Reform

So Farage is finally talking the talk. But will he actually stick on his Oxfords and actually walk the walk? Not convinced. But there can be no backing down now on these pledges. That is a nailed on fact. And if he does U-turn on them then it can only be because he has been a fraud all along.

The mood music all seems to be about a political class (and I include Farage in that now) literally shitting themselves because their collective attempts at virtue signalling and trying to gas-light people with all the usual 'wascist' BS are not only failing miserably, but actually being counter-productive. Driving more people rightwards on a daily basis.
 
More pie in the sky for the gullible. Less unfunded this time as unrealistic.

Illegal arrival is already an offence and some are indeed arrested and jailed, predominantly those who are already known to us. The problem is they are entitled to legal advice and to make a claim for asylum. As are they all.

Making agreements is easy to say, but demands willingness from all parties. Which is as unlikely as Parish agreeing to buy Marinakis half a cow for his dinner on Sunday.

Booking planes is easy. Getting illegals into the seats and destinations to accept them is much harder.

Putting asylum seekers into redundant military bases sounds simple but if it was practical it would have been done years ago. For our citizens needing housing. Where are these bases? What state of repair are they in? Who will supervise?

Sending people to Ascension Island would be a very expensive way to handle this problem. It’s a very long way and less than 1000 people live there at present so we would need to send many more. Better to one of the Scottish Islands, The Isle of Dogs or Hayling Island!
 
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More pie in the sky for the gullible. Less unfunded this time as unrealistic.

Illegal arrival is already an offence and some are indeed arrested and jailed, predominantly those who are already known to us. The problem is they are entitled to legal advice and to make a claim for asylum. As are they all.

Making agreements is easy to say, but demands willingness from all parties. Which is as unlikely as Parish agreeing to buy Marikanis half a cow for his dinner on Sunday.

Booking planes is easy. Getting illegals into the seats and destinations to accept them is much harder.

Putting asylum seekers into redundant military bases sounds simple but if it was practical it would have been done years ago. For our citizens needing housing. Where are these bases? What state of repair are they in? Who will supervise?

Sending people to Ascension Island would be a very expensive way to handle this problem. It’s a very long way and less than 1000 people live there at present so we would need to send many more. Better to one of the Scottish Islands, The Isle of Dogs or Hayling Island!
Your close or avenue will do.
 
This would do.

Not just this one! There are others, but there must be good reasons they aren’t used which I guess is staffing and security. The holiday camp employees are long gone and there would need to be new contracts. The obvious solution would be for the asylum seekers to do the cleaning and catering themselves as a condition of them being accommodated, under the supervision of security and training staff. Much like an open prison must be. Which begs the question of why, when we have been struggling to find prison places, they aren’t already in use. So there’s probably other reasons too. Maybe they are already sold and going through planning?
 
Not just this one! There are others, but there must be good reasons they aren’t used which I guess is staffing and security. The holiday camp employees are long gone and there would need to be new contracts. The obvious solution would be for the asylum seekers to do the cleaning and catering themselves as a condition of them being accommodated, under the supervision of security and training staff. Much like an open prison must be. Which begs the question of why, when we have been struggling to find prison places, they aren’t already in use. So there’s probably other reasons too. Maybe they are already sold and going through planning?
Is security that much of a concern? In Scotland the government is bringing back fee bus travel for asylum seekers next year so they wouldn't appear to be that worried. Unless you mean internal security since some of those involved are not natural allies.
 
More pie in the sky for the gullible. Less unfunded this time as unrealistic.

Illegal arrival is already an offence and some are indeed arrested and jailed, predominantly those who are already known to us. The problem is they are entitled to legal advice and to make a claim for asylum. As are they all.

Making agreements is easy to say, but demands willingness from all parties. Which is as unlikely as Parish agreeing to buy Marinakis half a cow for his dinner on Sunday.

Booking planes is easy. Getting illegals into the seats and destinations to accept them is much harder.

Putting asylum seekers into redundant military bases sounds simple but if it was practical it would have been done years ago. For our citizens needing housing. Where are these bases? What state of repair are they in? Who will supervise?

Sending people to Ascension Island would be a very expensive way to handle this problem. It’s a very long way and less than 1000 people live there at present so we would need to send many more. Better to one of the Scottish Islands, The Isle of Dogs or Hayling Island!
 
Is security that much of a concern? In Scotland the government is bringing back fee bus travel for asylum seekers next year so they wouldn't appear to be that worried. Unless you mean internal security since some of those involved are not natural allies.
Internal and external. Any site like that needs some security and something like this would have potential threats to peace inside but also threats to it from outside. So it would probably need to be fenced, gated and access controlled.
 
He's not Reform but Jenick is a 100 percent right.


