Censorship and Social Media

[Common Sense Club]

taking down flags. Censorship in all but name. Trust Brighton to lead the way.

Brighton council takes down St George’s flags

Councillor later says removals in some areas paused after contractors faced verbal abuse

www.telegraph.co.uk

Angela Rayner has just bought a place down there, so the flags were probably spoiling her view of the shingle; poor dear.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

taking down flags. Censorship in all but name. Trust Brighton to lead the way.

Brighton council takes down St George’s flags

Councillor later says removals in some areas paused after contractors faced verbal abuse

www.telegraph.co.uk

We all know that raising these flags in the way and places they are has much more to do with making political points than any sense of national pride.

I am as English as anyone can be and to see my national flag being hijacked to support a type of politics I regard as destructive and incendiary is deeply offensive.

We are all British citizens, whether we live in England, Scotland, Wales or N Ireland. Whatever political party, or none, we support. We need to promote pride in our national flags and symbols from everyone and not seek to divide or exclude anyone. That some may need greater persuasion than others doesn’t diminish that need. Indeed it enhances it.

So this is a highly regrettable trend that needs to be called out for what it is. Which is xenophobia and not national pride.

Whether the government is brave enough to regulate it and ban the use of national flags and symbols by political parties or activists in support of their own agendas remains to be seen. Using them when participating, with others, in the celebration of national events is fine.

When any political party makes things worse by responding to popular sentiment in this kind of way, rather than acknowledging the problem and showing genuine leadership towards solutions, action to restrain them is demanded. That’s not restricting free speech in any way. It’s taking actions to counter other, divisive, actions. You can speak against it as much as you wish.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

We all know that raising these flags in the way and places they are has much more to do with making political points than any sense of national pride.

I am as English as anyone can be and to see my national flag being hijacked to support a type of politics I regard as destructive and incendiary is deeply offensive.

We are all British citizens, whether we live in England, Scotland, Wales or N Ireland. Whatever political party, or none, we support. We need to promote pride in our national flags and symbols from everyone and not seek to divide or exclude anyone. That some may need greater persuasion than others doesn’t diminish that need. Indeed it enhances it.

So this is a highly regrettable trend that needs to be called out for what it is. Which is xenophobia and not national pride.

Whether the government is brave enough to regulate it and ban the use of national flags and symbols by political parties or activists in support of their own agendas remains to be seen. Using them when participating, with others, in the celebration of national events is fine.

When any political party makes things worse by responding to popular sentiment in this kind of way, rather than acknowledging the problem and showing genuine leadership towards solutions, action to restrain them is demanded. That’s not restricting free speech in any way. It’s taking actions to counter other, divisive, actions. You can speak against it as much as you wish.

Alright. Be offended. So what?

 

[beak]

Alright. Be offended. So what?

Blimey,your touchy today,can't you raise a flag?😳😈

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Blimey,your touchy today,can't you raise a flag?😳😈

I tried a pirate flag (would have said tried a Jolly Roger but it looked wrong) but it offended anorexics.

 

[beak]

I tried a pirate flag (would have said tried a Jolly Roger but it looked wrong) but it offended anorexics.

Did he get above half mast?

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Did he get above half mast?

Full tilt but the splinters were concerning and the hook was a nightmare.

 

[Mattconrov]

The reason for the flying of English flags is obvious to most. The ones who can't see that are the ones who have a "political point to make".

I shall explain to our cornish friend that he has his argument back to front.

For a long time the English have been extremely tolerant and welcoming to foreigners coming to our country. If this wasn't true then why do so many come here?

This tolerance and kindness has been exploited by both the government and some migrants.

The "xenophobia" is not directed from the English to the immigrants, but the other way around ; examples such as wearing their own national dress all the time or choosing to live on estates with a majority of there own countrymen. This creates a divide which we now see. Many have not made the effort to become British.

We also have a British government that favours the rights of illegal and legal immigrants over the native people.

This shows a lack of respect for our culture with is now dying.

Flying flags is not the answer but it's a start.

As an Englishman with an African wife and in laws; they are amazed, as are other Africans;
that it is frowned upon to show pride and fly your own countries flag.

This is how conditioned we have become to hate or feel ashamed of our country.

 

[Common Sense Club]

We all know that raising these flags in the way and places they are has much more to do with making political points than any sense of national pride.

I am as English as anyone can be and to see my national flag being hijacked to support a type of politics I regard as destructive and incendiary is deeply offensive.

We are all British citizens, whether we live in England, Scotland, Wales or N Ireland. Whatever political party, or none, we support. We need to promote pride in our national flags and symbols from everyone and not seek to divide or exclude anyone. That some may need greater persuasion than others doesn’t diminish that need. Indeed it enhances it.

So this is a highly regrettable trend that needs to be called out for what it is. Which is xenophobia and not national pride.

Whether the government is brave enough to regulate it and ban the use of national flags and symbols by political parties or activists in support of their own agendas remains to be seen. Using them when participating, with others, in the celebration of national events is fine.

When any political party makes things worse by responding to popular sentiment in this kind of way, rather than acknowledging the problem and showing genuine leadership towards solutions, action to restrain them is demanded. That’s not restricting free speech in any way. It’s taking actions to counter other, divisive, actions. You can speak against it as much as you wish.

