Immigration

Wisbech Eagle said:
Yes it makes me very angry to see videos like this spreading disinformation and xenophobia to try to add to an already highly politicised problem.

Very irresponsible!
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Perhaps you could tell us which bits are not true then, otherwise wouldn't it be disinformation to tell us this was lies if they aren't?

Which parts are not true?
 
eaglesdare said:
www.telegraph.co.uk

Government issues urgent appeal for 5,000 homes to house 20,000 migrants

Home Office turns to property specialists as councils prepare to follow Epping and attempt to stop hotels housing asylum seekers
www.telegraph.co.uk www.telegraph.co.uk

Have you got a spare room?
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The consequence of this will be more of a dispersal of problem people into HMO’s. They need to held in detention centres. This is such a disgrace it’s unbelievable. The men who fought world wars for this country will be turning in their graves, but the people defending and pro this country being flushed away wouldn’t care about that.
 
Spindle said:
Perhaps you could tell us which bits are not true then, otherwise wouldn't it be disinformation to tell us this was lies if they aren't?

Which parts are not true?
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We can start with all of it!

They aren’t illegal immigrants! They are asylum seekers. So it’s all untrue.

If you want more they aren’t given priority access to social housing. They are treated no differently to anyone else. They aren’t given mobile phones. Access to health care and dentistry is free to anyone legally here, which whilst their application is being processed they are.

Whether they ought to be regarded as asylum seekers is an entirely separate debate. Whilst they are these claims are 100% disinformation.
 
Rudi Hedman said:
The consequence of this will be more of a dispersal of problem people into HMO’s. They need to held in detention centres. This is such a disgrace it’s unbelievable. The men who fought world wars for this country will be turning in their graves, but the people defending and pro this country being flushed away wouldn’t care about that.
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Starmer: I am on the side of the builders not the blockers. We need 1.5 million new homes built to meet demand. We will stop using hotels for asylum seekers.
Reality: countryside being bulldozed for housing estates. Take up is poor; some as low as 20%.
Starmer: Mr Taylor Wimpey, you have so many unsold new houses; can my government rent them from you…?
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
We can start with all of it!

They aren’t illegal immigrants! They are asylum seekers. So it’s all untrue.

If you want more they aren’t given priority access to social housing. They are treated no differently to anyone else. They aren’t given mobile phones. Access to health care and dentistry is free to anyone legally here, which whilst their application is being processed they are.

Whether they ought to be regarded as asylum seekers is an entirely separate debate. Whilst they are these claims are 100% disinformation.
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Videos like that are designed to wind people up who won't look beyond the emotion they're designed to stir, people who are looking to be triggered by seeing their existing bias confirmed, people who the likes of Christy know won't look for context, nuance or any verified facts.

UK Goverment have a legal obligation to accomodate and feed those seeking asylum, while their claim is processed. However, the majority of legal support, training, language assistance, clothing, and certainly mobile phones, comes from charitable sources. They don't get priority on social housing or the NHS. No-one in the UK gets benefits without a National Insurance number.

No-one is living a 4 star hotel lifestyle because they are no longer 4 star hotels.

They're hostels, all "luxury" removed, no pools or gyms, no concierge sourced prossies or minibar, and only taken into service in the first place because they are a quick way to get hold of ready made rooms, showers and toilets. The Epping court decision was based on the administrative error of not getting this fact of change of use recorded under planning law.

If you're angry that some poor sod, very possibly educated or skilled, is sitting around bored for months on end, sharing a room with a stranger, and unable to work for his keep, you'll be pleased to know that so is he.

If you are daft enough to think that an asylum seeker is any more predisposed to criminal behaviour than the people standing outside hurling abuse then there's not much hope for you. 40% of the people arrested in last-summer's riot's had form for domestic abuse

If you're daft enough to buy the "young men of fighting age" line ask yourself why they don't use the line, "young men of working age". It's because it's designed to push buttons, not rational thought.

Any idea that the motivation behind these current demos is the protection of women and kids is for the birds. It's politically motivated grift, very often from the same clowns like Jenrick and Philp that created the issue. But the people that will end up in trouble for chucking rocks over it won't be the ones stoking it, it'll be those that bite.

