Time to start doing Business Steve..!!

Steve Parish is the best and most important part of what Palace is now, He saved them from going out of business, with 3 associates, and all though well paid, has delivered, now 13 seasons of football in the hardest league in the world on a virtual shoestring, compared to other clubs finances, with a current squad worth 456m Euros, 200m more than 3 years ago, the current wage bill is 68m, over 20m down from 3 years ago, he is a class act as a businessman.
Oliver Glasner is a decent manager, no more, Coppell is the best we have ever had, yes, i know we won the F.A cup, which is obviously fantastic, but we were very unlucky in 1990 and 2016, we had all the luck against City, which is great, but at the end of the day, Parish will do what he thinks is best for Palace, not for Glasner, and I, for one, am completely happy he is in charge of our club, if Glasner thinks the club is not being run properly or he is to good for Palace, he can do one.
 
rikz said:
We've had 3 months to sort out these issues and the solution is loans ? That's not a solution thats just masking over the cracks and leaving it for another day, we also need competition, not cover, Mitchell has walked into the team for the last 3 years, I belive to his detriment, competition would have improved him as a player.
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Nketiah wasn’t injured 3 months ago was he ?

We spent £25m on him. I don’t think we will spend similar to that while he’s still on the books - potentially that’s why we didn’t match Villas for Guessand.

The Loan Market is there to be used so why not take advantage of it - other clubs do, even the ‘ top ‘ clubs .

Have you ever had a good thing to say about the way the club is run ?
 
Lanzo-Ad said:
Steve Parish is the best and most important part of what Palace is now, He saved them from going out of business, with 3 associates, and all though well paid, has delivered, now 13 seasons of football in the hardest league in the world on a virtual shoestring, compared to other clubs finances, with a current squad worth 456m Euros, 200m more than 3 years ago, the current wage bill is 68m, over 20m down from 3 years ago, he is a class act as a businessman.
Oliver Glasner is a decent manager, no more, Coppell is the best we have ever had, yes, i know we won the F.A cup, which is obviously fantastic, but we were very unlucky in 1990 and 2016, we had all the luck against City, which is great, but at the end of the day, Parish will do what he thinks is best for Palace, not for Glasner, and I, for one, am completely happy he is in charge of our club, if Glasner thinks the club is not being run properly or he is to good for Palace, he can do one.
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Well said !
 
Lanzo-Ad said:
Steve Parish is the best and most important part of what Palace is now, He saved them from going out of business, with 3 associates, and all though well paid, has delivered, now 13 seasons of football in the hardest league in the world on a virtual shoestring, compared to other clubs finances, with a current squad worth 456m Euros, 200m more than 3 years ago, the current wage bill is 68m, over 20m down from 3 years ago, he is a class act as a businessman.
Oliver Glasner is a decent manager, no more, Coppell is the best we have ever had, yes, i know we won the F.A cup, which is obviously fantastic, but we were very unlucky in 1990 and 2016, we had all the luck against City, which is great, but at the end of the day, Parish will do what he thinks is best for Palace, not for Glasner, and I, for one, am completely happy he is in charge of our club, if Glasner thinks the club is not being run properly or he is to good for Palace, he can do one.
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Granted. Things are looking better than 2010, certainly. He has the best first 11 and best manager since then. Coppell and the final that could and should have been was 35 years ago, history. What is important today is where Parish sees it going from here on in, particularly after finally having actually won something. Hopes have been raised, will Palace climb another rung in the Premiership ladder or will the steady improvement since 2010 be frittered away? We have to wait and see.
 
NEILLO said:
Nketiah wasn’t injured 3 months ago was he ?

We spent £25m on him. I don’t think we will spend similar to that while he’s still on the books - potentially that’s why we didn’t match Villas for Guessand.

The Loan Market is there to be used so why not take advantage of it - other clubs do, even the ‘ top ‘ clubs .

Have you ever had a good thing to say about the way the club is run ?
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The loan market should be used as a last resort, your back up keeper gets injured in pre season, go get one on loan.
Im not expecting to spend 25 million on a replacement for a player who's out for 6 weeks, but we need to strengthen and we need competition. I remember last season, forest started a game with Hudson odi and elanga on the bench and they were going for top 4, the only position we have genuine competition is central midfield, every other player walks into the team.

