Farage faces standards probe into £5m gift

[Stirlingsays]

I think plenty of the criticism of Corbyn was reasonable at it's base, but the campaign against him clearly went well beyond that - if Farage was held to even 50% of that type of scrutiny...

If there were multiple accusations of Corybn hissing at Jewish people and chanting antisemitic songs, I would consider criticism of that behaviour perfectly reasonable... but when it's Farage we have to pretend it's not.

It was worse than accusations we have actual proof of actions that Corbyn took.....as a fully matured adult employed as an MP.

The hearsay accusations against Farage are while he was a teenager.

Corbyn associated with Hamas representatives and others at actual events.....the pictures exist.

These aren't event pictures where he's pictured with someone he doesn't know.....it fits exactly with his Gerry Adams actions. He supports, to some level, terrorist organisations that fit his political alignment.

He wrote a foreword to a book deemed anti semitic.

As I said, I viewed what went on against Corbyn as OTT....at least the extent of it...Lying about people is commonplace in the media. And it's yet another example of power distorting the truth.

However, you have yourself demonstrated that you are part of that for narratives that fit your biases, when the evidence for them is weak. Yet but are willing to criticise those narratives that go too far, if they fit your own biases.

You are the pot calling the kettle black.

 

[CPFCSaturn]

It was worse than accusations we have actual proof of actions that Corbyn took.....as a fully matured adult employed as an MP.

The hearsay accusations against Farage are while he was a teenager.

Corbyn associated with Hamas representatives and others at actual events.....the pictures exist.

These aren't event pictures where he's pictured with someone he doesn't know.....it fits exactly with his Gerry Adams actions. He supports, to some level, terrorist organisations that fit his political alignment.

He wrote a foreword to a book deemed anti semitic.

As I said, I viewed what went on against Corbyn as OTT....at least the extent of it...Lying about people is commonplace in the media. And it's yet another example of power distorting the truth.

However, you have yourself demonstrated that you are part of that for narratives that fit your biases, when the evidence for them is weak. Yet but are willing to criticise those narratives that go too far, if they fit your own biases.

You are the pot calling the kettle black.

No, you're just conflating a load of wildly different things and presenting them as the same. Let's not for a second pretend that Corbyn and Farage have ever been held to anything like the same standards by the media.

In relation to antisemitism, the evidence against Farage isn't at all weak - it's multiple, consistent allegations, all underpinned by a letter written over 40 years ago. There's not really any serious suggestion that this stuff didn't happen, even from Farage. The argument is just that he was apparently too young to know any better.

You seem to have really convinced yourself of your own objectivity, and as I said above, I'd suggest some major self-reflection on that.

 

[Stirlingsays]

Farage hasn't offered a new explanation for why a foreign based billionaire felt impassioned to gift him more money than most people will earn in their lifetime - I'm sure you're not naive enough to think people pay out money like that for nothing.

Again, at a time where he was around 10 to 12 percent in the polls.....Not a 'likely PM'.

According to Grok the five million was:

'Initially described as for personal/security reasons; Farage later called it a "reward" for his Brexit campaigning. Harborne has echoed similar sentiments.'

So no real back tracking but an expansion.

Again, not an MP at the time, nothing illegal.

Farage claimed he bought the house, and it turned out he hadn't, so it's very much his actions. How do you think Farage's wife had £800k cash to purchase a house..?

If something is illegal here.....which I suspect there isn't.....then I expect his many enemies will ensure action is taken.

The fact that nothing has happened doesn't speak well to the accusation.

Again, Rayner, still an MP and probably going to be challenging to be MP.

So just more pointless whining from you.

Challenging the conversational use of the word 'everyone' ffs - that's really weak, but you're clearly scratching around here.

Oh it was 'conversational'? Please, use words you mean so that you can be judged on your words.....Being nebulous means you can't be taken seriously.

Do you want to be taken seriously or not?

If you're suggesting you're someone who doesn't let bias override objectivity... I'd suggest some serious self reflection champ. You're here arguing that politicians pocketing £5m gifts is nothing to worry about - a truly absurd position.

What should I be worried about?

There would be revelance if Farage had power and he did this guy favours.

If that happens when Farage has power then you have a case.

However, as he was about as popular as Polanski at the time and about as likely to gain power....you don't.....but maybe the future will show different.....It shouldn't be prejudged.

Yes I am reasonable objective.....far more than you have demonstrated anyway.

I've never been on the BBS.

Fair enough, if that's true I take it back.

 

[Stirlingsays]

No, you're just conflating a load of wildly different things and presenting them as the same. Let's not for a second pretend that Corbyn and Farage have ever been held to anything like the same standards by the media.

In relation to antisemitism, the evidence against Farage isn't at all weak - it's multiple, consistent allegations, all underpinned by a letter written over 40 years ago. There's not really any serious suggestion that this stuff didn't happen, even from Farage. The argument is just that he was apparently too young to know any better.

Even if true...and I suspect it's amplified as no official sanction was taken against Farage.

He was a teenager.

Again, Starmer joined a communist organisation while at university and now is the PM of a capitalist country.

Communists murdered hundreds of millions of people.

You seem to have really convinced yourself of your own objectivity, and as I said above, I'd suggest some major self-reflection on that.

Coming from you, I'll take a pass, thank you.

If someone actually objective said that, I'd look into it.

 

[CPFCSaturn]

Again, at a time where he was around 10 to 12 percent in the polls.....Not a 'likely PM'.

According to Grok the five million was:

'Initially described as for personal/security reasons; Farage later called it a "reward" for his Brexit campaigning. Harborne has echoed similar sentiments.'

So no real back tracking but an expansion.

Again, not an MP at the time, nothing illegal.




If something is illegal here.....which I suspect there isn't.....then I expect his many enemies will ensure action is taken.

The fact that nothing has happened doesn't speak well to the accusation.

Again, Rayner, still an MP and probably going to be challenging to be MP.

So just more pointless whining from you.



Oh it was 'conversational'? Please, use words you mean so that you can be judged on your words.....Being nebulous means you can't be taken seriously.

Do you want to be taken seriously or not?



What should I be worried about?

There would be revelance if Farage had power and he did this guy favours.

If that happens when Farage has power then you have a case.

However, as he was about as popular as Polanski at the time and about as likely to gain power....you don't.....but maybe the future will show different.....It shouldn't be prejudged.

Yes I am reasonable objective.....far more than you have demonstrated anyway.




Fair enough, if that's true I take it back.

"No real backtracking", just a completely new and separate explanation after the first one was disbelieved... Mr. Objective over here.

Why do you think an overseas billionaire would want to gift millions of pounds to a politician? Objectively, obviously... just speculate on it.

I don't care if it's illegal, that's never been my argument - the idea that major British politicians accepting multi million pounds gifts from overseas billionaires is nothing to be concerned about is absolute lunacy. You've raised the bar to illegality because obviously it's indefensible morally or logically - illegal was never my argument.

You're also talking about Rayner still being an MP, which is another bar you've introduced out of nowhere - I've never made an argument that Farage shouldn't be an MP. The discussion was about media reaction to the two cases. Rayner got crucified. Farage got a free pass.

But of course, these are all really objective takes.

Are you really pretending the use of 'everyone' in a conversational sense has to literally mean every person..? Talk about desperate 🤣