Crystal Palace vs. Southampton match thread

[PatrickA]

Mitchell's fine. What he needs is a genuine left sided player in front of him - Munoz has Sarr on the right and it works, Mitchell has Eze, not a natural left sided player. I agree with Lanzo here, Eze should be plying his trade centrally, please note his positioning for his goal. Because of Glasner's tactical approach, some players don't seem a natural fit.

He is fine - as a defensive left back.
However, he's not fine as a wing back in Glasner's system where the wing back is there as the spare man out wide to provide the attacking outlet.

He has a couple of assists this season, but the role demands more than this.

He rarely hits a first time cross and almost invariably stops the ball , turns and passes backwards with the ball eventually ending up either with Henderson of one of the centre backs.
I observe Glasner on the touchline urging Mitchell to drive forward, so it's not that Mitchell is observing Glasner's instructions.

I agree the situation would be eased if there was a genuine left sided attacker ahead of Mitchell, but
a) we don't play this way
b) we don't have one
c) the left sided role is the only one available for Eze in the current system, so he is kind of shoehorned in there.

This is not a criticism of Mitchell.
He's fine against the top teams where defending is paramount.
However, against the weaker teams it would be better to have a more attacking outlet in that left wing back role.
This could be provided by a new player who can compete with and share the role with Mitchell so we have another option.

 

[Hannes]

Just watched our game on MOTD.

I’m glad VAR and the pundits said no foul by Mateta. Ramsdale had both hands on Mateta and was trying to push him out the way. He just wasn’t strong enough and Mateta stood his ground, which left Ramsdale flapping at thin air!

Although I was as relieved as you that the goal wasn't ruled out, I'm not sure it's always decided so clearly and unambiguously, either in the PL or in Europe. I remember last season when Hendo was obstructed in his goal area in similar situations and different decisions were made. I also thought that Calobah had turned around briefly before celebrating the goal just to realise that a hesitant celebration could give the referee and the VAR stupid ideas.

 

[Willo]

Just watched our game on MOTD.

I’m glad VAR and the pundits said no foul by Mateta. Ramsdale had both hands on Mateta and was trying to push him out the way. He just wasn’t strong enough and Mateta stood his ground, which left Ramsdale flapping at thin air!

In real-time I considered the goal being disallowed but having reviewed the incident on television I totally agree that allowing the goal to stand was the correct decision.

 

[park the bus]

He is fine - as a defensive left back.
However, he's not fine as a wing back in Glasner's system where the wing back is there as the spare man out wide to provide the attacking outlet.

He has a couple of assists this season, but the role demands more than this.

He rarely hits a first time cross and almost invariably stops the ball , turns and passes backwards with the ball eventually ending up either with Henderson of one of the centre backs.
I observe Glasner on the touchline urging Mitchell to drive forward, so it's not that Mitchell is observing Glasner's instructions.

I agree the situation would be eased if there was a genuine left sided attacker ahead of Mitchell, but
a) we don't play this way
b) we don't have one
c) the left sided role is the only one available for Eze in the current system, so he is kind of shoehorned in there.

This is not a criticism of Mitchell.
He's fine against the top teams where defending is paramount.
However, against the weaker teams it would be better to have a more attacking outlet in that left wing back role.
This could be provided by a new player who can compete with and share the role with Mitchell so we have another option.

I agree that cover in that position is necessary, mainly because currently we only have one player in the role. I think the problem stems from Eze, that is, he is not in his best position, and he tends to turn over possession far too often, thus putting extra pressure on Mitchell. Please note that Eze never covers convincingly or tackles back. Mitchell's hesitancy going forward is understandable in such circumstances.

 

[Eaglecoops]

In real-time I considered the goal being disallowed but having reviewed the incident on television I totally agree that allowing the goal to stand was the correct decision.

Southampton should have put a player between Mateta and Ramsdale. Mateta was too strong for the keeper and he was never going to allow himself to be pushed out the way.

When you see it from the inside the goal angle, Ramsdale was never getting anywhere near Chalobah. Correct decision.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

He is fine - as a defensive left back.
However, he's not fine as a wing back in Glasner's system where the wing back is there as the spare man out wide to provide the attacking outlet.

He has a couple of assists this season, but the role demands more than this.

He rarely hits a first time cross and almost invariably stops the ball , turns and passes backwards with the ball eventually ending up either with Henderson of one of the centre backs.
I observe Glasner on the touchline urging Mitchell to drive forward, so it's not that Mitchell is observing Glasner's instructions.

I agree the situation would be eased if there was a genuine left sided attacker ahead of Mitchell, but
a) we don't play this way
b) we don't have one
c) the left sided role is the only one available for Eze in the current system, so he is kind of shoehorned in there.