I know…a Pakistani flag could represent grooming gangs, a Palestinian flag could represent kidnapping; it’s a minefield isn’t it?

 

[eaglesdare]

With the way things are going now if you have your own countries flag next to your name on social media you will be arrested.

 

[beak]

With the way things are going now if you have your own countries flag next to your name on social media you will be arrested.

That is not true and inflames an already volatile situation.

 

[eaglesdare]

That is not true and inflames an already volatile situation.

If people get arrested for social media posts and people get arrested for putting flags up in the street then the natural progression is arrested for having flags in your bio on social media.

Unless of course you have a Hamas / Palestinian flag.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

The reason for the flying of English flags is obvious to most. The ones who can't see that are the ones who have a "political point to make".

I shall explain to our cornish friend that he has his argument back to front.

For a long time the English have been extremely tolerant and welcoming to foreigners coming to our country. If this wasn't true then why do so many come here?

This tolerance and kindness has been exploited by both the government and some migrants.

The "xenophobia" is not directed from the English to the immigrants, but the other way around ; examples such as wearing their own national dress all the time or choosing to live on estates with a majority of there own countrymen. This creates a divide which we now see. Many have not made the effort to become British.

We also have a British government that favours the rights of illegal and legal immigrants over the native people.

This shows a lack of respect for our culture with is now dying.

Flying flags is not the answer but it's a start.

As an Englishman with an African wife and in laws; they are amazed, as are other Africans;
that it is frowned upon to show pride and fly your own countries flag.

This is how conditioned we have become to hate or feel ashamed of our country.

If that was truly the genuine reason you would, of course, be right.

What you describe is the popular sentiment which is being politically exploited. Such exploitation will not make the issues you describe any better. They will make it worse. It’s throwing petrol on a fire that either needs water or needs to be contained and allowed to wither and die.

We know there are problems. We know people are angry about them. What’s needed isn’t rhetoric or flags. It’s solutions to the problems. That calls for vision, determination, patience and above all genuine leadership. Not an attempt to ride the crest of a populist wave just to achieve personal ambitions without the semblance of a realistic policy agenda designed to actually improve things.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

I know…a Pakistani flag could represent grooming gangs, a Palestinian flag could represent kidnapping; it’s a minefield isn’t it?

Anyone stupid enough to promote personal agendas of that kind, and used a national flag in doing so, would undoubtedly be condemned by whoever’s flag it was. They might request us to curtail it.

 

[beak]

If people get arrested for social media posts and people get arrested for putting flags up in the street then the natural progression is arrested for having flags in your bio on social media.

Unless of course you have a Hamas / Palestinian flag.

That called for arson on a specific hotel and called for racial hatred she is very lucky to be out now.

 

[georgenorman]

If that was truly the genuine reason you would, of course, be right.

What you describe is the popular sentiment which is being politically exploited. Such exploitation will not make the issues you describe any better. They will make it worse. It’s throwing petrol on a fire that either needs water or needs to be contained and allowed to wither and die.

We know there are problems. We know people are angry about them. What’s needed isn’t rhetoric or flags. It’s solutions to the problems. That calls for vision, determination, patience and above all genuine leadership. Not an attempt to ride the crest of a populist wave just to achieve personal ambitions without the semblance of a realistic policy agenda designed to actually improve things.

What do you see as the problems?

 

[Common Sense Club]

Anyone stupid enough to promote personal agendas of that kind, and used a national flag in doing so, would undoubtedly be condemned by whoever’s flag it was. They might request us to curtail it.

Just seems strange that raising your nation’s flag in your own nation can be seen as negative. Reminds me of a sign I saw once in America which was the American flag next to: If this flag offends you then you’re in the wrong country.

 

[Mattconrov]

If that was truly the genuine reason you would, of course, be right.

What you describe is the popular sentiment which is being politically exploited. Such exploitation will not make the issues you describe any better. They will make it worse. It’s throwing petrol on a fire that either needs water or needs to be contained and allowed to wither and die.

We know there are problems. We know people are angry about them. What’s needed isn’t rhetoric or flags. It’s solutions to the problems. That calls for vision, determination, patience and above all genuine leadership. Not an attempt to ride the crest of a populist wave just to achieve personal ambitions without the semblance of a realistic policy agenda designed to actually improve things.

All these things are just pointless thoughts in your head; with respect.

Direct action such as those at the epping migrant hotel are what is necessary.

Anyone who disagrees with the above is to me the enemy and the problem.

I hated to say that last sentence, but I believe it to be true.

People are just too simple minded to be thinking about populist movements when putting a flag up. I mean that in a nice way.

This is not a political "populist"movement.
People are just pushing back against those who wish to destroy the country.

 

[Common Sense Club]

That called for arson on a specific hotel and called for racial hatred she is very lucky to be out now.

So is Ricky Jones…

 

[beak]

So is Ricky Jones…

I try to take the wise course of never questioning a judges decision,i've been on a long jury service and know the consequenses are very dire indeed. Several posts on here tread a line that i would not dare to do.