Immigration

This should probably go in the two tier judiciary thread as well. Looks like the local newspaper has deleted details of the court decision and it isn’t in the national news. It’s all over X though. There was mention that he helped British and U.S forces in Iraq. That gets you off with a 2 year suspended sentence for attempted murder stabbing someone in the head 4 times.

Judge Sarah Przybylska gave Amar Jabar a two-year suspended jail sentence after he was convicted of stabbing a man repeatedly.

She said Jabar "will be better rehabilitated in the community than in prison" and “You will not be subject to automatic deportation".

https://twitter.com/x/status/1952773023989150027
 
Eagleman13 said:
Whilst I broadly agree with you, it is often said, that you cannot see what's in front of your own nose. Meaning, as you live there, you dont/can't see what's happening, whereas, those who used to live/work there see a more real version & in Croydons case, not a good one.
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When I was a lad, the area where I lived in Croydon was 99% White British. Now it is only 51%. That in only 60 years and mostly in the last 30.

And yet some utter half wits still want to tell us that there is nothing to be concerned about.
 
Rudi Hedman said:
The moral superiority and virtue signalling is strong in this one. Suicidal empathy.

The London laptop class. Have them on your street then darling. You’d love it. So would they…

https://twitter.com/x/status/1952636854219506121
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Unfortunately, ‘the system’ has to find young white women to spread the messsge now. I assume they think their supposed moral superiority will save them. Poor dears.
 
CPFCSaturn said:
Sorry to hear you had such an experience.

I'm not sure I've expressed an attitude beyond disagreeing with notions that Croydon is some sort of no-go zone and that black people don't sit around deciding whether to make white people uncomfortable or not.

In terms of your wider post, there are loads of neighbourhoods in London which were historically poor and pre-dominantly non-white, which are now gentrified and seem to have much bigger white populations; see Hackney, Peckham, Brixton, South Norwood, Canning Town, Deptford, Lewisham, Woolwich and many, many others - I don't have any data I can point to, but surely these huge gentrifications are contradictory to the notion that all the white people f*** off out of London.
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This is a bit confusing. Yes, gentrification can be a good thing since it almost always means places become more pleasant and safer but it also means that the people who've lived in those areas all their lives are unable to afford to live there any more. In times gone by I spent quite a lot of time in several of the areas quoted and they were often places where you had to be on your guard. While there are parts of those areas which are nicer than they used to be there are generally more which really aren't, as an example one place I knew quite well was Hoxton, and Hackney as a whole, which always felt very dodgy and the fact that a few artists and trendy types have moved in doesn't mean to me that it's totally changed. Maybe those places are lovely - I don't know since I don't live in London now but I have serious doubts.
 
Teddy Eagle said:
This is a bit confusing. Yes, gentrification can be a good thing since it almost always means places become more pleasant and safer but it also means that the people who've lived in those areas all their lives are unable to afford to live there any more. In times gone by I spent quite a lot of time in several of the areas quoted and they were often places where you had to be on your guard. While there are parts of those areas which are nicer than they used to be there are generally more which really aren't, as an example one place I knew quite well was Hoxton, and Hackney as a whole, which always felt very dodgy and the fact that a few artists and trendy types have moved in doesn't mean to me that it's totally changed. Maybe those places are lovely - I don't know since I don't live in London now but I have serious doubts.
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Isn’t this a massive dichotomy of what people are saying? Places that used to be are nice aren’t and places that weren’t are now gentrified?

London is a mental place of contrasts. You have massive wealth living amongst massive poverty. Not sure that’s a new thing. I genuinely don’t think London is any more or less safe than I’ve known it in my life time.
 
DanH said:
Isn’t this a massive dichotomy of what people are saying? Places that used to be are nice aren’t and places that weren’t are now gentrified?

London is a mental place of contrasts. You have massive wealth living amongst massive poverty. Not sure that’s a new thing. I genuinely don’t think London is any more or less safe than I’ve known it in my life time.
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Wealth and poverty have always lived side by side. People accepted they had a lucky roll or didn’t. Whether that be inherited, earned or other. The problem is that in the uk poverty is not like Africa or India. There if you have not much you die. Alongside the envy and hate for the rich in the west which is spawned by the equality crew.
Who ironically are mainly the same rich !
 
