Immigration

[Rudi Hedman]

I don't think it's a science, but I don't think describing a pub on Surrey Street as 'in East Croydon' is worth disagreeing with - it's just nit picking.

Oh, you were in Croydon once a couple of months ago... I'm here every day. I don't at all recognise your descriptions of the place.

Maybe not but I bet you think West Croydon stops at M&S, which is much closer than East Croydon is to Wendy’s. I think I’ve proved my point.

Saturday night at about 11:30 a few months ago there was something wrong with the trains. Fancied a MacDees so I got one and then walked to by the board game cafe for a bus. In that short walk as you say I was asked by about 6 clean males on foot in side roads who were not homeless for money. During the day there’s always a person laying on the ground by the cashpoint by Primark. Yeah just adds to the edginess and makes it trendy. I could defend it in the past. Not now.

 

[Stirlingsays]

It's just basic manners to acknowledge someone mentioning a threat to their life, but ok, we can bypass manners if you want.

Yes, I have eyes - all of the posts I've made on this thread are based on observations made with said eyes, which is more than can be said to most people telling me what London is 'really' like because of a Facebook algorithm.

I haven't even expressed a view on immigration - I've just nonsensed the laughable idea that Croydon is some ungodly hole where white people aren't welcome.

I lived it....don't tell me about 'facebook' algorithms, which I don't even go to.

It doesn't really matter what you or I think anyway, people always vote with their feet. What people do is the truth far more than what they say...even to themselves.

Now the rest of the country is getting a taste when before it was very much contained in the inner cities. Now it's starting to matter to a lot more people....too late but that's the British for you.

Too trusting.

 

[Spiderman]

110 US citizens have claimed asylum in Ireland! More Americans seeking asylum in Ireland since Trump’s comeback

You couldn't make this up.

Don’t they all think they are Irish anyway 🤣. Is sleepy Joe one of those?

 

[Rudi Hedman]

There is a private estate in Croydon that I know. I would hazard a guess that 90 percent of the inhabitants are of asian/Indian decent.
This is no accident. They have chosen to live with their "own people ".
When English people want the same they are called racist.
Personally I only want neighbours that don't bother me. Being bothered about the look of someone is childlike to me.

However it's obvious that many people of all races are bothered about it and want a connection with there "own people "

It would appear that there is one rule for one and another for those who have come to this country. Those are the reasons for riots and race wars. Unwittingly purportrated by Liberal do gooders.

Is that near Addiscombe cricket club? Similar happening up in Kenley near the aerodrome.

Agree with your post and get what you mean. This has reminded me of a thread on the Nextdoor app. I think it’s Selsdon school that hired out its hall to a Christian group that sings loudly. The group opened up the doors and maybe went outside early summer late in the evening. Result was complaints, advice on politely going to the school and/or council. Some wagging the racism finger, some saying that’s not the point or issue. To some you’re not even allowed to expect peace and quiet to remain in area you moved into.

 

[Stirlingsays]

Don’t they all think they are Irish anyway 🤣. Is sleepy Joe one of those?

Nowadays you just have to fancy a Guinness and like dancing with your arms down.

I tip my hat to the Irish boys trying to save their country over there.

 

[CPFCSaturn]

Maybe not but I bet you think West Croydon stops at M&S, which is much closer than East Croydon is to Wendy’s. I think I’ve proved my point.

Saturday night at about 11:30 a few months ago there was something wrong with the trains. Fancied a MacDees so I got one and then walked to by the board game cafe for a bus. In that short walk as you say I was asked by about 6 clean males who were not homeless for money. Homeless person laying on the ground by the cashpoint by Primark. Yeah just adds to the edginess and makes it trendy. I could defend it in the past. Not now.

I can’t believe you’re still going on about it 🤣

If it makes you happy mate, you can decide exactly the boundaries of east Croydon, no problem.

I reckon you’d find a homeless person next to every cashpoint outside a Primark across the whole of the U.K.

 

[ASCPFC]

Nowadays you just have to fancy a Guinness and like dancing with your arms down.

I tip my hat to the Irish boys trying to save their country over there.

You just rock up from England/ Northern Ireland and lie. So it's open to you all if you fancy it.

 

[Rudi Hedman]

I can’t believe you’re still going on about it 🤣

If it makes you happy mate, you can decide exactly the boundaries of east Croydon, no problem.

I reckon you’d find a homeless person next to every cashpoint outside a Primark across the whole of the U.K.

Would I get approached on foot for money at 11:30 on a Saturday night on a 5 minute walk? Or is their several gangs of young adults, some in masks, checking people over as they walk along? Sorry but this is unique to Croydon. Maybe you get it in Hackney but I’m guessing that’s about it in the south of the country. As I said, I’ve given up defending Croydon. It’s gone. And actually, if it was a buzzing and thriving place with these trendy night time establishments there’d be lots of people walking here or there. But no, there wasn’t. Funny that.

 

[Spiderman]

This is the sensible view and approach on immigration that I think most people on either side of the political spectrum would agree with.

My issue is with those who lump all immigration into the same category (or at the very least non-white immigration) and either can’t, or don’t want to, differentiate between those who want to get on and those who do want to try and milk the system and/or commit crimes.