There were no recorded dinghy crossings before 2017. Before that the issue was much smaller and more usually involved lorries, we now get fewer lorries from the continent and any remaining legal routes to asylum were all deliberately cut.

We no longer know when people have been previously refused asylum in Europe, prior to Brexit anyone refused asylum anywhere in the EU was automatically blocked from claiming it in the UK. Brexit took that information away and that means people have a second bite at the cherry so more people target the UK than before.

The clowns responsible for all of this, Jenrick, Badenoch, Johnson, Philp, Patel, Badenoch, Farage, Tice, Gove etc all tell you they're the solution. Truth is they are the catalyst.

Christy is a grifter, if you take him or any of his kind at face value you're being mugged.
 
HughReds said:
Videos like that are designed to wind people up who won't look beyond the emotion they're designed to stir, people who are looking to be triggered by seeing their existing bias confirmed, people who the likes of Christy know won't look for context, nuance or any verified facts.

UK Goverment have a legal obligation to accomodate and feed those seeking asylum, while their claim is processed. However, the majority of legal support, training, language assistance, clothing, and certainly mobile phones, comes from charitable sources. They don't get priority on social housing or the NHS. No-one in the UK gets benefits without a National Insurance number.

No-one is living a 4 star hotel lifestyle because they are no longer 4 star hotels.

They're hostels, all "luxury" removed, no pools or gyms, no concierge sourced prossies or minibar, and only taken into service in the first place because they are a quick way to get hold of ready made rooms, showers and toilets. The Epping court decision was based on the administrative error of not getting this fact of change of use recorded under planning law.

If you're angry that some poor sod, very possibly educated or skilled, is sitting around bored for months on end, sharing a room with a stranger, and unable to work for his keep, you'll be pleased to know that so is he.

If you are daft enough to think that an asylum seeker is any more predisposed to criminal behaviour than the people standing outside hurling abuse then there's not much hope for you. 40% of the people arrested in last-summer's riot's had form for domestic abuse

If you're daft enough to buy the "young men of fighting age" line ask yourself why they don't use the line, "young men of working age". It's because it's designed to push buttons, not rational thought.

Any idea that the motivation behind these current demos is the protection of women and kids is for the birds. It's politically motivated grift, very often from the same clowns like Jenrick and Philp that created the issue. But the people that will end up in trouble for chucking rocks over it won't be the ones stoking it, it'll be those that bite.

There were no recorded dinghy crossings before 2017. Before that the issue was much smaller and more usually involved lorries, we now get fewer lorries from the continent and any remaining legal routes to asylum were all deliberately cut.

We no longer know when people have been previously refused asylum in Europe, prior to Brexit anyone refused asylum anywhere in the EU was automatically blocked from claiming it in the UK. Brexit took that information away and that means people have a second bite at the cherry so more people target the UK than before.

The clowns responsible for all of this, Jenrick, Badenoch, Johnson, Philp, Patel, Badenoch, Farage, Tice, Gove etc all tell you they're the solution. Truth is they are the catalyst.

Christy is a grifter, if you take him or any of his kind at face value you're being mugged.
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Oh dear, another one ...
 
HughReds said:
Videos like that are designed to wind people up who won't look beyond the emotion they're designed to stir, people who are looking to be triggered by seeing their existing bias confirmed, people who the likes of Christy know won't look for context, nuance or any verified facts.

UK Goverment have a legal obligation to accomodate and feed those seeking asylum, while their claim is processed. However, the majority of legal support, training, language assistance, clothing, and certainly mobile phones, comes from charitable sources. They don't get priority on social housing or the NHS. No-one in the UK gets benefits without a National Insurance number.

No-one is living a 4 star hotel lifestyle because they are no longer 4 star hotels.

They're hostels, all "luxury" removed, no pools or gyms, no concierge sourced prossies or minibar, and only taken into service in the first place because they are a quick way to get hold of ready made rooms, showers and toilets. The Epping court decision was based on the administrative error of not getting this fact of change of use recorded under planning law.

