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There is a video of him shouting it while being arrested. I'm sure you can find it on X.Where did you read/hear that he was shouting allah akbar ?
There is a video of him shouting it while being arrested. I'm sure you can find it on X.Where did you read/hear that he was shouting allah akbar ?
Cheers 👍There is a video of him shouting it while being arrested. I'm sure you can find it on X.
Who is right or wrong. The German authorities are giving very little information at the present time so I’m not sure where Jones is getting is information from. Is it possible he has established a social media profile to avoid extradition to Saudi? Yes, anything is possible, is it established no. Is it possible that a Muslim now claims to be anti Muslim ( many claim to convert to Christianity….fact) to avoid being returned to country of origin, yes it is possible.Dare I post another Owen Jones report on this attack. Yeah because he presents an argument based strongly on evidence:
Reading the mental gymnastics going on by many in this thread to also try to fit their bigoted and prejudice narrative to the story as more and more facts come to light that directly contradict them, would be hilarious if we weren't talking about potential mass murder.
While we have disagreements, at least you have the integrity to admit when your knee-jerk reaction might be wrong. More than can be said for others.
Must be why pubs in Saudi Arabia do such roaring business....things we should take at face value...
Says the guy who took one look at the face of the alleged perpetrator and made the argument that because he was from an Islamic country originally, it means he's really and Islamist jihadist, despite all the evidence to the contrary.
Being born in a country does not mean you have to adopt or follow its religious beliefs.
Damn this guy is a moron.
Just suspend common sense at all for a moment and realise that when you are anti Muslim you drive into a Christian market at a time near a Christian festival. Killing people who are there.Must be why pubs in Saudi Arabia do such roaring business.
Who is right or wrong. The German authorities are giving very little information at the present time so I’m not sure where Jones is getting is information from. Is it possible he has established a social media profile to avoid extradition to Saudi? Yes, anything is possible, is it established no. Is it possible that a Muslim now claims to be anti Muslim ( many claim to convert to Christianity….fact) to avoid being returned to country of origin, yes it is possible.
Maybe the truth will come out, one way or the other but personally I’m not holding my breath
Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. [Matthew 7:15-16]...things we should take at face value...
Says the guy who took one look at the face of the alleged perpetrator and made the argument that because he was from an Islamic country originally, it means he's really and Islamist jihadist, despite all the evidence to the contrary.
Being born in a country does not mean you have to adopt or follow its religious beliefs.
Damn this guy is a moron.
He shows where he is getting his information from... numerous clips are taken from Twitter/X and other social media. The BBC website have reposted their interview with the suspect, but there is no mention of his pro-Israel views that Jones also highlights.
Geert Wilters is a far right politician who was very much anti-Islam when Maccabi fans brought violence and racist chants to his city.
German authorities have in the recent past (not got time to find the speeches now) reiterated Germany's responsibility to israel stemming from its guilt for the war. i mentioned on another thread about how Berlin authorities raided a pro-Palestinian conference including effectively banning Yanis Varoufakis from entering the country.
What with the same rhetoric being peddled by other far right figures including JD Vance, Nigel Farage, Andrew Neal etc, I strongly doubt this is mere coincidence. Especially when you understand Nigel Farage's associations with far right European and US political groups, there is most certainly a whiff of coordination at least regarding jumping on the narrative.
Of course, there is a strong motive to keep anti-Islamic sentiment front and centre in everyday discourse.
Ilan Pape, a long and well established Jewish academic touches on how the pro-Israel lobby has worked its way into the mainstream media.
Isn’t it funny how, when Owen Jones takes information from Twitter/X and social media it must be true. When right wingers do the same…..? As I have said before NO ONE knows the full details about thisHe shows where he is getting his information from... numerous clips are taken from Twitter/X and other social media. The BBC website have reposted their interview with the suspect, but there is no mention of his pro-Israel views that Jones also highlights.
Geert Wilters is a far right politician who was very much anti-Islam when Maccabi fans brought violence and racist chants to his city.
German authorities have in the recent past (not got time to find the speeches now) reiterated Germany's responsibility to israel stemming from its guilt for the war. i mentioned on another thread about how Berlin authorities raided a pro-Palestinian conference including effectively banning Yanis Varoufakis from entering the country.
