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Stirlingsays said:
Yep, it was an unspoken known that the length of the moustache equated to pen1s length.

Suggesting you had an elephant trunk down your trousers would have been deadly.

And pretty painful for your backside if Ernst Röhm were in the room.
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Judging by that, it is clear why Hitler lost the Battle of the Bulge.
 
CPFCSaturn said:
The Crime Survey of England & Wales, which is the only validated crime level measurement, shows violent crime has plunged since 2010.

It’s researchers recently concluded:

"Over the past 25yrs, serious violence in England and Wales has decreased substantially. This message needs to be much better known... Fear of violence, often stoked by reports of rare tragic violent events, corrodes individual and community wellbeing."

Of course Farage and those whose entire pitch is dependent on convincing people of ‘Lawless Britain’ rejects the finding of the survey, whose results are produced by surveying tens of thousands of households, rather than relying on crimes reported (or not reported) to the police.

As with any data, the survey is not perfect, but I do think this lawlessness stuff is overstated - anecdotally, it seems like shoplifting has become more common in recent years. View attachment 1673
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And the definition of serious crime has changed. Tweets are serious but gang rape and grooming probably middle of the road now
 
cryrst said:
Well if they categorised what a serious crime was then and is now I might believe it so not irrelevant at all. In 2020 I don’t recall jail for tweets do you ?
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It is completely irrelevant.

The survey does not remotely relate to definitions of crime or ‘jail for tweets’.

Just try reading what’s been said before you reel off whatever soundbite feels most appropriate.
 
CPFCSaturn said:
It is completely irrelevant.

The survey does not remotely relate to definitions of crime or ‘jail for tweets’.

Just try reading what’s been said before you reel off whatever soundbite feels most appropriate.
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How can you go out on the streets or see the daily news and think that Britain is somehow getting better?

You need to get your head out of your arse.
 
CPFCSaturn said:
Absolutely there are still neighbourhoods where you’d want to be on your guard, but overwhelmingly places like Hackney are much safer than they used to be.
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That's because the city and business district, the square mile, has expanded out eastwards I was in bethnal green in 1991 and it was dodgy as f***, went back about 20 years later and was staying in a nice hotel as if it was cannon street. Totally different.
 
cryrst said:
Ok for the hard of understanding
Who determines what is or isn’t a serious crime ?
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It seems to be you who finds things hard to understand.

Crime isn’t classified like that. Parliament determines what is illegal and passes the appropriate laws. The CPS, using centuries of experience, determine which acts are to be prosecuted and whether the evidence is sufficient to result in a conviction, or if the public interest is such that it needs to be tried despite any doubts they might have.

Whether anything is serious depends on individual perceptions.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
It seems to be you who finds things hard to understand.

Crime isn’t classified like that. Parliament determines what is illegal and passes the appropriate laws. The CPS, using centuries of experience, determine which acts are to be prosecuted and whether the evidence is sufficient to result in a conviction, or if the public interest is such that it needs to be tried despite any doubts they might have.

Whether anything is serious depends on individual perceptions.
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There are three categories of crime.
Summary Offences: low level driving offences, drunk & disorderly, etc.
Either Way Offences: Fraud, assault, theft, etc.
Indictable Offences: Murder, rape, robbery, etc.
How do individual perceptions come into it?
 
Teddy Eagle said:
There are three categories of crime.
Summary Offences: low level driving offences, drunk & disorderly, etc.
Either Way Offences: Fraud, assault, theft, etc.
Indictable Offences: Murder, rape, robbery, etc.
How do individual perceptions come into it?
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Where does non-maintenance of gas appliances come in the list?
 
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Wisbech Eagle said:
It seems to be you who finds things hard to understand.

Crime isn’t classified like that. Parliament determines what is illegal and passes the appropriate laws. The CPS, using centuries of experience, determine which acts are to be prosecuted and whether the evidence is sufficient to result in a conviction, or if the public interest is such that it needs to be tried despite any doubts they might have.

Whether anything is serious depends on individual perceptions.
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Over the past 25yrs, serious violence in England and Wales has decreased substantially

This is the second paragraph. Do you edit your own work or is it stevie wonder ?
 
Teddy Eagle said:
There are three categories of crime.
Summary Offences: low level driving offences, drunk & disorderly, etc.
Either Way Offences: Fraud, assault, theft, etc.
Indictable Offences: Murder, rape, robbery, etc.
How do individual perceptions come into it?
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They are categories, of which there are many more than those ( see here:- https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5a7b9e8040f0b62826a04bc8/offence-classifications.xls).

What is under discussion is the determination of serious. That’s a matter of opinion.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
They are categories, of which there are many more than those ( see here:- https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5a7b9e8040f0b62826a04bc8/offence-classifications.xls).

What is under discussion is the determination of serious. That’s a matter of opinion.
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Whose opinion though. Police, hmg, the company paid to do the survey ?
Ours would differ so who decides what is a serious crime now which may not have been 5 years ago.
Geez it’s like herding 🐈‍⬛ 🐈‍⬛ 🐈‍⬛
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
They are categories, of which there are many more than those ( see here:- https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5a7b9e8040f0b62826a04bc8/offence-classifications.xls).

What is under discussion is the determination of serious. That’s a matter of opinion.
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That's was in 2010.

In England and Wales, criminal offences are broadly categorized into summary offences, either way offences, and indictable-only offences. These categories determine the venue for trial (magistrates' court or Crown Court) and the potential sentencing options.

The determination of seriousness depends on the category into which the offence falls.
 
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