Glasner Out

[barrie2301]

I remember how he behaved when he was manager of Frankfurt. He was a gentleman in his first year, but suddenly became aggressive in his second year.

His repeatedly expressed his anger with outbursts in the press conferences following matches vs Union Berlin, Bayer Leverkusen, Borussia Dortmund,Hoffenheim.After losing 4-0 to Dortmund, he said, "Dortmund brings on Niklas Süle, we bring on Dario Gebuhr."
He was 20 years old

He would say things like, "We don't have any players we can substitute," and "The reason the players are tired is because the front office isn't making any reinforcements," and he claimed he was fighting against the front office to protect the players.Because of this, he was strongly supported by the key players.

That was that kids debut for Frankfurt too, and all his talk about protecting the players/young players..


It seems like this is his 'go to' when things get tough and he needs an excuse to cover bad results.

 

[Lanzo-Ad]

So far as I can tell, all Glasner is really guilty of is letting his emotions get the better of him, leading to some petulant behaviour and ill-advised post-match comments. It's not ideal at a time when the fans are reeling, but I think people are getting a bit carried away with the pile-on. We've had managers like Pulis and Dowie who properly screwed us. When everything calms down, I imagine the assessment will be that the club messed up its transfer business this year and could have handled sales better, and Glasner should have at least given some of the subs and youth players more chance.

If we don't win the Conference League then I think both parties will have to accept some of the blame. I still hold out some hope that relationships can be smoothed over and somehow Glasner can finish the season on a high, but in honesty, his comments on Saturday surely make that almost impossible.

You could be right, i know what is going on in Parishs head, finance all the way, but i have know idea whatsoever what is going on in Glasners head, maybe it is anger, maybe it is cynical, past events seems to point to the second option, but i really am not sure.

 

[PatrickA]

Elite managers have different ways of dealing with defeats.
Some hit out at officials and refeeres, some hit out at the opposition's tactics, some hit out at the authorities and schedules.

What they all have in common is that they are terrible losers.

Glasner deals with it by hitting out at the owners of his clubs, and has previous on this at his other clubs too.

In Palace's case, unlike many others on here, I think there is a kernel of validity in his criticisms .
Nonetheless, he doesn't always help his case when he issues contradictory statements.
For example, previously he has said he accepts responsibility for not pushing harder for more players as he had misunderstood the demands of the busy schedule.
He has also indicated a preference for working with small squads.
This was all fine and dandy in the early months of the season when on our unbeaten run, but not when the squad is decimated and we can't get a result which is where we are now.

A clearer view will emerge when players return from injury/absence and whether there is a return to form.

 

[park the bus]

Elite managers have different ways of dealing with defeats.
Some hit out at officials and refeeres, some hit out at the opposition's tactics, some hit out at the authorities and schedules.

What they all have in common is that they are terrible losers.

Glasner deals with it by hitting out at the owners of his clubs, and has previous on this at his other clubs too.

In Palace's case, unlike many others on here, I think there is a kernel of validity in his criticisms .
Nonetheless, he doesn't always help his case when he issues contradictory statements.
For example, previously he has said he accepts responsibility for not pushing harder for more players as he had misunderstood the demands of the busy schedule.
He has also indicated a preference for working with small squads.
This was all fine and dandy in the early months of the season when on our unbeaten run, but not when the squad is decimated and we can't get a result which is where we are now.

A clearer view will emerge when players return from injury/absence and whether there is a return to form.

He trumpets whatever he thinks will get him through, there's no acknowledgement of the contradictory nature of the statements. I have known and worked with people like this and what starts off rosy after a while falls apart, and it becomes impossible to sustain the falsehood. The damage is done and the trust is broken.

 

[Frickin Saweet]

If Parish is trying to find a way to get to the end of the season with Glasner then fair play to him for taking a mature, measured response to an understandably emotional Glasner (a few bed wetter on here could take note). I don't undertand the whole 'sack him' mentality when someone loses control, especially one who's brought us so much success. As long as Glasner has the players onside it's the best option. It's also an opportunity for Parish to react and show the next manager that there is a plan here and there is a pipeline of talent to fill the voids left by our departing players, and that we are seeking more than staying up each year. I just hope that last part is true!

