Immigration

[Teddy Eagle]

Gays against Nazis.....?

Now that's one wrestling pay-per-view match that I would sign up for.

And you have to suspect the feeling is probably mutual. Unless there are now kinder and more inclusive Nazis for whom inclusion is a byword which is frankly unlikely.

 

[Rudi Hedman]

Yeah mad what you can do with manipulated data.

Lies, damn lies and statistics.

Thatcher started it in the eighties.

It's hardly rocket science, you change what qualifies from before or create new ways of estimating crime and then wait for people like you to amplify.

And a lot of crime isn’t because what’s the point? It’s a waste of your time.

 

[Badger11]

Isn’t this a massive dichotomy of what people are saying? Places that used to be are nice aren’t and places that weren’t are now gentrified?

London is a mental place of contrasts. You have massive wealth living amongst massive poverty. Not sure that’s a new thing. I genuinely don’t think London is any more or less safe than I’ve known it in my life time.

Yup I don't quite get this either.

Minority people complain about their neighbourhood.

"It's because we are .... they government doesn't care the place is run down and crime infested."

And when somebody finally does improve the area

"It's gentrification local people (minorities) are being driven out by middle class (white) people. "

 

[Badger11]

Yeah mad what you can do with manipulated data.

Lies, damn lies and statistics.

Thatcher started it in the eighties.

It's hardly rocket science, you change what qualifies from before or create new ways of estimating crime and then wait for people like you to amplify.

On a regular basis it seems one police authority or another is caught out not properly reporting crime.

I just don't believe the figures.

 

[Foxy82]

The Crime Survey of England & Wales, which is the only validated crime level measurement, shows violent crime has plunged since 2010.

It’s researchers recently concluded:

"Over the past 25yrs, serious violence in England and Wales has decreased substantially. This message needs to be much better known... Fear of violence, often stoked by reports of rare tragic violent events, corrodes individual and community wellbeing."

Of course Farage and those whose entire pitch is dependent on convincing people of ‘Lawless Britain’ rejects the finding of the survey, whose results are produced by surveying tens of thousands of households, rather than relying on crimes reported (or not reported) to the police.

As with any data, the survey is not perfect, but I do think this lawlessness stuff is overstated - anecdotally, it seems like shoplifting has become more common in recent years. View attachment 1673

Surely recorded crimes is a better measurement than survey-estimated crime numbers?

England and Wales violent crime figures 2025| Statista

There were approximately 1.94 million violence against the person crime offences recorded by the police in England and Wales in 2024/25, compared with almost 2.01 million offences in the previous reporting year.

www.statista.com

 

[Badger11]

Surely recorded crimes is a better measurement than survey-estimated crime numbers?

England and Wales violent crime figures 2025| Statista

There were approximately 1.94 million violence against the person crime offences recorded by the police in England and Wales in 2024/25, compared with almost 2.01 million offences in the previous reporting year.

www.statista.com

What none of these surveys can report is unreported crime.

I know lots of people who simply didn’t bother reporting it to the police as they believe nothing would be done. This becomes a self fulfilling prophesy so crime is far higher than the numbers show.

 

[CPFCSaturn]

What none of these surveys can report is unreported crime.

I know lots of people who simply didn’t bother reporting it to the police as they believe nothing would be done. This becomes a self fulfilling prophesy so crime is far higher than the numbers show.

This is essentially the whole logic behind the survey; as opposed to using reported crime data, it aims to capture unreported crimes as well, by surveying people directly on their experiences, regardless of whether they reported the crime or not.

As with any data, it's not perfect and of course it can be critiqued in terms of findings and methodology, but it does aim to deal with specifically the issue you raise around crime reporting.

 

[CPFCSaturn]

Surely recorded crimes is a better measurement than survey-estimated crime numbers?

England and Wales violent crime figures 2025| Statista

There were approximately 1.94 million violence against the person crime offences recorded by the police in England and Wales in 2024/25, compared with almost 2.01 million offences in the previous reporting year.

www.statista.com

Of course, recorded crime numbers are also very relevant to the discussion - I talked a bit above why the survey exists alongside the reported numbers.

