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Badadmcmad said:
Dare I post another Owen Jones report on this attack. Yeah because he presents an argument based strongly on evidence:


Reading the mental gymnastics going on by many in this thread to also try to fit their bigoted and prejudice narrative to the story as more and more facts come to light that directly contradict them, would be hilarious if we weren't talking about potential mass murder.

While we have disagreements, at least you have the integrity to admit when your knee-jerk reaction might be wrong. More than can be said for others.
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Who is right or wrong. The German authorities are giving very little information at the present time so I’m not sure where Jones is getting is information from. Is it possible he has established a social media profile to avoid extradition to Saudi? Yes, anything is possible, is it established no. Is it possible that a Muslim now claims to be anti Muslim ( many claim to convert to Christianity….fact) to avoid being returned to country of origin, yes it is possible.
Maybe the truth will come out, one way or the other but personally I’m not holding my breath
 
georgenorman said:
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...things we should take at face value...

Says the guy who took one look at the face of the alleged perpetrator and made the argument that because he was from an Islamic country originally, it means he's really and Islamist jihadist, despite all the evidence to the contrary.

Being born in a country does not mean you have to adopt or follow its religious beliefs.

Damn this guy is a moron.
 
Badadmcmad said:
...things we should take at face value...

Says the guy who took one look at the face of the alleged perpetrator and made the argument that because he was from an Islamic country originally, it means he's really and Islamist jihadist, despite all the evidence to the contrary.

Being born in a country does not mean you have to adopt or follow its religious beliefs.

Damn this guy is a moron.
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Must be why pubs in Saudi Arabia do such roaring business.
 
Teddy Eagle said:
Must be why pubs in Saudi Arabia do such roaring business.
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Just suspend common sense at all for a moment and realise that when you are anti Muslim you drive into a Christian market at a time near a Christian festival. Killing people who are there.
No doubt, because it was just there and the mosque was all of a two minute drive away.

And believe me, being Saudi opposition means you're a tree hugging Christian who hates Muslims. There is no Saudi opposition that believes Saudi is becoming too westernized.

And when you light some candles with a cigarette lighter then there is no gas involved. It's magic.
 
Spiderman said:
Who is right or wrong. The German authorities are giving very little information at the present time so I’m not sure where Jones is getting is information from. Is it possible he has established a social media profile to avoid extradition to Saudi? Yes, anything is possible, is it established no. Is it possible that a Muslim now claims to be anti Muslim ( many claim to convert to Christianity….fact) to avoid being returned to country of origin, yes it is possible.
Maybe the truth will come out, one way or the other but personally I’m not holding my breath
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He shows where he is getting his information from... numerous clips are taken from Twitter/X and other social media. The BBC website have reposted their interview with the suspect, but there is no mention of his pro-Israel views that Jones also highlights.

Geert Wilters is a far right politician who was very much anti-Islam when Maccabi fans brought violence and racist chants to his city.

German authorities have in the recent past (not got time to find the speeches now) reiterated Germany's responsibility to israel stemming from its guilt for the war. i mentioned on another thread about how Berlin authorities raided a pro-Palestinian conference including effectively banning Yanis Varoufakis from entering the country.

What with the same rhetoric being peddled by other far right figures including JD Vance, Nigel Farage, Andrew Neal etc, I strongly doubt this is mere coincidence. Especially when you understand Nigel Farage's associations with far right European and US political groups, there is most certainly a whiff of coordination at least regarding jumping on the narrative.

Of course, there is a strong motive to keep anti-Islamic sentiment front and centre in everyday discourse.

Ilan Pape, a long and well established Jewish academic touches on how the pro-Israel lobby has worked its way into the mainstream media.

 
The suspects social media is a mess of ideological positions on purpose. It was pretty much a Islamist terror attack. As much as the Fake media will tell you he supported Afd, musk, trump and other "right wing" ideas.
 
Taqiyya
This is a principle that allows or requires deception in certain situations. It is based on Quranic terminology and is accepted in both Shi'i and Sunni Islam. Scholars generally agree that taqiyya is acceptable when dealing with non-Muslims or when under compulsion. Shia jurists may also allow taqiyya in interactions with Muslims...


One of the MANY reasons why Islam is not compatible with the West in anyway/shape or form. The religion tells them they can lie to non-believers.
 
Badadmcmad said:
...things we should take at face value...