This is not a criticism of Mitchell.
He's fine against the top teams where defending is paramount.
However, against the weaker teams it would be better to have a more attacking outlet in that left wing back role.
T athis could be provided by a new player who can compete with and share the role with Mitchell so we have another option.

If this article is correct Mitchell has no shortage of suitors.

Arsenal and Tottenham hold talks to sign Tyrick Mitchell

Crystal Palace defender Tyrick Mitchell is attracting the attention of Europe's leading clubs.

www.caughtoffside.com

 

[doombear]

Southampton should have put a player between Mateta and Ramsdale. Mateta was too strong for the keeper and he was never going to allow himself to be pushed out the way.

When you see it from the inside the goal angle, Ramsdale was never getting anywhere near Chalobah. Correct decision.

Also, Ramsdale was clearly trying to push Mateta out of the way as the corner was taken. JP was having none of it.

 

[Phil’s Barber]

Although I was as relieved as you that the goal wasn't ruled out, I'm not sure it's always decided so clearly and unambiguously, either in the PL or in Europe. I remember last season when Hendo was obstructed in his goal area in similar situations and different decisions were made. I also thought that Calobah had turned around briefly before celebrating the goal just to realise that a hesitant celebration could give the referee and the VAR stupid ideas.

Yes, it was a relief as it’s certainly subjective and open to interpretation.

I was pleased that the VAR officials (listed as Graham Scott & Akil Howson) came to their decision quite quickly. This seems to indicate that they were very content that it was not a foul on Ramsdale. That they didn’t refer it for an on field review for the referee is also quite telling. I suppose also it wouldn't fall into the category where the referee had made a ‘Clear & Obvious’ error to award the goal however, that doesn’t always seem to be applied in the way that we were led to believe it would.

 

[Eagleman13]

If this article is correct Mitchell has no shortage of suitors.

Arsenal and Tottenham hold talks to sign Tyrick Mitchell

Crystal Palace defender Tyrick Mitchell is attracting the attention of Europe's leading clubs.

www.caughtoffside.com

Add Milan, Atletico & Barca to the clickbait mix. Still, at least it'll stop supporters slagging him off every game even when we win, with him assisting, hey ho.

AC Milan, Barca and Arsenal eye shock Palace raid as Villa consider loan decision

The 3AddedMinutes take on the latest transfer talk from the Premier League and beyond.

www.3addedminutes.com

 

[Squidgeedee]

First game at Selhurst since Leicester and i was left wondering what is happening to the atmosphere. Probably the poorest I have seen it.

Apart from the goals the aw was pretty quiet and even the Holmesdale apart from the hf seemed quieter than normal

is this due to the corner of the aw now almost feeling like a tourist section? Seemed like no one knew a chant

 

[Badger11]

Add Milan, Atletico & Barca to the clickbait mix. Still, at least it'll stop supporters slagging him off every game even when we win, with him assisting, hey ho.

AC Milan, Barca and Arsenal eye shock Palace raid as Villa consider loan decision

The 3AddedMinutes take on the latest transfer talk from the Premier League and beyond.

www.3addedminutes.com

If we don't buy a left WB this window that is really poor by the board. Mitchell may actually be angling for a new contract rather than a move but either way he should be getting competition for his role.

 

[PatrickA]

If this article is correct Mitchell has no shortage of suitors.

Arsenal and Tottenham hold talks to sign Tyrick Mitchell

Crystal Palace defender Tyrick Mitchell is attracting the attention of Europe's leading clubs.

www.caughtoffside.com

If he was with another club , and we played with a back 4, I'm sure that we'd among the suitors for Mitchell.
However, this does not make him an ideal LWB in Glasner's formation.

It's almost the reverse of the case of PVA.
Fans eulogised over his attacking raids down the left, but despaired at him going missing in defence.

If you could clone a player displaying the qualities of both PVA and Mitchell that could be the answer.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

If he was with another club , and we played with a back 4, I'm sure that we'd among the suitors for Mitchell.
However, this does not make him an ideal LWB in Glasner's formation.

It's almost the reverse of the case of PVA.
Fans eulogised over his attacking raids down the left, but despaired at him going missing in defence.

If you could clone a player displaying the qualities of both PVA and Mitchell that could be the answer.

It could be but he'd be playing for Real Madrid instead of us.

 

[palace chick]

If he was with another club , and we played with a back 4, I'm sure that we'd among the suitors for Mitchell.
However, this does not make him an ideal LWB in Glasner's formation.

It's almost the reverse of the case of PVA.
Fans eulogised over his attacking raids down the left, but despaired at him going missing in defence.

If you could clone a player displaying the qualities of both PVA and Mitchell that could be the answer.