Rudi Hedman said:
This should probably go in the two tier judiciary thread as well. Looks like the local newspaper has deleted details of the court decision and it isn’t in the national news. It’s all over X though. There was mention that he helped British and U.S forces in Iraq. That gets you off with a 2 year suspended sentence for attempted murder stabbing someone in the head 4 times.

Judge Sarah Przybylska gave Amar Jabar a two-year suspended jail sentence after he was convicted of stabbing a man repeatedly.

She said Jabar "will be better rehabilitated in the community than in prison" and “You will not be subject to automatic deportation".

https://twitter.com/x/status/1952773023989150027
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Reported on GB News, perhaps that is why it has become the most watched News Channel. However that hasn’t stopped Yvette Cooper and 6 other Labour Ministers refusing to appear on the show
 
DanH said:
Isn’t this a massive dichotomy of what people are saying? Places that used to be are nice aren’t and places that weren’t are now gentrified?

London is a mental place of contrasts. You have massive wealth living amongst massive poverty. Not sure that’s a new thing. I genuinely don’t think London is any more or less safe than I’ve known it in my life time.
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The Crime Survey of England & Wales, which is the only validated crime level measurement, shows violent crime has plunged since 2010.

It’s researchers recently concluded:

"Over the past 25yrs, serious violence in England and Wales has decreased substantially. This message needs to be much better known... Fear of violence, often stoked by reports of rare tragic violent events, corrodes individual and community wellbeing."

Of course Farage and those whose entire pitch is dependent on convincing people of ‘Lawless Britain’ rejects the finding of the survey, whose results are produced by surveying tens of thousands of households, rather than relying on crimes reported (or not reported) to the police.

As with any data, the survey is not perfect, but I do think this lawlessness stuff is overstated - anecdotally, it seems like shoplifting has become more common in recent years. IMG_8113.webp
 
Teddy Eagle said:
This is a bit confusing. Yes, gentrification can be a good thing since it almost always means places become more pleasant and safer but it also means that the people who've lived in those areas all their lives are unable to afford to live there any more. In times gone by I spent quite a lot of time in several of the areas quoted and they were often places where you had to be on your guard. While there are parts of those areas which are nicer than they used to be there are generally more which really aren't, as an example one place I knew quite well was Hoxton, and Hackney as a whole, which always felt very dodgy and the fact that a few artists and trendy types have moved in doesn't mean to me that it's totally changed. Maybe those places are lovely - I don't know since I don't live in London now but I have serious doubts.
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Absolutely there are still neighbourhoods where you’d want to be on your guard, but overwhelmingly places like Hackney are much safer than they used to be.
 
CPFCSaturn said:
The Crime Survey of England & Wales, which is the only validated crime level measurement, shows violent crime has plunged since 2010.

It’s researchers recently concluded:

"Over the past 25yrs, serious violence in England and Wales has decreased substantially. This message needs to be much better known... Fear of violence, often stoked by reports of rare tragic violent events, corrodes individual and community wellbeing."

Of course Farage and those whose entire pitch is dependent on convincing people of ‘Lawless Britain’ rejects the finding of the survey, whose results are produced by surveying tens of thousands of households, rather than relying on crimes reported (or not reported) to the police.

As with any data, the survey is not perfect, but I do think this lawlessness stuff is overstated - anecdotally, it seems like shoplifting has become more common in recent years. View attachment 1673
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Yeah mad what you can do with manipulated data.

Lies, damn lies and statistics.

Thatcher started it in the eighties.

It's hardly rocket science, you change what qualifies from before or create new ways of estimating crime and then wait for people like you to amplify.
 
Stirlingsays said:
Yeah mad what you can do with manipulated data.

Lies, damn lies and statistics.

Thatcher started it in the eighties.

It's hardly rocket science, you change what qualifies from before or create new ways of estimating crime and then wait for people like you to amplify.
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Obviously you know, since it’s not rocket science, that this survey is neither new nor reliant on any new methodology.

But ‘people like you’ are not interested in data which might challenge your existing beliefs, so it’s easier to dismiss it all as lies and go back to accepting endless unverified social media videos as the better evidence.
 
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