 

[TheBigToePunt]

Warning - total speculation follows

Perhaps during the meeting with the club yesterday Oliver was gently walked through the terms of his contract and what the non-disparagement terms mean and how he could be in considered in breach of them and therefore his contract and if a ruling went against him exactly how expensive that might be for him? Maybe a suggestion of having a chat with Tony Pulis was floated? Who knows, a reminder if he is so unhappy he could simply resign? Though of course he wouldn't be due any compensation under that scenario.

To wrap things up a suggestion that maybe his best course of action would be to watch his mouth and do his job like a professional, pick up some points, win the conference league and leave with his held high and reputation enhanced.

As speculative as this is, it's far from impossible.

Plus, it would be one way of dealing with an important issue, which is what message is being sent from the club to the playing and coaching staff, both current and future, and very much including their agents?

On Saturday evening I suggested three broad options. 1. Glasner sacked, pay up to follow. 2. Glasner sacked for gross misconduct. Bollocks to your pay up, see you in court if you like. 3. Glasner told to shut his mouth and do his job, for which he is handsomely recompensed. The third seems best if it works, as the club will have more chance to hire their first choice manager in the summer than now. In order for it to work though, Glasner must be brought to heel, not simply out of pride on Parish part, but to maintain the proper running of the club now and in future. The approach you outline would do that.

Up until post match on Saturday I remained content with Glasner. If he felt a settled XI and familiar system held more benefit overall than rotating and flexibility then that was his decision to take, and not one that was obviously wrong. I still think that. It's all been trumped though by the greater importance of maintaining unity, which is the key ingredient in everything good that has happened in the last 15 years.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

He trumpets whatever he thinks will get him through, there's no acknowledgement of the contradictory nature of the statements. I have known and worked with people like this and what starts off rosy after a while falls apart, and it becomes impossible to sustain the falsehood. The damage is done and the trust is broken.

Also makes you wonder what his reaction would be if one of his regular players started criticising him for his tactics and saying he's not good enough.
Regardless it's a bad look for a club who should pulling together to present an allied front.

 

[Skip]

Nealy two days after his post match comments and I am still fuming with Glasner. Are we now at the point where he's going to go into games and deliberately not make changes to prove his point. I agree he didn't have a lot of options available to him on Saturday, but what's the point in Uche continuing his spell with us when he can't get on the pitch when we're losing 2-1 ? He also would have sanctioned Esse's loan to Coventry which doesn't make sense when our options are so limited. He's frozen players out that he signed and then moans that he's having to use the same 12-13 players.

I don't believe for one minute that he didn't know Guehi was going to Man City until Friday. It suits his own agenda to quote that, but he's the only person connected with the club that fails to see it makes sense even if the timing wasn't perfect.

I don't think the board are guilty of not spending money. I think they've managed to waste ten's of millions on players that just don't fit our system. We now find ourselves at a crossroads as further recruitment is required, but how do we attract the calibre of players required when the manager is going at the end of the season, and it would seem he'd like that to be sooner ?

It seems he has form for this behaviour. He's managed to completely sour the memories of the greatest spell in the club's history. I don't think the club have any choice but part company with him now before he does any more damage.

 

[Willo]

Nealy two days after his post match comments and I am still fuming with Glasner. Are we now at the point where he's going to go into games and deliberately not make changes to prove his point. I agree he didn't have a lot of options available to him on Saturday, but what's the point in Uche continuing his spell with us when he can't get on the pitch when we're losing 2-1 ? He also would have sanctioned Esse's loan to Coventry which doesn't make sense when our options are so limited. He's frozen players out that he signed and then moans that he's having to use the same 12-13 players.

I don't believe for one minute that he didn't know Guehi was going to Man City until Friday. It suits his own agenda to quote that, but he's the only person connected with the club that fails to see it makes sense even if the timing wasn't perfect.

