Here we go, blatant two tier judiciary

Teddy Eagle said:
More likely to be a 22 year old asking, "is it true that some people were supporting all this when it started in this country"?
It probably won't be a pub quiz anyway at the rate they're closing.
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Sounds like a call to arms for us to keep the pub trade going single handedly, Ted.
 
Stirlingsays said:
The real stereotype is that you think our opinions are shaped by others. I mean, like anyone else I have influences but life itself has taught me far more than any person on the Internet.

I see this on the left all the time.

It's part of their inability to understand the right wing mind.

However, when you actually look at which groups are most obsessed by and indeed led by group think and the need for consensus and approval from others it's much more the left.
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To follow on my last reply to Ted, this conversation would genuinely be a great one to have in the pub.
 
Stirlingsays said:
Something else that this country is seeing disappear up the swanny.
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Why the pub is going down the swanny has far more to do with costs, big breweries and changes in lifestyle rather than immigration. The new Labour policies are killing them further too.

Almost worth a thread in its own right, a couple of mates are landlords/run music venues.
 
Teddy Eagle said:
This is from the Independent.

The jury also heard a medical report by experts from the prosecution and defence agreed that Jones “suffers from a number of neurodivergent challenges” – including “impaired verbal comprehension potentially leading to misunderstanding the impact of his words” and “slower cognitive processing meaning he may not have
evaluated the situation in real time”.

This being the case it can only be a matter of time before he has another unfortunate outburst.
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So how the f*** is he allowed to work in public service?
 
DanH said:
Why the pub is going down the swanny has far more to do with costs, big breweries and changes in lifestyle rather than immigration. The new Labour policies are killing them further too.

Almost worth a thread in its own right, a couple of mates are landlords/run music venues.
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I'm citing it as an example of societal decline rather than something to do with immigration.

You have immigration on the brain. 🙂
 
DanH said:
Will probably be jogged as a memory when the quiz question in 20 years time is ‘who were the 50 something year old terminally online white blokes who thought the entire system was rigged against them because of bollocks they watched from grifters on the internet in the 2020s’
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Eventually the question will just end when the bold bit stops. Or keep the whole and it says the same. Where white man gone?
 
DanH said:
Why the pub is going down the swanny has far more to do with costs, big breweries and changes in lifestyle rather than immigration. The new Labour policies are killing them further too.

Almost worth a thread in its own right, a couple of mates are landlords/run music venues.
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I no longer drink but meet up with my mates once a week. The price of a pint is ridiculous now so my guess is that young people will swerve it. The pub used to be the social centre for that local area but Wetherspoons put paid to that. Whilst it is cheap(er) it is impersonal and they don't even want you to stand at the bar.

We have found a pub that is still a local and the landlords knows our names but they are few and far between. Once you take away that "local" feel to a pub where "everybody knows your name" there is very little reason to go there.

Personally I hate Wetherspoons, because I am sober, the ones near me are just full of dirty smelly old men (daytime drinkers) slowly drinking themselves to death. That is not an appealing retirement for me.

They can cut booze taxes but unless you can bring back that local feel people just wont go. Because Wetherspoons is like McDonalds I expect we will see self service in the next few years just as you do at M's.

I can't explain it clearly, but emotionally there is something about walking into a "local" to be greeted by the landlord using your name or drink (name) and hopefully a few others customers giving you a nod of recognition. You don't get that in Spoons.

The times they are a changing.
 
Stirlingsays said:
Tis cool.

I'm sure we could wrangle immigration into it somehow.

To be serious though the decline of the pub....and you're right it's multi-factored....it's definitely not a good thing.
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There are some areas where immigration is a bigger factor in pubs closing, and I think immigration makes the closure of pubs more permanent even if it wasn’t the only factor to begin with, but it was a factor.

Go to predominantly white areas and some of them don’t have the same amount of pubs but some still have quite a few. And I’m not just talking about affluent areas, where actually they can be empty a lot of the time. Go to non white areas without the postgraduates and you won’t find a pub.
 
Badger11 said:
I no longer drink but meet up with my mates once a week. The price of a pint is ridiculous now so my guess is that young people will swerve it. The pub used to be the social centre for that local area but Wetherspoons put paid to that. Whilst it is cheap(er) it is impersonal and they don't even want you to stand at the bar.

We have found a pub that is still a local and the landlords knows our names but they are few and far between. Once you take away that "local" feel to a pub where "everybody knows your name" there is very little reason to go there.

Personally I hate Wetherspoons, because I am sober, the ones near me are just full of dirty smelly old men (daytime drinkers) slowly drinking themselves to death. That is not an appealing retirement for me.

They can cut booze taxes but unless you can bring back that local feel people just wont go. Because Wetherspoons is like McDonalds I expect we will see self service in the next few years just as you do at M's.

I can't explain it clearly, but emotionally there is something about walking into a "local" to be greeted by the landlord using your name or drink (name) and hopefully a few others customers giving you a nod of recognition. You don't get that in Spoons.

The times they are a changing.
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Entirely agree Badger. Where I live we have a local where, to coin a phrase, everybody knows your name but when I meet friends in Glasgow or Edinburgh we go to Wetherspoons for purely financial reasons. Yes they're soulless places but £30/£35 in there is the same as £60/£70 in city centre pubs and London is dearer than that. Some 'spoons are better than others; they range from stabby to, well, not so stabby. Not really but some are a bit dodgy.
 
Teddy Eagle said:
Entirely agree Badger. Where I live we have a local where, to coin a phrase, everybody knows your name but when I meet friends in Glasgow or Edinburgh we go to Wetherspoons for purely financial reasons. Yes they're soulless places but £30/£35 in there is the same as £60/£70 in city centre pubs and London is dearer than that. Some 'spoons are better than others; they range from stabby to, well, not so stabby. Not really but some are a bit dodgy.
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Which Spoons aren’t so good? Wallington is okay and Purley was before it closed. Never went in the Redhill one. South End Croydon was okay. George Street I haven’t been for a long time and I bet it’s closed.
 
Rudi Hedman said:
Which Spoons aren’t so good? Wallington is okay and Purley was before it closed. Never went in the Redhill one. South End Croydon was okay. George Street I haven’t been for a long time and I bet it’s closed.
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I'm talking about Scotland, more Glasgow where to be fair some of the local boozers can be a bit more dodgy than 'spoons. Luckily they're usually in places visitors aren't likely to go.
 
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