If you're angry that some poor sod, very possibly educated or skilled, is sitting around bored for months on end, sharing a room with a stranger, and unable to work for his keep, you'll be pleased to know that so is he.

If you are daft enough to think that an asylum seeker is any more predisposed to criminal behaviour than the people standing outside hurling abuse then there's not much hope for you. 40% of the people arrested in last-summer's riot's had form for domestic abuse

If you're daft enough to buy the "young men of fighting age" line ask yourself why they don't use the line, "young men of working age". It's because it's designed to push buttons, not rational thought.

Any idea that the motivation behind these current demos is the protection of women and kids is for the birds. It's politically motivated grift, very often from the same clowns like Jenrick and Philp that created the issue. But the people that will end up in trouble for chucking rocks over it won't be the ones stoking it, it'll be those that bite.

There were no recorded dinghy crossings before 2017. Before that the issue was much smaller and more usually involved lorries, we now get fewer lorries from the continent and any remaining legal routes to asylum were all deliberately cut.

We no longer know when people have been previously refused asylum in Europe, prior to Brexit anyone refused asylum anywhere in the EU was automatically blocked from claiming it in the UK. Brexit took that information away and that means people have a second bite at the cherry so more people target the UK than before.

The clowns responsible for all of this, Jenrick, Badenoch, Johnson, Philp, Patel, Badenoch, Farage, Tice, Gove etc all tell you they're the solution. Truth is they are the catalyst.

Christy is a grifter, if you take him or any of his kind at face value you're being mugged.
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Thank you for your input, fella. I could say that your opinion omits quite a few details that don’t make ‘the left’ look too good.
If you are happy that people who cannot prove who they are entering the country by illegal means, then that is your choice.
If you are happy that people who have different beliefs to us entering the country by illegal means, then again that is your choice. Many on here don’t have the same opinion.
So, in your world I assume none of these events would get reported and the public wouldn’t be troubled by any of the events that GB news reports,and which the other news channels eventually have to report on. Any rape, sexual assault, machete attack or whatever just never happened because you would not allow it to be known. 1984 must be your bible.
 
HughReds said:
Videos like that are designed to wind people up who won't look beyond the emotion they're designed to stir, people who are looking to be triggered by seeing their existing bias confirmed, people who the likes of Christy know won't look for context, nuance or any verified facts.

UK Goverment have a legal obligation to accomodate and feed those seeking asylum, while their claim is processed. However, the majority of legal support, training, language assistance, clothing, and certainly mobile phones, comes from charitable sources. They don't get priority on social housing or the NHS. No-one in the UK gets benefits without a National Insurance number.

No-one is living a 4 star hotel lifestyle because they are no longer 4 star hotels.

They're hostels, all "luxury" removed, no pools or gyms, no concierge sourced prossies or minibar, and only taken into service in the first place because they are a quick way to get hold of ready made rooms, showers and toilets. The Epping court decision was based on the administrative error of not getting this fact of change of use recorded under planning law.

If you're angry that some poor sod, very possibly educated or skilled, is sitting around bored for months on end, sharing a room with a stranger, and unable to work for his keep, you'll be pleased to know that so is he.

If you are daft enough to think that an asylum seeker is any more predisposed to criminal behaviour than the people standing outside hurling abuse then there's not much hope for you. 40% of the people arrested in last-summer's riot's had form for domestic abuse

If you're daft enough to buy the "young men of fighting age" line ask yourself why they don't use the line, "young men of working age". It's because it's designed to push buttons, not rational thought.

Any idea that the motivation behind these current demos is the protection of women and kids is for the birds. It's politically motivated grift, very often from the same clowns like Jenrick and Philp that created the issue. But the people that will end up in trouble for chucking rocks over it won't be the ones stoking it, it'll be those that bite.

There were no recorded dinghy crossings before 2017. Before that the issue was much smaller and more usually involved lorries, we now get fewer lorries from the continent and any remaining legal routes to asylum were all deliberately cut.

