Crystal Palace vs. Newcastle match thread

[Teddy Eagle]

I am no "Rod" and my rod is not put to the uses it was in my Lothario days.

Not to worry. I'm sure You Wear it Well.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

In some ways yesterday was a microcosm of our season.
Not a bad performance, but lacking in the final third and a few missed chances.

Where I disagree with other posters is that I don't think we've just been unlucky and it's all going to suddenly click.

I can't prove it, but I rather suspect if Olise was still with us he would now be on 4 or 5 goals and 3 or 4 assists and Eze would have Mateta would have both got another goal or two.
That's a lot of goals which would probably have us comfortably in mid table.

Olise's replacements ( a combination of Kamada, Nketiah and Sarr) have made scant contribution in goals and assists.
They may improve in this regard, but it's doubtful to the level of Olise's contribution.

Until we go some way to replacing Olise's output I believe we may struggle to win tight games.

I'm hoping Wharton's return will assist our forwards and believe we need another attacking player in January who will make an immediate contribtion in goals and assists.

Olise was also notable for usually picking the right option and would slip the ball inside to keep momentum going forward rather than trying to do it all himself - although when he did it was great to watch.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Suffice to say, my days of sexual encounters are in the dim and distant past.🙂

Blimey, who were you dating? Olga Korbut?

 

[Willo]

Not to worry. I'm sure You Wear it Well.

Guffaws in 'Chez Willo'. 😀 😀

 

[DenTyler]

And before Olise we relied on Zaha to carry the team.

Those players are unique talents and difficult to replace on a like for like basis.

Of course we miss Olise. We also miss the Eze of last season. And the Wharton of last season. No wonder it's been a struggle.

Slowly we are building a platform. But we need to turn draws like yesterday into wins. Strengthening the squad in January will hopefully facilitate this.

We do miss the Eze of last season, however, I said in the summer he will be a shadow of that player without Olise. Until Sarr starts getting players attached to him like Olise did or we bring somebody else in that gives the opposition something else to worry about we will only see this half the player Eze. He thrives when he is spare and in space.

As for the impending end of Kamada’s ban. If he comes in ahead of hughes, lerma, Doucoure, Wharton, Sarr and Devenny then I really will give up on OG.

Devenny has taken his chance. Kamada hasn’t and I don’t believe he will. I also really don’t see the point of Eddie. I would honestly cut my losses and move Kamada on (to where…. Who the f@ck knows… nobody would want him)

 

[dreamwaverider]

In writing my post, I am looking at the 'present and the future.'

Olise has gone, that ship has sailed, but we haven't managed to replace his goals and assists.
Of course he's very difficult to replace , but haven't even come close to date with the players brought in to soften the blow of his departure.

Like you, I believe that an in form and fit Wharton can make a difference and prompt better performances from our attacking players.
But I still feel we will need to strengthen in January to address the shortfall of goals and assists.

The problem is Patrick that we can't just replace Olise. For us he was a rare player and as we all know, they dont grow on trees. Like you, I totally agree we really need to strengthen in January. LWB is now vital and any potent attacker welcomed.
However, since we have finally found Sarr's strength, his electric pace on the break, I can't wait to see what will happen when Wharton starts pinging them through. Sarr is unstoppable once he sets off and he puts in wicked balls for our pacey players to run onto. Devenny and Munoz have shown what they can do backing up Sarr. So too can Eze and Mateta and any pacey wing back like say Chilwell if we could get him on loan. Even Mitchell, if we could only change his mental approach to going forwards. (but we need LWB cover anyway).
Doucoure, Hughes, Lerma and Devenny can all play the quick through balls, but Wharton is the master for delivering the unexpected.
Glasner is on it. Just pray he doesn't bring back Kamada. So far he is way off the pace for the premier most of the time.

 

[Willo]

Blimey, who were you dating? Olga Korbut?

😀 😀

Never had the pleasure but there were a few lithe and lissom ladies with whom I had dalliances.

In terms of the Newcastle game, the share of the spoils felt like a win on account of the late,late equaliser.
I expected more from Newcastle and it would have been a travesty had they attained all the points.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

At least Everton's goal difference is getting a bit of a tonking today.