What with the same rhetoric being peddled by other far right figures including JD Vance, Nigel Farage, Andrew Neal etc, I strongly doubt this is mere coincidence. Especially when you understand Nigel Farage's associations with far right European and US political groups, there is most certainly a whiff of coordination at least regarding jumping on the narrative.
Of course, there is a strong motive to keep anti-Islamic sentiment front and centre in everyday discourse.
Ilan Pape, a long and well established Jewish academic touches on how the pro-Israel lobby has worked its way into the mainstream media.
Dare I post another Owen Jones report on this attack. Yeah because he presents an argument based strongly on evidence:
Reading the mental gymnastics going on by many in this thread to also try to fit their bigoted and prejudice narrative to the story as more and more facts come to light that directly contradict them, would be hilarious if we weren't talking about potential mass murder.
While we have disagreements, at least you have the integrity to admit when your knee-jerk reaction might be wrong. More than can be said for others.
Some of your comments are right, in that we need to ask questions about what is really going on here in light of the subsequent information about the perpetrator of this attack. Sadly what lets you down is your dismissal of Andrew Neill and Nigel Farage as "far right". They are right of centre, and no more "far right" than Keir Starmer is far left (read communist for that). What is also inescapable is that once again the perpetrator of mass murder in Europe is a 1st generation immigrant. Unpalatable as it is to some people, almost all terrorist murders in Europe since 2001 have been carried out by relatively recent immigrants. Of course it doesn't mean that all immigrants are potential murderers, but it does surely mean that our governments need to prioritise proper control over immigration, and ensure that the values which created Western democracies are properly protected (ie freedom of thought, tolerance and democracy).He shows where he is getting his information from... numerous clips are taken from Twitter/X and other social media. The BBC website have reposted their interview with the suspect, but there is no mention of his pro-Israel views that Jones also highlights.
Geert Wilters is a far right politician who was very much anti-Islam when Maccabi fans brought violence and racist chants to his city.
German authorities have in the recent past (not got time to find the speeches now) reiterated Germany's responsibility to israel stemming from its guilt for the war. i mentioned on another thread about how Berlin authorities raided a pro-Palestinian conference including effectively banning Yanis Varoufakis from entering the country.
What with the same rhetoric being peddled by other far right figures including JD Vance, Nigel Farage, Andrew Neal etc, I strongly doubt this is mere coincidence. Especially when you understand Nigel Farage's associations with far right European and US political groups, there is most certainly a whiff of coordination at least regarding jumping on the narrative.
Of course, there is a strong motive to keep anti-Islamic sentiment front and centre in everyday discourse.
Ilan Pape, a long and well established Jewish academic touches on how the pro-Israel lobby has worked its way into the mainstream media.
This is the most important factor here. Five people killed including this young boy and 200+ injured. Who cares about the religious or political affiliation of the person responsible.Nine-year-old boy killed in German Christmas market attack named as Andre Gleissner
He was one of at least five people who died, while more than 200 others were injured in Magdeburg.news.sky.com
Taqiyya
This is a principle that allows or requires deception in certain situations.
You would know...things we should take at face value...
Says the guy who took one look at the face of the alleged perpetrator and made the argument that because he was from an Islamic country originally, it means he's really and Islamist jihadist, despite all the evidence to the contrary.
Being born in a country does not mean you have to adopt or follow its religious beliefs.
Damn this guy is a moron.
Enlighten us.
Would that involve a fella living in, say Reykjavic Iceland , and being all nice and agreeable ? With mild moderate views and opinions ? And tolerant of the local gay community ? Relaxed about alcohol and ladies bathing at the hot springs in skimpy outfits.
Whereas the very same fella could live in, say ISIS controlled Raqqa, and behave like the fellas in the link below ?
or is there another interpretation of Taqiyya ?
ISIS Hurls Gay Men Off Buildings, Stones Them: Analysts
The horrific execution tactic is the latest in a string of brutal punishment methods applied by ISIS under its strict interpretation of Islamic — or shariah — law.www.nbcnews.com