We no longer know when people have been previously refused asylum in Europe, prior to Brexit anyone refused asylum anywhere in the EU was automatically blocked from claiming it in the UK. Brexit took that information away and that means people have a second bite at the cherry so more people target the UK than before.

The clowns responsible for all of this, Jenrick, Badenoch, Johnson, Philp, Patel, Badenoch, Farage, Tice, Gove etc all tell you they're the solution. Truth is they are the catalyst.

Christy is a grifter, if you take him or any of his kind at face value you're being mugged.
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Blimey, if you're planning a trip to Selhurst on Sunday I'd keep a low profile if I were you.

Most of us don't like the fact that our country is being swamped with illegal immigrants from all over the world.........and we're not all that keen on anything to do with Nottingham Forest right now either.
 
HughReds said:
Videos like that are designed to wind people up who won't look beyond the emotion they're designed to stir, people who are looking to be triggered by seeing their existing bias confirmed, people who the likes of Christy know won't look for context, nuance or any verified facts.

UK Goverment have a legal obligation to accomodate and feed those seeking asylum, while their claim is processed. However, the majority of legal support, training, language assistance, clothing, and certainly mobile phones, comes from charitable sources. They don't get priority on social housing or the NHS. No-one in the UK gets benefits without a National Insurance number.

No-one is living a 4 star hotel lifestyle because they are no longer 4 star hotels.

They're hostels, all "luxury" removed, no pools or gyms, no concierge sourced prossies or minibar, and only taken into service in the first place because they are a quick way to get hold of ready made rooms, showers and toilets. The Epping court decision was based on the administrative error of not getting this fact of change of use recorded under planning law.

If you're angry that some poor sod, very possibly educated or skilled, is sitting around bored for months on end, sharing a room with a stranger, and unable to work for his keep, you'll be pleased to know that so is he.

If you are daft enough to think that an asylum seeker is any more predisposed to criminal behaviour than the people standing outside hurling abuse then there's not much hope for you. 40% of the people arrested in last-summer's riot's had form for domestic abuse

If you're daft enough to buy the "young men of fighting age" line ask yourself why they don't use the line, "young men of working age". It's because it's designed to push buttons, not rational thought.

Any idea that the motivation behind these current demos is the protection of women and kids is for the birds. It's politically motivated grift, very often from the same clowns like Jenrick and Philp that created the issue. But the people that will end up in trouble for chucking rocks over it won't be the ones stoking it, it'll be those that bite.

There were no recorded dinghy crossings before 2017. Before that the issue was much smaller and more usually involved lorries, we now get fewer lorries from the continent and any remaining legal routes to asylum were all deliberately cut.

We no longer know when people have been previously refused asylum in Europe, prior to Brexit anyone refused asylum anywhere in the EU was automatically blocked from claiming it in the UK. Brexit took that information away and that means people have a second bite at the cherry so more people target the UK than before.

The clowns responsible for all of this, Jenrick, Badenoch, Johnson, Philp, Patel, Badenoch, Farage, Tice, Gove etc all tell you they're the solution. Truth is they are the catalyst.

Christy is a grifter, if you take him or any of his kind at face value you're being mugged.
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They shouldn't be in any accommodation, 4-star or no-star. They shouldn't get any benefits or support whatsoever. People should be congratulated for taking the time to demonstrate wherever criminal immigrants are.
 
Common Sense Club said:
Thank you for your input, fella. I could say that your opinion omits quite a few details that don’t make ‘the left’ look too good.
If you are happy that people who cannot prove who they are entering the country by illegal means, then that is your choice.
If you are happy that people who have different beliefs to us entering the country by illegal means, then again that is your choice. Many on here don’t have the same opinion.
So, in your world I assume none of these events would get reported and the public wouldn’t be troubled by any of the events that GB news reports,and which the other news channels eventually have to report on. Any rape, sexual assault, machete attack or whatever just never happened because you would not allow it to be known. 1984 must be your bible.
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Crimes get reported all the time. It doesn't need the hype, spin and deliberate attempts to wind people up on race grounds that Christy employs. Where was his outrage when 21 white people were caught grooming kids in Wolverhampton ?