 

[Canterbury Palace]

The problem is Patrick that we can't just replace Olise. For us he was a rare player and as we all know, they dont grow on trees. Like you, I totally agree we really need to strengthen in January. LWB is now vital and any potent attacker welcomed.
However, since we have finally found Sarr's strength, his electric pace on the break, I can't wait to see what will happen when Wharton starts pinging them through. Sarr is unstoppable once he sets off and he puts in wicked balls for our pacey players to run onto. Devenny and Munoz have shown what they can do backing up Sarr. So too can Eze and Mateta and any pacey wing back like say Chilwell if we could get him on loan. Even Mitchell, if we could only change his mental approach to going forwards. (but we need LWB cover anyway).
Doucoure, Hughes, Lerma and Devenny can all play the quick through balls, but Wharton is the master for delivering the unexpected.
Glasner is on it. Just pray he doesn't bring back Kamada. So far he is way off the pace for the premier most of the time.

True but we used to say the same about Zaha and then we got Eze and Olise.

I think Olise is world class and we won't get someone who does what he does as well but there are plenty of other talented young players out there who would do better in that position than we've seen this season.

Having said that, I do think Sarr is improving. But I'd bite your hand off for Rayan Cherki in January who I think would offer chaotic brilliance.

 

[ex hibitionist]

There was a slight movement but contact with my seat was maintained.
I am mindful of not obscuring the view of those seated behind me.

I'm assuming the seat momentarily was not subject to the full weight of your buttocks, but only the outer epiderm of said buttocks remained in contact with the seat as you leaned forward in the first stages of a triumphant leap, maybe even it was just the goose pimples which were in contact. Then after your near exertion you lapsed back to allow gravity to effect the full weight of your buttocks back on to the seat. Am I correct in this assumption?

 

[Willo]

I'm assuming the seat momentarily was not subject to the full weight of your buttocks, but only the outer epiderm of said buttocks remained in contact with the seat as you leaned forward in the first stages of a triumphant leap, maybe even it was just the goose pimples which were in contact. Then after your near exertion you lapsed back to allow gravity to effect the full weight of your buttocks back on to the seat. Am I correct in this assumption?

😀😀😀

My word - A mirthquake to register on the Richter Scale !

 

[NMPalace]

Everyone agrees Mitchell lacks confidence and ability (particularly crossing) going forward but is good in defence.

Glasner is no fool and has already said we need ‘cover’ for Mitchell in Jan. I think a good wing-back signing on the left will actually benefit Mitchell as there’s currently a lot on his shoulders and he seems like a nice quiet, humble lad who could do with a helping hand and maybe even a break from time to time.

i'm always amazed fullbacks don't work more on their first time crossing, as when they take a touch the opportunity is often lost and they don't have the ability to beat their man (hence why they play in defence).

When Mitchell does assist it is usually when he puts in an early cross e.g against Villa a couple of years ago, Leicester this season etc

 

[dreamwaverider]

We do miss the Eze of last season, however, I said in the summer he will be a shadow of that player without Olise. Until Sarr starts getting players attached to him like Olise did or we bring somebody else in that gives the opposition something else to worry about we will only see this half the player Eze. He thrives when he is spare and in space.

As for the impending end of Kamada’s ban. If he comes in ahead of hughes, lerma, Doucoure, Wharton, Sarr and Devenny then I really will give up on OG.

Devenny has taken his chance. Kamada hasn’t and I don’t believe he will. I also really don’t see the point of Eddie. I would honestly cut my losses and move Kamada on (to where…. Who the f@ck knows… nobody would want him)

Great post.
But I look at Olise and the way he played for us as unique.
Sarr has got phenomenal acceleration and pace and great ball control considering.
So a very different player to Olise but as we are starting to see, if used correctly he could be very very good. We need to keep giving him quick balls to burst through onto and follow him up the pitch ready for a return if needed. It's coming and maybe tomorrow night he will continue to exploit his talent against the Tractor boys.

 

[JHB]

Great post.
But I look at Olise and the way he played for us as unique.
Sarr has got phenomenal acceleration and pace and great ball control considering.
So a very different player to Olise but as we are starting to see, if used correctly he could be very very good. We need to keep giving him quick balls to burst through onto and follow him up the pitch ready for a return if needed. It's coming and maybe tomorrow night he will continue to exploit his talent against the Tractor boys.

This is right. Sarr needs to be playing right up against their back line and running behind. Almost as a second striker playing off JPM.

 

[Charles]

We had the beating of an injury weakened Newcastle for what it's worth. Our finishing wasn't really that awful; Munoz appeared to lose his footing on slowmo for his first chance; JPM's trap was a fraction clumsy and the ball bounced too high for him; on another day...... Probably the decisive incident was letting Gordon get away in the build-up to the own goal; in hindsight was Hughes the best choice for that position?

