Everyone should listen to Penge.
Here we go, blatant two tier judiciary
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Everyone should listen to Penge.
Perhaps but more likely scared stiff. Because it was televised the public knew who was on the jury as they were mainly black and lived in black areas, what would you have done?
As a black friend at the time pointed out, after the trial they have to go back and live in those communities. It's why trials like that should never be televised, jury names should be secret and especially how they vote.
Data about convictions rates by court is deliberately hidden but I remember a journalist who had done some research into several courts which were notorious for not guilty verdicts. From memory one was in Liverpool the other in London their conviction rates were massively below the average.
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sorry mate. Its like getting the wrong change at a funfair. You could ascribe it to a harmless error, and random chance. But after ten 'mistakes' that all work to the favour of the vendor....only a fool would still believe in fairness.
Two Tier Justice,.....not just a paranoid rambling of a conspiracy theorist.
Anybody got any updates on the health of the policewoman who got battered at Manchester Airport ?
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Should have said councillor!
The blessing of this verdict is that it now offers a simple way to define if somebody is a friend or an enemy.
That is why it is of such importance. You think all is well because he was found not guilty? Then you are one of them. You think it an utter travesty? One of us. We can disagree about all sorts but on this single issue, then a pivot point on the friend/enemy definition.
This language really isn’t helpful.
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Isn't helpful to whom?
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Ar mhaith leat cabhair i dteanga eile ?
If you really want to see Two Tier justice at the extreme, see the link below. If a fiction writer produced that, you would declare it too fantastical to ever believe.
Wanna know what it feels like to be a second-class citizen ? in your own country ? look to the history books.
Christians in Moorish Andalucia circa 800 AD, Nepalese natives today, Jews in North Africa, Native Americans, Germans in the Occupied Rhineland circa 1930, Cubans before the Fidel Castro revolution, Romanians under Nicolae Ceaucescau.........Two Tier has a long and ignominious history.
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Dan, do you accept the "two tier" examples I raise? Or happy to ignore?
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In our own country....as well.
I don’t understand why she wasn’t granted bail, for sure. I disagree in general with anyone who clearly isn’t a danger to the public being locked up and wasting scare prison space so seems a bit crazy.
I have a lot more sympathy for your position than everyone else who thinks the entire thing is one big government stitch up. At least you get how it works.
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'Innocent' minded Dan can't understand why she wasn't granted bail.
Funny that.....None of them were.
But lefty Jones was.
As Matov said, 'friend/enemy' distinction....old as the hills.
Maybe we should jog Dan's memory of PM Starmer's words at the time for an insight as to why some weren't offered bail.
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Funny that.....None of them were.
But lefty Jones was.
As Matov said, 'friend/enemy' distinction....old as the hills.
Maybe we should jog Dan's memory of PM Starmer's words at the time for an insight as to why some weren't offered bail.
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I have plenty of friends whose politics I don’t agree with. I certainly don’t see them as ‘enemies’ just because we don’t see eye to eye on certain issues.
The polarisation of politics and increasingly binary nature of it is just creating an ‘us and them’ chasm between people (both sides guilty of doing it). Nothing in the world or in life is black or white, it’s far more complex and nuanced in nearly every respect. Not many major issues have a simple cause, effect and solution.
It’s fine to disagree on quite major issues and still get on with someone and not see them as an ‘enemy’. I know I would get on with the vast majority of you on here over a pint.
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proprietary ownership has always been a troublesome and tenuous matter. Reminds me of 'The Sopranos' where Silvio grabs the pretty girl from the house of the other mafia bloke with the wig. Silvio reminding her to get back to work cos 'thats not your pv.ssy, its mine until you pay back all your debts''
England has barely belonged to the Anglo-Saxons since the Suez crisis. Owned by banks and other vested interests for decades now. Wanna know who is the boss ? figure out who you cannot criticize nor mock.
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I have some sympathy with both sides here. The government reaction was certainly heavy handed, but they were trying to stamp out wide scale public disorder that could have turned even nastier.
You were applauding Trump’s approach in DC on the US thread and that is a far greater and longer term overreach than this. You seem to be quite comfortable with a heavy handed approach when it suits.
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i have always been a free-speech fair-minded democrat. But ever since the Left got nasty and underhand, i now support those who do the same back at them.
De-platforming, Lawfare, ad hominim attacks, putting pressure on venues to not host certain events, screeching, hypocrisy , rent a crowd, agents-provocateurs, etc etc.
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It sets a very dangerous precedent when you award medals and plaques to those who shoot politicians in the street. Just ask Trump, David Amess or JFK.
Two Tier nominations for heriosm. Your stabbers a scumbag, my stabbers a hero ?
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Stirlingsays
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Spicy.
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It is a stitch-up. Her bail was denied twice and she got a disproportionate sentence!
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I'm not saying you're wrong but the jury system is the best way we can come up with. How a jury is selected is a different question... If it's a racial case then the jury should be very carefully chosen. Maybe it wasn't. There may have been racial bias, but as it stands, we don't know. It's speculation. We do know the judge was certainly left leaning.
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You referring to the heavy hand that never happened in DC?
Maybe I have to remind you Dan, Lucy Connelly and others who made stupid tweets were sent to jail. She wasn't murdering or looting businesses or beating people up in DC.......Trump never did what he threatened anyway, they ended up making a deal with the DA.
No, she made a tweet and your ideological friends have locked her up and destroyed her life for 31 months.....it's a miscarriage and directly lies at the foot of this PM with his direction to the legal system recorded here for all to see.....as were his lies about the 'far right'.
I'm furious at the two tier system.....As I said at the start I wouldn't have locked anyone up who hadn't actually been engaged in violence or damage, including Jones....language isn't violence. But what we see is justice for one and injustice for the other.
Ricky Jones gets to go free after incitement that he justified on something he made up.....They correctly saw that he was talking 'b0llocks'.
Lucy Connelly got 31 months for a tweet in a country and was granted no such common sense because she was deemed someone the state regarded as an enemy.
Sex offenders have been released after spending far less time than that.
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