Had you been drinking when you posted this? Eze is a unique player with flaws but when he gets it right he can do things many can only dream of.
The flick for the assist is an example.
If we didn't have him we would have almost zero creativity
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Crystal Palace vs Tottenham match thread
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Had you been drinking when you posted this? Eze is a unique player with flaws but when he gets it right he can do things many can only dream of.
The flick for the assist is an example.
If we didn't have him we would have almost zero creativity
Have you seen W Hams penalty, the players clashed knees as they bumped into each other, no player or the crowd appealed for a penalty. Attention seeker Oliver on VAR asked Coote to check again, but as Oliver is more senior Coote bottled it and gave in. Shocking decision, it was never a clear and obvious error.
Come in Willo.
CT Charlie
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Olise's absence has hurt the team immensely up to this point. Four of last season's best players – JPP, Ebz, Munoz, and even Wharton – couldn't be as effective on the attack as they were when Olise was either attracting attention OR setting them up. (Wharton's beautiful through passes were easier when defenders had to shade towards Olise's side.) Olise's only weakness was his defending, in particular his pressing.
Sarr will not be a perfect replacement, but his pressing and pace are a step up from Olise. Now that OG has figured out our best personnel in the formation, we should be fine. My only worry is that Ebz will never feel the joy he did when his "brother" Olise was beside him. That seemed to be a special partnership on and off the pitch.
Sarr will not be a perfect replacement, but his pressing and pace are a step up from Olise. Now that OG has figured out our best personnel in the formation, we should be fine. My only worry is that Ebz will never feel the joy he did when his "brother" Olise was beside him. That seemed to be a special partnership on and off the pitch.
silvertop
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I defer to ASCPFC's post on this. Not only did it happen but they didn't even try to hide it.
Exactly. The game where they won the league, having been losing 1-0 on 90 minutes and scored the winner in about the 98th minute.
Willo
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As I have asserted several times on HOL, the concept of "Clear and obvious error" is open to interpretation and subjectivity.
We of course are not privy to information as to the decision making rationale concerning Messrs Coote and Oliver.
CrazyBadger
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The whole notion of VAR is undermined by the subjective concept of a 'Clear and Obvious Error'
Willo
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My comments on "Clear and Obvious Error" have been well documented on HOL.
In Pre-VAR days, the referee was castigated if it was deemed he committed a Faux Pas. Yes referees do err from time to time !
As we have witnessed at the weekend, the VAR has been criticised for recommending that the referee consult the monitor, and referee has been criticised for changing his decision accordingly TWO referees have been pilloried !!
NEILLO
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And in that case, rightly so !
It seems that the “junior” refs do not want to go against the “ senior” refs ie Oliver. This makes a mockery of the whole system
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That seems to be how it looks. As for THAT penalty, I'll wait for Mr Webb's comments in due course. Will he be brave enough to say one of his senior refs got it wrong on VAR.
Spot on. And blame for the way that "Clear and Obvious" has come to be a subjective concept is wholly down to the authorities. "Clear and obvious" means BLOODY OBVIOUS. I think it's right that there should be an off-pitch observer to pick up offsides and fouls that the referee and his assistants have missed, perhaps because they're unsighted. But if those offences are clear and obvious, there can be no justification for that observer telling the referee to go and watch it, or to spend upto 7 or 8 minutes repeatedly rewinding the incident. He should either tell the referee that he's missed something, or ask him to stop play while he (the observer) has a quick look at an incident. The whole process should be over within 60 seconds.
This is the issue with VAR. it works well for matters of fact like offside but much less so for subjective decisions. What it needs is a clear protocol. Cricket has this with DRS. Same steps each time, clearly explained by the 3rd umpire along with the concept of ‘umpire’s call’ which means very close decisions stay with whatever was adjudged on the field. I also like Rugby League where I think they have about a minute to see if they can see something on video replay that overturns the ref’s decision. If they can’t then the logic is it is marginal so should stay with the onfield decision.
Exactly. Why use current refs? Use recently retired ones, it's not as though they have to run around
I've been coming around to this point of view also. Eze needs to calm down. He doesn't need to dribble through the entire team or do everything on his own. He just needs to get his decision making on line with what the team needs and not worry about anything else. He was much better in the later stages of this game because he wasn't trying to do it all on his own but more a team player. Maybe just loosening things up will get him over this hump.
I think they need to put out the rationale for making a decision like this one. Like US Football where the ref explains the ruling the fans deserve to know why a decision was made rather than the usual stonewall of silence. If it was a mistake, admit it; if you made a mistake, admit it. Just covering things up is never the right decision and something so bad as this decision cries out for an explanation. This is exactly why fans hate VAR.
Palacesince64
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The explanations they do put out are never more than stating the bleeding obvious. “The referee did not feel there was sufficient contact to award a penalty and VAR saw no reason to change the on field decision”
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The referee's poor performance did at least lead to one humorous moment where it appeared Mateta was orchestrating a chorus of "The referee's a w@nker". Aside from the major talking points, once again there was inconsistency in the bookings, with Palace players seemingly booked for sneezing and Spurs' players able to commit aggravated assault with barely a look from the ref. For example, Lerma got booked for pulling someone back but when a Spurs player pulls Eze back they get nothing.
Talvlad
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For me, VAR authority is the wrong way round for decisions where interpretation is required.
If you take the West Ham v Man U pen, this is how a rugby referee would have dealt with it:
1) Instinct not to give a pen and play on.
2) When play stops, David goes upstairs and says, 'Michael, I want to see collision in the penalty area. My onfield view was no penalty, I want to see if there's anything more to it.'
3) Michael 'Here is the footage David'
4) David 'Right what I can see is two players running into the same space and coming together. Although there is some contact, this is not a foul. Michael, your view?'
5) Michael, something along the lines of 'That interpretation is a fair representation of the footage'
6) David 'Thank you Michael. I will stick with my onfield decision of no penalty'
In other words, the VAR official has a lower authority to than the match referee. This is because he's the one reffing the game. I mean, it's not rocket science.