At least we nearly know our best starting XI; the last missing bit of the jigsaw is who will prove Wharton's best partner. My money's still on Doucoure but....?

The subs remain an issue. I actually found myself thinking I'd have probably preferred Kamada to Schlupp or Nketiah. Now Richards is fit, perhaps subbing him for an underperforming centre back might concentrate minds. Nketiah seems actually to be getting worse rather than the reverse; I daresay the realisation he's not part of the first choice team has been a psychological injury but he needs to show a much better response.

I don't get the January window talk. In reality replacing Holding is most likely the only business we're likely to do and cover / competition for Tyrick Mitchell - as many have said - is streets the top priority for that slot. Moreover on recent showings, with Eze fully back in the groove and Wharton available I can't really see much need. (Though if Leicester would agree to swapping Nketiah for Edouarde who they're not playing......? At least he showed under Roy that with abundant service he's a prolific goalscorer even if that's about all he does offer.)

 

[DenTyler]

Great post.
But I look at Olise and the way he played for us as unique.
Sarr has got phenomenal acceleration and pace and great ball control considering.
So a very different player to Olise but as we are starting to see, if used correctly he could be very very good. We need to keep giving him quick balls to burst through onto and follow him up the pitch ready for a return if needed. It's coming and maybe tomorrow night he will continue to exploit his talent against the Tractor boys.

Agreed that Olise was a rare talent, BM got the deal of a lifetime for what they paid. As for Eze, I don’t think he necessarily needs an out and out Olise, just somebody else taken some heat. Sarr is definitely beginning to show signs of life and I think when Wharton is back and there are 2 options he can release along with JPM, I think we will see a better Eze.

 

[doombear]

We had the beating of an injury weakened Newcastle for what it's worth. Our finishing wasn't really that awful; Munoz appeared to lose his footing on slowmo for his first chance; JPM's trap was a fraction clumsy and the ball bounced too high for him; on another day...... Probably the decisive incident was letting Gordon get away in the build-up to the own goal; in hindsight was Hughes the best choice for that position?

At least we nearly know our best starting XI; the last missing bit of the jigsaw is who will prove Wharton's best partner. My money's still on Doucoure but....?

The subs remain an issue. I actually found myself thinking I'd have probably preferred Kamada to Schlupp or Nketiah. Now Richards is fit, perhaps subbing him for an underperforming centre back might concentrate minds. Nketiah seems actually to be getting worse rather than the reverse; I daresay the realisation he's not part of the first choice team has been a psychological injury but he needs to show a much better response.

I don't get the January window talk. In reality replacing Holding is most likely the only business we're likely to do and cover / competition for Tyrick Mitchell - as many have said - is streets the top priority for that slot. Moreover on recent showings, with Eze fully back in the groove and Wharton available I can't really see much need. (Though if Leicester would agree to swapping Nketiah for Edouarde who they're not playing......? At least he showed under Roy that with abundant service he's a prolific goalscorer even if that's about all he does offer.)

Injury weakened? I believe they had fewer injuries than us - Botman (long term) and then Isak in the game. Can't think of anyone else of note who wasn't in their squad but I may be wrong.

 

[Charles]

Injury weakened? I believe they had fewer injuries than us - Botman (long term) and then Isak in the game. Can't think of anyone else of note who wasn't in their squad but I may be wrong.

Lascelles plus Callum Wison was returning and couldn't directly replace Isaak.Probably no one as crucial as Wharton I'd agree.

 

[doombear]

Lascelles plus Callum Wison was returning and couldn't directly replace Isak.Probably no one as crucial as Wharton I'd agree.

And we've had Eze, Doucoure, Lerma, Richards and Nketiah returning over the last ten days (so none of them up to speed yet) and we still have Wharton, Riad and Franca out.

 

[Charles]

And we've had Eze, Doucoure, Lerma, Richards and Nketiah returning over the last ten days (so none of them up to speed yet) and we still have Wharton, Riad and Franca out.

I admit I hadn't checked to begin with but allowed myself to be influenced by commentatorial clucking at the start of the game; I'm still not sure being better than Newcastle means too much at the moment. I completely agree we're still far from emerged from our own blight. I notice you stick to injuries and don't mention disciplinary suspensions 🙂