I've said plenty of good things about the club, but we can also criticise, the window, the stand redevelopment, the Europa league debacle. All fair criticisms. Plus it's a forum to discuss the club. The seasons not started yet so not really much else to discuss.
 
rikz said:
The loan market should be used as a last resort, your back up keeper gets injured in pre season, go get one on loan.
Im not expecting to spend 25 million on a replacement for a player who's out for 6 weeks, but we need to strengthen and we need competition. I remember last season, forest started a game with Hudson odi and elanga on the bench and they were going for top 4, the only position we have genuine competition is central midfield, every other player walks into the team.

I've said plenty of good things about the club, but we can also criticise, the window, the stand redevelopment, the Europa league debacle. All fair criticisms. Plus it's a forum to discuss the club. The seasons not started yet so not really much else to discuss.
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Window not yet shut is it

I’ve never known you say anything positive about the club and to be frank I value your opinions as highly as you value mine
 
For me this isn't about whether Parish is a good chairman or Glasner is a good manager.

It's about whether we have a squad capable of competing in , as Glasner, said four competitions this season; of potentially facing 6 games in the next 4 weeks.

As far as I'm concerned we haven't.
I can't pretend to know why this is the case, why we haven't done more.

That observation can be made without criticising Parish or Glasner.

I am concerned about current front 3 options if they
are unavailable for any reason or need resting during games.
Using Devenny or Kamada in the front 3, as we did on occasions last season, won't get us relegated, but it won't get us challenging seriously in competitions either.
They are both good players, but are out of position when pushed further forward.

Finally, it was clear from the press conference that the injured players have barely been involved in pre season training.
In other words it's not news, which makes it even more of a mystery why we haven't acted sooner.

That being said it's now in the past, and if we keep the existing team and get a few strong additions, I'll be looking for another positive season.
 
Lanzo-Ad said:
Steve Parish is the best and most important part of what Palace is now, He saved them from going out of business, with 3 associates, and all though well paid, has delivered, now 13 seasons of football in the hardest league in the world on a virtual shoestring, compared to other clubs finances, with a current squad worth 456m Euros, 200m more than 3 years ago, the current wage bill is 68m, over 20m down from 3 years ago, he is a class act as a businessman.
Oliver Glasner is a decent manager, no more, Coppell is the best we have ever had, yes, i know we won the F.A cup, which is obviously fantastic, but we were very unlucky in 1990 and 2016, we had all the luck against City, which is great, but at the end of the day, Parish will do what he thinks is best for Palace, not for Glasner, and I, for one, am completely happy he is in charge of our club, if Glasner thinks the club is not being run properly or he is to good for Palace, he can do one.
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Well said, but you know that's not enough for some. They appear envious of his wage and money he has made from the club, despite the fact he was a successful businessman before he took over at Palace and would more than likely made just as much, if he continued his previous business.
He is the best thing to happen to Palace, since the arrival of Coppell, he isn't perfect and makes some mistakes, but the good he has done, far outweighs any negatives.
 
PatrickA said:
For me this isn't about whether Parish is a good chairman or Glasner is a good manager.

It's about whether we have a squad capable of competing in , as Glasner, said four competitions this season; of potentially facing 6 games in the next 4 weeks.

As far as I'm concerned we haven't.
I can't pretend to know why this is the case, why we haven't done more.

That observation can be made without criticising Parish or Glasner.

I am concerned about current front 3 options if they
are unavailable for any reason or need resting during games.
Using Devenny or Kamada in the front 3, as we did on occasions last season, won't get us relegated, but it won't get us challenging seriously in competitions either.
They are both good players, but are out of position when pushed further forward.

Finally, it was clear from the press conference that the injured players have barely been involved in pre season training.
In other words it's not news, which makes it even more of a mystery why we haven't acted sooner.

That being said it's now in the past, and if we keep the existing team and get a few strong additions, I'll be looking for another positive season.
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Good post my friend - totally agree..!!

COYP
 
PatrickA said:
For me this isn't about whether Parish is a good chairman or Glasner is a good manager.

It's about whether we have a squad capable of competing in , as Glasner, said four competitions this season; of potentially facing 6 games in the next 4 weeks.

As far as I'm concerned we haven't.
I can't pretend to know why this is the case, why we haven't done more.

That observation can be made without criticising Parish or Glasner.