As others have alluded to, definitions of crimes, the types of crimes recorded and indeed how likely people are to report crimes are all very impactful in these sort of data sets.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Isn’t this a massive dichotomy of what people are saying? Places that used to be are nice aren’t and places that weren’t are now gentrified?

London is a mental place of contrasts. You have massive wealth living amongst massive poverty. Not sure that’s a new thing. I genuinely don’t think London is any more or less safe than I’ve known it in my life time.

Purely subjectively I would say it's less safe purely because of the seriousness of the violence. Fifty years ago there was always the threat of getting beaten up but not of being stabbed.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

Obviously you know, since it’s not rocket science, that this survey is neither new nor reliant on any new methodology.

But ‘people like you’ are not interested in data which might challenge your existing beliefs, so it’s easier to dismiss it all as lies and go back to accepting endless unverified social media videos as the better evidence.

I'd trust my own eyes over 'data' any day of the week.

If you had any sense, you would realise that statistics have been used to fudge things for years.

We have been hearing the same old left wing arguments for decades, and look where we are now.

 

[DanH]

I'd trust my own eyes over 'data' any day of the week.

If you had any sense, you would realise that statistics have been used to fudge things for years.

We have been hearing the same old left wing arguments for decades, and look where we are now.

YESSSSS. Been ages since you’ve spouted this glorious utter tripe.

 

[DANGERCLOSE]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1952776545476448723

 

[PalazioVecchio]

YESSSSS. Been ages since you’ve spouted this glorious utter tripe.

Dan, i cannot remember if your toddler Eaglette is a boy or a girl ( there are only two genders, by the way). But do you not accept that, courtesy of all our failing politicians, your kid will be growing up into a far more dangerous World that we did ?

surely even an idealistic globalist tree hugger can accept that hard fact ? and therefore, does it not sadden and anger you ? it does me.

teenage girls are walking out into a World of sexual harassment & violence never seen before on these shores. And the boys are facing into levels of hostility & criminality also never seen. Plus you have 130 young men chasing after every 100 young women....not very nice odds. Not a balanced society.

 

[Stirlingsays]

And you have to suspect the feeling is probably mutual. Unless there are now kinder and more inclusive Nazis for whom inclusion is a byword which is frankly unlikely.

Inclusive Nazis.....well they were socialists I suppose.

Mind you a bit pointless seizing the means or re-production with the gays.

 

[ASCPFC]

Inclusive Nazis.....well they were socialists I suppose.

Mind you a bit pointless seizing the means or re-production with the gays.

A bit of an elephant in the room is that loads of leading Nazis were gay. Look at the uniforms.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

A bit of an elephant in the room is that loads of leading Nazis were gay. Look at the uniforms.

Especially the SS. They knew black is a slimming colour. The leather boys joined the Gestapo for the coats.

 

[Stirlingsays]

A bit of an elephant in the room is that loads of leading Nazis were gay. Look at the uniforms.

Ernst Röhm would have you over a table for saying such a thing!

A good friend of Adolf until he had him shot.

Definitely a flaw with Adolf, that killing thing....probably didn't like the moustache competition.....falling out with Adolf seemed to not go well.

 

[Stirlingsays]

Especially the SS. They knew black is a slimming colour. The leather boys joined the Gestapo for the coats.

It was the most fashionable looking bullet to the back of the head that you could get on the market.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Ernst Röhm would have you over a table for saying such a thing!

A good friend of Adolf until he had him shot.

Definitely a flaw with Adolf, a bit trigger happy....probably didn't like the moustache competition.

Must be why Himmler stuck with his teenage bumfluff effort instead of a Merv Hughes job.
That would have been suicidal.

 

[Stirlingsays]

Must be why Himmler stuck with his teenage bumfluff effort instead of a Merv Hughes job.
That would have been suicidal.

Yep, it was an unspoken known that the length of the moustache equated to pen1s length.

Suggesting you had an elephant trunk down your trousers would have been deadly.

And pretty painful for your backside if Ernst Röhm were in the room.