Says the guy who took one look at the face of the alleged perpetrator and made the argument that because he was from an Islamic country originally, it means he's really and Islamist jihadist, despite all the evidence to the contrary.

Being born in a country does not mean you have to adopt or follow its religious beliefs.

Damn this guy is a moron.
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Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. [Matthew 7:15-16]
 
Badadmcmad said:
He shows where he is getting his information from... numerous clips are taken from Twitter/X and other social media. The BBC website have reposted their interview with the suspect, but there is no mention of his pro-Israel views that Jones also highlights.

Geert Wilters is a far right politician who was very much anti-Islam when Maccabi fans brought violence and racist chants to his city.

German authorities have in the recent past (not got time to find the speeches now) reiterated Germany's responsibility to israel stemming from its guilt for the war. i mentioned on another thread about how Berlin authorities raided a pro-Palestinian conference including effectively banning Yanis Varoufakis from entering the country.

What with the same rhetoric being peddled by other far right figures including JD Vance, Nigel Farage, Andrew Neal etc, I strongly doubt this is mere coincidence. Especially when you understand Nigel Farage's associations with far right European and US political groups, there is most certainly a whiff of coordination at least regarding jumping on the narrative.

Of course, there is a strong motive to keep anti-Islamic sentiment front and centre in everyday discourse.

Ilan Pape, a long and well established Jewish academic touches on how the pro-Israel lobby has worked its way into the mainstream media.

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I think your observation on the Israeli lobby's self interest and motives is a fair criticism to make. I've made several criticisms myself of foreign lobbies, and of those lobbies the Israeli one is by far the most powerful. For example, I consider the building of a Holocaust museum outside parliament to be an insult as this crime had nothing to do with Britain and though I recognise this tragedy we never fought WW2 over his death camps. Hitler killed far more slavs than Jews.....are we going to build a museum for them? I highly doubt it.

Is it wrong for them to highlight the negative contribution Islam makes to Europe though? No, on that I think they only speak the truth......However for me, that does not translate into agreeing with levelling civilians in Gaza.

I like the fact that you highlight the reality that prominent Jews have also spoken out against what is happening in Israel as I think that's an important balance to have because as we can all be guilty of lumping everyone from a demographic into the same ideological camp.

However I will make the point that the idea that JD Vance or Nigel Farage are 'far right' (I don't know who Andrew Neal is...do you mean Andrew Neil?).....indeed, I had a little laugh at this. Anyone who actually knows what the 'far right' think of Vance (mixed race family) and Farage (Thatcherite and Islamic chairman) would know that they most definitely aren't under the same label.

They may be 'far right' to someone with your perspective but in reality they are civic nationalists and that's a significant difference from the 'far right'. It's like calling Blair a socialist because he's in the Labour party.
 
Badadmcmad said:
He shows where he is getting his information from... numerous clips are taken from Twitter/X and other social media. The BBC website have reposted their interview with the suspect, but there is no mention of his pro-Israel views that Jones also highlights.

Geert Wilters is a far right politician who was very much anti-Islam when Maccabi fans brought violence and racist chants to his city.

German authorities have in the recent past (not got time to find the speeches now) reiterated Germany's responsibility to israel stemming from its guilt for the war. i mentioned on another thread about how Berlin authorities raided a pro-Palestinian conference including effectively banning Yanis Varoufakis from entering the country.

What with the same rhetoric being peddled by other far right figures including JD Vance, Nigel Farage, Andrew Neal etc, I strongly doubt this is mere coincidence. Especially when you understand Nigel Farage's associations with far right European and US political groups, there is most certainly a whiff of coordination at least regarding jumping on the narrative.

Of course, there is a strong motive to keep anti-Islamic sentiment front and centre in everyday discourse.

Ilan Pape, a long and well established Jewish academic touches on how the pro-Israel lobby has worked its way into the mainstream media.

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Isn’t it funny how, when Owen Jones takes information from Twitter/X and social media it must be true. When right wingers do the same…..? As I have said before NO ONE knows the full details about this
 
Badadmcmad said:
Dare I post another Owen Jones report on this attack. Yeah because he presents an argument based strongly on evidence:


Reading the mental gymnastics going on by many in this thread to also try to fit their bigoted and prejudice narrative to the story as more and more facts come to light that directly contradict them, would be hilarious if we weren't talking about potential mass murder.