I am concerned about current front 3 options if they
are unavailable for any reason or need resting during games.
Using Devenny or Kamada in the front 3, as we did on occasions last season, won't get us relegated, but it won't get us challenging seriously in competitions either.
They are both good players, but are out of position when pushed further forward.

Finally, it was clear from the press conference that the injured players have barely been involved in pre season training.
In other words it's not news, which makes it even more of a mystery why we haven't acted sooner.

That being said it's now in the past, and if we keep the existing team and get a few strong additions, I'll be looking for another positive season.
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I cant believe we have all this negativity before the window has closed, after that yes, Glasner has no input into the finances of the club, it doesn't matter what he wants, is what is available and when, if the window closes and nobody has arrived or even worse players have left, then is the time for answers
 
Lanzo-Ad said:
I cant believe we have all this negativity before the window has closed, after that yes, Glasner has no input into the finances of the club, it doesn't matter what he wants, is what is available and when, if the window closes and nobody has arrived or even worse players have left, then is the time for answers
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If it didn’t matter what Glasner wanted, we wouldn’t have Lacroix, as Glasner was instrumental in him signing.

I don’t feel negative about the season at all.

I feel we could have been better prepared for this season, but that is just an observation that of course people are free to, and will, disagree with.
 
NEILLO said:
Window not yet shut is it

I’ve never known you say anything positive about the club and to be frank I value your opinions as highly as you value mine
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Go back and read my posts then, I've said parish is the best thats ever happened to this club, there's no other person I'd want as chairman, just discussing whether our transfer window so far has been good enough, it hasn't, you can use little buzzwords like articulate, as if your opinion is far superior to others. I could give you numerous reasons why we lose games, it doesn't matter, all that matters is the result.
 
PatrickA said:
If it didn’t matter what Glasner wanted, we wouldn’t have Lacroix, as Glasner was instrumental in him signing.

I don’t feel negative about the season at all.

I feel we could have been better prepared for this season, but that is just an observation that of course people are free to, and will, disagree with.
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Lacroix was bought by a recommendation, watched by Freedman, then Parish gave the OK, because he was available and within our price range, and bought on DEADLINE DAY!
 
Lanzo-Ad said:
Steve Parish is the best and most important part of what Palace is now, He saved them from going out of business, with 3 associates, and all though well paid, has delivered, now 13 seasons of football in the hardest league in the world on a virtual shoestring, compared to other clubs finances, with a current squad worth 456m Euros, 200m more than 3 years ago, the current wage bill is 68m, over 20m down from 3 years ago, he is a class act as a businessman.
Oliver Glasner is a decent manager, no more, Coppell is the best we have ever had, yes, i know we won the F.A cup, which is obviously fantastic, but we were very unlucky in 1990 and 2016, we had all the luck against City, which is great, but at the end of the day, Parish will do what he thinks is best for Palace, not for Glasner, and I, for one, am completely happy he is in charge of our club, if Glasner thinks the club is not being run properly or he is to good for Palace, he can do one.
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Sadly history is not what defines us, it is the future and what we do now to secure that future, is without doubt the most important. Whilst everything you have said about the past is correct. SP has his faults not least when it come to succession planning. It is quite ridiculous that we have not learnt from the past and as a consequence we have had another pre-season not knowing who will still be here and who may come in, come the end of this window in a few days time. Who is our recruitment replacement for Dougie for example. It's well known and has been widely published that Dougie would leave at the end of June. How on earth are we going to strengthen the team in the time we have left. This is especially important because at least two of our key players may possibly be leaving this window (Guehi and Eze) and now we have little time left for succession planning it's no wonder and not at all a surprise that the Manger is ready to throw in the towel.

Have we have not learnt anything from the past mistakes when Zaha was allowed to walk on a free. Currently that process may repeat itself as it is a possibility that could happen again, but this time with Guehi.

SP has clearly put a lot of time and effort in to this UEFA appeal, but is that the right judgement and the best use of his time, surely the futures of the team and Manager are much more important, after all, this difficulty only came about because of an administrative mixup within the Palace admin team and in the bigger picture, does it really matter whether we play in the Europa or Conference league, in all probability and with our thin squad we are more likely to struggle anyway.

As for comparing Managers from different era's it is just not possible to accurately say who the better manager is, the game today is vastly different from the time SC was in charge. What I do know is that OG trophy cabinet is much fuller than that of SC in his era as a football manager.