I don't think the board are guilty of not spending money. I think they've managed to waste ten's of millions on players that just don't fit our system. We now find ourselves at a crossroads as further recruitment is required, but how do we attract the calibre of players required when the manager is going at the end of the season, and it would seem he'd like that to be sooner ?

It seems he has form for this behaviour. He's managed to completely sour the memories of the greatest spell in the club's history. I don't think the club have any choice but part company with him now before he does any more damage.

I can only speculate as I am not furnished with the salient facts.
I suspect that Glasner was aware of the prospective move of Guehi to Man C but what irked him was the fact that he was informed on Friday that he would be unavailable for the Sunderland game the following day. He was expecting Guehi to play then at the 11th hour was told he could not be included.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

I can only speculate as I am not furnished with the salient facts.
I suspect that Glasner was aware of the prospective move of Guehi to Man C but what irked him was the fact that he was informed on Friday that he would be unavailable for the Sunderland game the following day. He was expecting Guehi to play then at the 11th hour was told he could not be included.

Of course that's possible but players get injured in the warm up too. Managers are paid to work around these problems or at least have some sort contingency plans in place.

 

[Faz]

That's for surfacing the quotes, certainly feels familiar!

You do wonder what players like Uche think hearing that there is nothing on the bench.

The guys on the bench will certainly have been feeling “ why am I here I don’t want to be here anymore “

Will anyone of them say “ Thanks Boss we heard what you said over last 6 weeks to press , we saw your polar opposite interview with BBC which frankly is now bollocks talk”

“ Boss you know what go to your new challenge F off cos you are saying we are not worthy of you , that trying to get 10 wins in a row is not a challenge, to win Conf is not a challenge, so what is then ,explain it to us “ ?

I think OG is damaged goods as he didn’t read the Parish MO from previous coaches or Parish promised but didn’t deliver.I think Parish is slightly perturbed because he didn’t read OG MO from previous.

Find the relationship's in the Club are now on a few strands left - see what happens this week & sundays game atmosphere

 

[MrRobbo]

Of course that's possible but players get injured in the warm up too. Managers are paid to work around these problems or at least have some sort contingency plans in place.

Of course, and lets be honest, he has Canvot and Lerma. Both have played a decent amount in this system.

He moaned about Eze too, but from memory Eze called Glasner and told him he wasn't playing that evening.

 

[ASCPFC]

There should have already been an announcement. No way Glasner's position is tenable whatsoever.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

There should have already been an announcement. No way Glasner's position is tenable whatsoever.

Never mind untenable - the way he's doing he'll need Tena pads.

 

[Palacesince64]

We can debate whether Parish is at fault for lack of signings and selling players or Glasner is at fault for not giving certain players a chance but we can all agree that Glasner’s behaviour the other day was not normal. There’s definitely a pattern to his behaviour when he is upset after losing a match. His rant’s demonstrate a loss of control over his emotions.
As someone who worked in brain rehabilitation and regularly dealt with patients who had suffered significant brain injuries it’s a behaviour I’ve seen many times before. Perhaps I’m wide of the mark and he’s just an arrogant pr*ck like Lanzo says, but I do find myself wondering if his extreme behaviour is a consequence of the serious brain injury he sustained which ended his playing career. It’s been a recurring theme throughout his managerial career. It’s fairly typical of patients who have sustained head injuries. We all are capable of extreme or inappropriate behaviour when upset but our frontal lobes kick in and prevent us from saying and doing things we might later regret. Brain injuries of the sort he sustained impact the frontal lobes more than anything and impair our ability to apply the brakes. The impact can be lifelong and significantly harm relationships at home and at work.
If my suspicion is correct then Glasner will be aware that he has this tendency and may even have discussed it with Parish who is a decent guy and will cut him some slack as he seems to have done. He’s lucky to have an understanding boss. Sadly that won’t always happen.