We are also on a slippery slope towards an ever more hostile environment toward anyone in this country who isn’t white, no matter what their background, how long they’ve been here, or how long they intend to stay. I’ve had mates who are second/third generation immigrants put up with an increasing level of sh*t from emboldened w*nkers who feel more comfortable being outwardly hostile to them because of the political climate.

Being told to ‘go home’ or asked ‘where are you really from’ just because you’re not completely white is deeply unpleasant and makes people not feel at home in the country they are literally born and bred in. My nan and grandad were from Cork, but funnily enough no one has ever told me to f*ck off back to Ireland.

Don’t tempt us Dan 🤣😂

 

[CPFCSaturn]

Would I get approached on foot for money at 11:30 on a Saturday night on a 5 minute walk? Or is their several gangs of young adults, some in masks, checking people over as they walk along? Sorry but this is unique to Croydon. Maybe you get it in Hackney but I’m guessing that’s about it in the south of the country. As I said, I’ve given up defending Croydon. It’s gone. And actually, if it was a buzzing and thriving place with these trendy night time establishments there’d be lots of people walking here or there. But no, there wasn’t. Funny that.

You can form your opinions based on fleeting visits and social media, and I can form mine based on living here.

We don’t have to agree.

 

[Rudi Hedman]

You can form your opinions based on fleeting visits and social media, and I can form mine based on living here.

We don’t have to agree.

Neither do the many people who won’t step foot in the place, day or night.

 

[PalazioVecchio]

Nowadays you just have to fancy a Guinness and like dancing with your arms down.

I tip my hat to the Irish boys trying to save their country over there.

Its curious. How a newfound amity between Ulster Protestant and Conservative Catholics seems to be met with so much disapproval from The Establishment. Its almost as if they wanted us to fight each other.

Sinn Fein & TUV are the enemy of peaceful cooperation. Christian versus christian is all not very christian. No more brother-wars.

Those who promote Open Borders seem to love NI being a basket-case.

 

[Mattconrov]

Is that near Addiscombe cricket club? Similar happening up in Kenley near the aerodrome.

Agree with your post and get what you mean. This has reminded me of a thread on the Nextdoor app. I think it’s Selsdon school that hired out its hall to a Christian group that sings loudly. The group opened up the doors and maybe went outside early summer late in the evening. Result was complaints, advice on politely going to the school and/or council. Some wagging the racism finger, some saying that’s not the point or issue. To some you’re not even allowed to expect peace and quiet to remain in area you moved into.

The actual place in question is off park hill road Croydon, its called turnpike link.
Selsdon primary was my school in the 1970s.

I was only recalling to my wife last night how we would say the Lords prayer and sing hymms before the start of lessons.

The good days. Lol

 

[PalazioVecchio]

I’ve given up defending Croydon. It's gone.

agreed. And seemingly many HOL-Eagles seem to also be of that opinion.

 

[Rudi Hedman]

agreed. And seemingly many HOL-Eagles seem to also be of that opinion.

It can be resurrected, after it’s bulldozed. Labour led Croydon council should have agreed terms with Westfield, rather than thinking they held all the cards, making their demands on the housing side. But as usual they fecked it and the only interested company walked away. They probably know they can come back whenever they like. One plan they had was to build a covered walkway from East Croydon train station to the shopping centre so people didn’t have to walk along the street lol.

 

[georgenorman]

Being told to ‘go home’ or asked ‘where are you really from’ just because you’re not completely white is deeply unpleasant and makes people not feel at home in the country they are literally born and bred in. My nan and grandad were from Cork, but funnily enough no one has ever told me to f*ck off back to Ireland.

One of my great-great-great-grandmothers was from Cork (she hanged herself in 1849).
Perhaps we are related!

 

[georgenorman]

Well, I grew up in Stockwell in the 80s being a teenager, we were a white family in Stockwell Park Estate and thus very much a minority in an extremely diverse place for the era.

I nearly lost my life at 17 in a racist attack where a gang or posse attacked me, while on my own, both my mum was mugged and sister. We had sh1t put through our letterbox.

My old man moved us out....It was dangerous.....day to day perfectly fine but over time a dangerous environment compared to non diverse areas. To suggest that this wasn't is not reality.

You know what mate, I don't care whether 'black' people or any other ethnicity are waiting around enough to make white people feel unwelcome. Unless you're a certain type then whites are definitely going to leave once an area becomes diverse.....it's not just whites either the effect is the same for all ethnicities when you look into the research. The most common reality is that birds of a feather always look to flock together.

You're attitude is a minority one.....those that can afford it bugger off.

I was offered a job in Stockwell in the 1970s that involved shift work. I turned it down as I didn't fancy being in the area at night.

 

[Spiderman]

One of my great-great-great-grandmothers was from Cork (she hanged herself in 1849).
Perhaps we are related!

Didn’t realise Cork was that bad!

 

[georgenorman]

Didn’t realise Cork was that bad!

She was living in Hackney by then, her late husband was from London.

 

[Eagleman13]

You can form your opinions based on fleeting visits and social media, and I can form mine based on living here.

We don’t have to agree.

Whilst I broadly agree with you, it is often said, that you cannot see what's in front of your own nose. Meaning, as you live there, you dont/can't see what's happening, whereas, those who used to live/work there see a more real version & in Croydons case, not a good one.