While we have disagreements, at least you have the integrity to admit when your knee-jerk reaction might be wrong. More than can be said for others.
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All of us will be wrong about something, it's a statistical near certainty.

On this matter I've just stepped back from an opinion on what's going on because it doesn't really make sense. You can criticise people here but it could also be said that they are simply judging someone by their actions rather than their comments.....actions speak louder than words, so to speak.

I haven't watched the Owen Jones video and as he's a neo commie I have no desire to. The guy would gladly have the likes of me imprisoned or worse so he can go pleasure himself with.....no doubt one of the many implements he owns.
 
Badadmcmad said:
He shows where he is getting his information from... numerous clips are taken from Twitter/X and other social media. The BBC website have reposted their interview with the suspect, but there is no mention of his pro-Israel views that Jones also highlights.

Geert Wilters is a far right politician who was very much anti-Islam when Maccabi fans brought violence and racist chants to his city.

German authorities have in the recent past (not got time to find the speeches now) reiterated Germany's responsibility to israel stemming from its guilt for the war. i mentioned on another thread about how Berlin authorities raided a pro-Palestinian conference including effectively banning Yanis Varoufakis from entering the country.

What with the same rhetoric being peddled by other far right figures including JD Vance, Nigel Farage, Andrew Neal etc, I strongly doubt this is mere coincidence. Especially when you understand Nigel Farage's associations with far right European and US political groups, there is most certainly a whiff of coordination at least regarding jumping on the narrative.

Of course, there is a strong motive to keep anti-Islamic sentiment front and centre in everyday discourse.

Ilan Pape, a long and well established Jewish academic touches on how the pro-Israel lobby has worked its way into the mainstream media.

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Some of your comments are right, in that we need to ask questions about what is really going on here in light of the subsequent information about the perpetrator of this attack. Sadly what lets you down is your dismissal of Andrew Neill and Nigel Farage as "far right". They are right of centre, and no more "far right" than Keir Starmer is far left (read communist for that). What is also inescapable is that once again the perpetrator of mass murder in Europe is a 1st generation immigrant. Unpalatable as it is to some people, almost all terrorist murders in Europe since 2001 have been carried out by relatively recent immigrants. Of course it doesn't mean that all immigrants are potential murderers, but it does surely mean that our governments need to prioritise proper control over immigration, and ensure that the values which created Western democracies are properly protected (ie freedom of thought, tolerance and democracy).
 
Matov said:
Taqiyya
This is a principle that allows or requires deception in certain situations.
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Enlighten us.
Would that involve a fella living in, say Reykjavic Iceland , and being all nice and agreeable ? With mild moderate views and opinions ? And tolerant of the local gay community ? Relaxed about alcohol and ladies bathing at the hot springs in skimpy outfits.

Whereas the very same fella could live in, say ISIS controlled Raqqa, and behave like the fellas in the link below ?

or is there another interpretation of Taqiyya ?

www.nbcnews.com

ISIS Hurls Gay Men Off Buildings, Stones Them: Analysts

The horrific execution tactic is the latest in a string of brutal punishment methods applied by ISIS under its strict interpretation of Islamic — or shariah — law.
www.nbcnews.com www.nbcnews.com
 
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Badadmcmad said:
...things we should take at face value...

Says the guy who took one look at the face of the alleged perpetrator and made the argument that because he was from an Islamic country originally, it means he's really and Islamist jihadist, despite all the evidence to the contrary.

Being born in a country does not mean you have to adopt or follow its religious beliefs.

Damn this guy is a moron.
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You would know
 
PalazioVecchio said:
Enlighten us.
Would that involve a fella living in, say Reykjavic Iceland , and being all nice and agreeable ? With mild moderate views and opinions ? And tolerant of the local gay community ? Relaxed about alcohol and ladies bathing at the hot springs in skimpy outfits.

Whereas the very same fella could live in, say ISIS controlled Raqqa, and behave like the fellas in the link below ?

or is there another interpretation of Taqiyya ?

www.nbcnews.com

ISIS Hurls Gay Men Off Buildings, Stones Them: Analysts

The horrific execution tactic is the latest in a string of brutal punishment methods applied by ISIS under its strict interpretation of Islamic — or shariah — law.
www.nbcnews.com www.nbcnews.com
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Seems pretty spot on to me.
 
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