My concern is, that without proper ongoing investment in the players required to keep us at this level we will follow Stoke who after a prolonged period in the top flight drifted away, due to lack of investment and are currently stuck in the Championship with little chance of coming back up as things stand.
 
Lanzo-Ad said:
Lacroix was bought by a recommendation, watched by Freedman, then Parish gave the OK, because he was available and within our price range, and bought on DEADLINE DAY!
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He was bought on Glasner's personal recommendation, having worked with him before .
Glasner mentioned how he spoke to Lacroix to get him to join at the time.
Enough attempts to reinvent history.
You don't like Glasner, I understand, but to try and change the facts is bizarre.
 
Lanzo-Ad said:
Steve Parish is the best and most important part of what Palace is now, He saved them from going out of business, with 3 associates, and all though well paid, has delivered, now 13 seasons of football in the hardest league in the world on a virtual shoestring, compared to other clubs finances, with a current squad worth 456m Euros, 200m more than 3 years ago, the current wage bill is 68m, over 20m down from 3 years ago, he is a class act as a businessman.
Oliver Glasner is a decent manager, no more, Coppell is the best we have ever had, yes, i know we won the F.A cup, which is obviously fantastic, but we were very unlucky in 1990 and 2016, we had all the luck against City, which is great, but at the end of the day, Parish will do what he thinks is best for Palace, not for Glasner, and I, for one, am completely happy he is in charge of our club, if Glasner thinks the club is not being run properly or he is to good for Palace, he can do one.
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Really well put - thank you- exactly what I was thinking - just couldn’t put it in words 🙂
 
Lanzo-Ad said:
Steve Parish is the best and most important part of what Palace is now, He saved them from going out of business, with 3 associates, and all though well paid, has delivered, now 13 seasons of football in the hardest league in the world on a virtual shoestring, compared to other clubs finances, with a current squad worth 456m Euros, 200m more than 3 years ago, the current wage bill is 68m, over 20m down from 3 years ago, he is a class act as a businessman.
Oliver Glasner is a decent manager, no more, Coppell is the best we have ever had, yes, i know we won the F.A cup, which is obviously fantastic, but we were very unlucky in 1990 and 2016, we had all the luck against City, which is great, but at the end of the day, Parish will do what he thinks is best for Palace, not for Glasner, and I, for one, am completely happy he is in charge of our club, if Glasner thinks the club is not being run properly or he is to good for Palace, he can do one.
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Awful take I can’t believe you actually put this on here. A manager who won our first ever major trophy and then saying he ain’t the best manager that we have ever had really shows your football knowledge tbh
 
Den1923 said:
Sadly history is not what defines us, it is the future and what we do now to secure that future, is without doubt the most important. Whilst everything you have said about the past is correct. SP has his faults not least when it come to succession planning. It is quite ridiculous that we have not learnt from the past and as a consequence we have had another pre-season not knowing who will still be here and who may come in, come the end of this window in a few days time. Who is our recruitment replacement for Dougie for example. It's well known and has been widely published that Dougie would leave at the end of June. How on earth are we going to strengthen the team in the time we have left. This is especially important because at least two of our key players may possibly be leaving this window (Guehi and Eze) and now we have little time left for succession planning it's no wonder and not at all a surprise that the Manger is ready to throw in the towel.

Have we have not learnt anything from the past mistakes when Zaha was allowed to walk on a free. Currently that process may repeat itself as it is a possibility that could happen again, but this time with Guehi.

SP has clearly put a lot of time and effort in to this UEFA appeal, but is that the right judgement and the best use of his time, surely the futures of the team and Manager are much more important, after all, this difficulty only came about because of an administrative mixup within the Palace admin team and in the bigger picture, does it really matter whether we play in the Europa or Conference league, in all probability and with our thin squad we are more likely to struggle anyway.

As for comparing Managers from different era's it is just not possible to accurately say who the better manager is, the game today is vastly different from the time SC was in charge. What I do know is that OG trophy cabinet is much fuller than that of SC in his era as a football manager.

My concern is, that without proper ongoing investment in the players required to keep us at this level we will follow Stoke who after a prolonged period in the top flight drifted away, due to lack of investment and are currently stuck in the Championship with little chance of coming back up as things stand.
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Great post my friend - totally agree..!!

Watching the Community Shield now - Kamada just gone off - another injury..!!

Our squad is now really threadbare..!!

Been calling this for weeks..!!
 
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