What Lucy Connelly has revealed about her treatment by the judiciary (refused bail twice, facing continuous remand), the comments by her judge and how it differs from how Ricky Jones was treated and the judge that he got......It cannot stand.

People need to be sacked.

And I think Starmer's post riot comments can be seen as direction and thus pinpoint where the original blame lies.
 
He's not Reform but Jenick is a 100 percent right.


What Lucy Connelly has revealed about her treatment by the judiciary (refused bail twice, facing continuous remand), the comments by her judge and how it differs from how Ricky Jones was treated and the judge that he got......It cannot stand.

People need to be sacked.

And I think Starmer's post riot comments can be seen as direction and thus pinpoint where the original blame lies.
People get refused bail for a variety of reasons, one of them being their own safety but none of them political.

A politician like Jenrick making statements of this kind is disgusting. They ought to support the judiciary unreservedly and emphasise their independence. Politicians make the law. The judiciary merely implement it.
 
People get refused bail for a variety of reasons, one of them being their own safety but none of them political.

A politician like Jenrick making statements of this kind is disgusting. They ought to support the judiciary unreservedly and emphasise their independence. Politicians make the law. The judiciary merely implement it.
Carry on defending the indefensible, everyone has you number, who do you think you are fooling.
 
Whoever wins the next election after this useless shower of sh1t have had their turn to get rich in 4/5 years, they’ll have this to address. But immigration is at the top of the list and neither the tories or Labour will address it, especially Labour, who want to speed it up.

 
The big problem with Reform is the one club golfer attitude,whatever the question nigel says immigration, he doesn't have any other policies.
 
The big problem with Reform is the one club golfer attitude,whatever the question nigel says immigration, he doesn't have any other policies.


They don't need any other policies. Now I think Reform are all hot air, and Farage will prove as useless as every other politician has of late. I also think they have been forced into their current stance due to the pressures of Advance and Restore UK movements.

But the next election will be fought on a very simple platform of major immigration changes. That is the battleground.

And the Left are screwed on it. They cannot pivot right on the issue because of the threat already posed by the likes of Corbyn and the 'independent' MPs (for whom read Islamic).

Now I have zero faith that meaningful changes will be brought in because they will involve a MAJOR dismantling of the current legal system be it taking us out of the ECHR and the general treachery prevalent in the judicary as things stand but if they are not, then 2029 could be the last election this country has for a while because the place will explode.
 
The big problem with Reform is the one club golfer attitude,whatever the question nigel says immigration, he doesn't have any other policies.
Mass immigration makes the problems in the country worse. Immigration is at the top of the list whether you like it or not.

And Labour’s decisions and policies contradict their intentions and every single comment and statement they make…

Economic growth by taxing a lot more, especially businesses. Claiming the economy is growing when it really isn’t. Claiming interest rates are low because of a positive growing economy when it’s actually the opposite by the BoE and to hold off a recession.

We’re going to tax you on things like 2nd homes because they’re wrong and bad, but we’re going to grow and increase our property portfolios. ‘’Tories are scum’’, but they’re going to behave like hypocrites as they feel they’re entitled to while they can.

50% of working class Labour voters are planning to vote Reform. As I can’t see them being the millions of London voters they’ll be in the Northern red wall and the midlands. This is going to get very interesting and I can’t wait. I wish it was next Spring.
 
Mass immigration makes the problems in the country worse. Immigration is at the top of the list whether you like it or not.

And Labour’s decisions and policies contradict their intentions and every single comment and statement they make…

Economic growth by taxing a lot more, especially businesses. Claiming the economy is growing when it really isn’t. Claiming interest rates are low because of a positive growing economy when it’s actually the opposite by the BoE and to hold off a recession.

We’re going to tax you on things like 2nd homes because they’re wrong and bad, but we’re going to grow and increase our property portfolios. ‘’Tories are scum’’, but they’re going to behave like hypocrites as they feel they’re entitled to while they can.

50% of working class Labour voters are planning to vote Reform. As I can’t see them being the millions of London voters they’ll be in the Northern red wall and the midlands. This is going to get very interesting and I can’t wait. I wish it was next Spring.
Every opinion poll says the economy is the main issue often with the NHS in second place. No sane person will vote for the one club party,Farage will be shown upat the next election as a charlatan and rabble rouser.
 
Every opinion poll says the economy is the main issue often with the NHS in second place. No sane person will vote for the one club party,Farage will be shown upat the next election as a charlatan and rabble rouser.


And what 'sane' person is going to vote Labour or Conservative? This is the point. I have very little faith in Reform to do what they are saying but this idea that there is some kind of balance to be struck. I would argue that the NHS needs as much shaking up as the immigration system but again, don't trust ANY of them to have the intellectual bandwidth to sort it. And there is an arugement to be made about the NHS that in its current form, it is not fixable but that is for another debate.
 

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