 

[Forest Hillbilly]

I think the Palace players are deliberately not scoring during games, (and if they do score, we end up losing) in order to accelerate a managerial solution.
Just a theory, but the facts give it credibility 👍
Just as much credibility, as all the other 65 pages of speculation 😁

 

[ASCPFC]

We can debate whether Parish is at fault for lack of signings and selling players or Glasner is at fault for not giving certain players a chance but we can all agree that Glasner’s behaviour the other day was not normal. There’s definitely a pattern to his behaviour when he is upset after losing a match. His rant’s demonstrate a loss of control over his emotions.
As someone who worked in brain rehabilitation and regularly dealt with patients who had suffered significant brain injuries it’s a behaviour I’ve seen many times before. Perhaps I’m wide of the mark and he’s just an arrogant pr*ck like Lanzo says, but I do find myself wondering if his extreme behaviour is a consequence of the serious brain injury he sustained which ended his playing career. It’s been a recurring theme throughout his managerial career. It’s fairly typical of patients who have sustained head injuries. We all are capable of extreme or inappropriate behaviour when upset but our frontal lobes kick in and prevent us from saying and doing things we might later regret. Brain injuries of the sort he sustained impact the frontal lobes more than anything and impair our ability to apply the brakes. The impact can be lifelong and significantly harm relationships at home and at work.
If my suspicion is correct then Glasner will be aware that he has this tendency and may even have discussed it with Parish who is a decent guy and will cut him some slack as he seems to have done. He’s lucky to have an understanding boss. Sadly that won’t always happen.

Interesting point. I have a friend who had a massive brain injury and he's never been the same. Can be incredibly angry sometimes. Would never have thought about it with Glasner. Does put a different angle on it.

 

[eaglesdare]

Did anyone else catch glasner referring to himself in the third person?

 

[Teddy Eagle]

We can debate whether Parish is at fault for lack of signings and selling players or Glasner is at fault for not giving certain players a chance but we can all agree that Glasner’s behaviour the other day was not normal. There’s definitely a pattern to his behaviour when he is upset after losing a match. His rant’s demonstrate a loss of control over his emotions.
As someone who worked in brain rehabilitation and regularly dealt with patients who had suffered significant brain injuries it’s a behaviour I’ve seen many times before. Perhaps I’m wide of the mark and he’s just an arrogant pr*ck like Lanzo says, but I do find myself wondering if his extreme behaviour is a consequence of the serious brain injury he sustained which ended his playing career. It’s been a recurring theme throughout his managerial career. It’s fairly typical of patients who have sustained head injuries. We all are capable of extreme or inappropriate behaviour when upset but our frontal lobes kick in and prevent us from saying and doing things we might later regret. Brain injuries of the sort he sustained impact the frontal lobes more than anything and impair our ability to apply the brakes. The impact can be lifelong and significantly harm relationships at home and at work.
If my suspicion is correct then Glasner will be aware that he has this tendency and may even have discussed it with Parish who is a decent guy and will cut him some slack as he seems to have done. He’s lucky to have an understanding boss. Sadly that won’t always happen.

That's an interesting take on it and does seem possible.

 

[CrazyBadger]

Not sure I'm bringing anything new to this debate, but I would just like to express my frustration/anger/astonishment surrounding this soar opera.

For me, OG has lost the plot. He seemingly has no concept of working with a club like ours, only with and for himself. No idea that from time to time we have to sell players, and sometimes they're gonna be from the 1st team. We've sold Eze and Guehi(almost) - 2 players that everyone knew were going to leave, we've bought in replacements in Pino, Johnson & Canvot, and as well have promising young talents like Drakes-Thomas, and a few others that don't even get considered even when on the bench.

His handling of the subs this weekend was appauling. 2nd half we were poor, yet still stuck resolutely, and looked at the bench and saw no solutions. That's not a manager. Even the worst managers roll the dice occasionally.

He is prioritising his situation above the the clubs, and placing making his point above the needs of the team; rather than try everything he can to win a game, he'd rather sit on his stubborn a*se and make his point. And I cannot see it changing.

Thanks for last year OG, it was truly amazing but your behaviour this past month has not even been close to what is required of a football manager at our club. Sort it out or get out, and allow us to get someone in who actually want to work with us.