For the record GBeebies isn't a news channel.

That's not my opinion, it's their own publicly stated defence whenever they are challenged on their consistent failure to apply basic journalistic standards.
 
georgenorman said:
They shouldn't be in any accommodation, 4-star or no-star. They shouldn't get any benefits or support whatsoever. People should be congratulated for taking the time to demonstrate wherever criminal immigrants are.
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International law says otherwise. Even Braverman accepted that.
 
HughReds said:
Crimes get reported all the time. It doesn't need the hype, spin and deliberate attempts to wind people up on race grounds that Christy employs. Where was his outrage when 21 white people were caught grooming kids in Wolverhampton ?

For the record GBeebies isn't a news channel.

That's not my opinion, it's their own publicly stated defence whenever they are challenged on their consistent failure to apply basic journalistic standards.
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I wonder what the ethnicity of their victims was…
 
HughReds said:
Videos like that are designed to wind people up who won't look beyond the emotion they're designed to stir, people who are looking to be triggered by seeing their existing bias confirmed, people who the likes of Christy know won't look for context, nuance or any verified facts.

UK Goverment have a legal obligation to accomodate and feed those seeking asylum, while their claim is processed. However, the majority of legal support, training, language assistance, clothing, and certainly mobile phones, comes from charitable sources. They don't get priority on social housing or the NHS. No-one in the UK gets benefits without a National Insurance number.

No-one is living a 4 star hotel lifestyle because they are no longer 4 star hotels.

They're hostels, all "luxury" removed, no pools or gyms, no concierge sourced prossies or minibar, and only taken into service in the first place because they are a quick way to get hold of ready made rooms, showers and toilets. The Epping court decision was based on the administrative error of not getting this fact of change of use recorded under planning law.

If you're angry that some poor sod, very possibly educated or skilled, is sitting around bored for months on end, sharing a room with a stranger, and unable to work for his keep, you'll be pleased to know that so is he.

If you are daft enough to think that an asylum seeker is any more predisposed to criminal behaviour than the people standing outside hurling abuse then there's not much hope for you. 40% of the people arrested in last-summer's riot's had form for domestic abuse

If you're daft enough to buy the "young men of fighting age" line ask yourself why they don't use the line, "young men of working age". It's because it's designed to push buttons, not rational thought.

Any idea that the motivation behind these current demos is the protection of women and kids is for the birds. It's politically motivated grift, very often from the same clowns like Jenrick and Philp that created the issue. But the people that will end up in trouble for chucking rocks over it won't be the ones stoking it, it'll be those that bite.

There were no recorded dinghy crossings before 2017. Before that the issue was much smaller and more usually involved lorries, we now get fewer lorries from the continent and any remaining legal routes to asylum were all deliberately cut.

We no longer know when people have been previously refused asylum in Europe, prior to Brexit anyone refused asylum anywhere in the EU was automatically blocked from claiming it in the UK. Brexit took that information away and that means people have a second bite at the cherry so more people target the UK than before.

The clowns responsible for all of this, Jenrick, Badenoch, Johnson, Philp, Patel, Badenoch, Farage, Tice, Gove etc all tell you they're the solution. Truth is they are the catalyst.

Christy is a grifter, if you take him or any of his kind at face value you're being mugged.
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Well done. That's the longest load of crap I've seen on here for a while.

If you think that illegal immigrants coming in an endless stream to this country is not a big problem, then you are the mug.
And if you are a Forest fan, what are you doing on here anyway?
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
We can start with all of it!

They aren’t illegal immigrants! They are asylum seekers. So it’s all untrue.

If you want more they aren’t given priority access to social housing. They are treated no differently to anyone else. They aren’t given mobile phones. Access to health care and dentistry is free to anyone legally here, which whilst their application is being processed they are.

Whether they ought to be regarded as asylum seekers is an entirely separate debate. Whilst they are these claims are 100% disinformation.
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What a load of tosh. I cannot even be bothered to reply but you’re wrong on all counts.

You clearly want these illegals here and as much immigration as possible. You have zero allegiance to this country.
 
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