And is that player out there? Mitchell certainly has a better defensive capability than Munoz, so do we need two wingbacks that aren’t so good defensively? Perhaps we should be grateful for what we have? In my opinion we should have Mitchell as our No 1 wingback and sign or bring through our youth system a second wingback for the bench. Do we need to spend loads of dosh to sit Mitchell or that signing on the bench. I always thought Schlupp would be Mitchell’s replacement from the bench but Glasner has never used him that way?

 

[PatrickA]

It could be but he'd be playing for Real Madrid instead of us.

Yes, that's fair comment!

The points I'm making are not intended to be critical of Mitchell.
I am appreciative of Mitchell's contribution to the team and very few wingers get the better of him.

However, looking at it dispassionately if I had a blank sheet of paper and was looking for a LWB to suit Glasner's system then Mitchell would not be top of the list.

As Palace Chick suggests, perhaps one should be grateful for what Mitchell brings rather than focusing on the negative.

 

[Eaglecoops]

And is that player out there? Mitchell certainly has a better defensive capability than Munoz, so do we need two wingbacks that aren’t so good defensively? Perhaps we should be grateful for what we have? In my opinion we should have Mitchell as our No 1 wingback and sign or bring through our youth system a second wingback for the bench. Do we need to spend loads of dosh to sit Mitchell or that signing on the bench. I always thought Schlupp would be Mitchell’s replacement from the bench but Glasner has never used him that way?

Surely the whole idea of Glasner’s set up is that the wing backs provide the attacking width rather than having traditional wingers. If they cannot perform this function to his satisfaction then they don’t fit into his system.

Mitchell is a good, solid 4-4-2 or 4-3-3 full back but not a wing back.

By playing a back three, those three are supposed to address any shortcomings of the wingbacks venturing forward. If our fullbacks get stuck defending full time then we get outnumbered when attacking and as a result our attacks are only ever effective when fast breaking. We can’t rely on this solely as it’s too easy to defend if that’s our only threat.

As for whether there are players out there, we found Munoz for £8m (from memory), so yes there must be. Apparently we are currently considering a couple of foreign league players.

Youngsters wise I am disappointed that Adaramola has not progressed at all as he always looked sharp going forward, as did Reece Hannam but both have faded into obscurity.

Yes, I agree that based on history of where he has played, Schlupp would have been ideally placed as a Mitchell replacement or cover but I can only think he has never impressed OG in training. Personally I think he is finished and this is his last season.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

Midway through the season and we have 20 points. Repeat that in the second half and we stay up.

The game went how I expected. We were nervous about a must win game and made mistakes.

Munoz cost us a goal, but Southampton were so poor that we just overpowered them. We should have won by another 2 or 3 goals.

A couple of signings and we should be OK baring injuries.

 

[ASCPFC]

Whilst I fully acknowledge that Kamada's confidence must be hurting, and that we should always (try and) support all palace players, in the last few games when OG has brought on Kamada, its literally like going down to 10 men.

We've had plenty of players over our history who just haven't worked, but this lad seems to be a total novice. He can't tackle, can't pass, can't read the game and looks completely lost out there. Its actually quite sad to watch.

However, how on earth did he get bought and on such ridiculous wages?

This is a real embarrassment for our recruitment team and OG should admit when its not the deal he thought it would be.

Just so unfair on others and if I was other players knowing his deal, this must surely destabilize moral?

Time to put out to reserves and got shot to save wages asap.

Im sorry Kamada. But this is PL.

The issue for me here is I largely agree with this but also he's keeping Devenny and Agbinone out. We've got youngsters there who are better and have the potential to be real assets to us. Kamada looks like he came on a jolly for the lolly.

 

[JHB]

A win is a win and that’s what matters, especially with teams around us losing. We showed good resilience to come back from conceding first and should really have put the game to bed before half time. Our finishing remains dreadful but we created chances. Hughes and Lerma linked play better than in previous games and Sarr was good again. Some of that was due to the weakness of the opposition but we did the necessary.

It still all feels a bit disjointed and like the system doesn’t really suit the players. However, I think this is just the way it is going to be this season. Quite a few bad performances punctuated by the odd win.

I see a fair bit of criticism of Mitchell but he has actually created a few chances this season and is solid defensively. I actually think Munoz is playing considerably worse than him right now. His crossing is awful and defensively he’s been poor recently. Brings great energy though.

 

[Pete53]

Although I was as relieved as you that the goal wasn't ruled out, I'm not sure it's always decided so clearly and unambiguously, either in the PL or in Europe. I remember last season when Hendo was obstructed in his goal area in similar situations and different decisions were made. I also thought that Calobah had turned around briefly before celebrating the goal just to realise that a hesitant celebration could give the referee and the VAR stupid ideas.

In fact I think the whole crowds celebration when the ball crossed the line was a tad muted as if we knew that VAR would be employed.