Reform

[Willo]

Reform have vowed to nationalise 50% of Britain's water.
Pressed on how much this would cost, Farage after some bluster admitted “I don’t know, I haven’t sat in the negotiations....".
I rest my case.

 

[ASCPFC]

Reform have vowed to nationalise 50% of Britain's water.
Pressed on how much this would cost, Farage after some bluster admitted “I don’t know, I haven’t sat in the negotiations....".
I rest my case.

Nothing, just start totting up the fines now. Take it back and imprison the heads. That'll be a huge vote winner.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Reform have vowed to nationalise 50% of Britain's water.
Pressed on how much this would cost, Farage after some bluster admitted “I don’t know, I haven’t sat in the negotiations....".
I rest my case.

However much it costs most of it should be recouped if it cuts out the amount being lost.

Water firms in England and Wales lost more than 1tn litres from leaks last year

Hundreds of millions of litres were wasted every day, with Thames Water revealed as the worst offender

www.theguardian.com

 

[Willo]

Nigel Farage committed to removing the two-child cap and has warned he is not finished yet on benefits giveaways.
On welfare he is promising these unaffordable giveaways with no plan to fix the system.

 

[silvertop]

We will have to agree to disagree on the subject of Brexit.
Apropos the "Damage to the Economy", two words 'Rachel Reeves'.
Serious damage would occur if, heaven forbid, Reform are the next government.

No you will have to disagree with every sensible objective assessment of impact which shows a 4% decrease in trade, an alarming drop in producivity, and a spectacular diminishing of our international voice.

We have fallen behind other G7 nations and, sadly, the consequences will be seen for a long time.

Labour are of course a shambles. That said, they are having to repair the economy damaged by your party and hamstrung by the disaster of Brexit.

Btw always interesting to hear those who still support Brexit. I literally shot myself in the foot. I now walk with a stick and in pain. I am very pleased I did.

Agree Reform obviously.

 

[ASCPFC]

Reform need to tax all of the Labour MPs former council houses as benefits in kind.

 

[silvertop]

Nigel Farage committed to removing the two-child cap and has warned he is not finished yet on benefits giveaways.
On welfare he is promising these unaffordable giveaways with no plan to fix the system.

Thus, if any subject hits the press, Farage will offer an uncosted "easy" solution.

That is populism in a nutshell.

 

[Willo]

No you will have to disagree with every sensible objective assessment of impact which shows a 4% decrease in trade, an alarming drop in producivity, and a spectacular diminishing of our international voice.

We have fallen behind other G7 nations and, sadly, the consequences will be seen for a long time.

Labour are of course a shambles. That said, they are having to repair the economy damaged by your party and hamstrung by the disaster of Brexit.

Btw always interesting to hear those who still support Brexit. I literally shot myself in the foot. I now walk with a stick and in pain. I am very pleased I did.

Agree Reform obviously.

For a damaged economy look no further than this current Government :

Inflation : Labour inheritance 2.0%, under Labour's watch £3.6%
Unemployment : Increased from 4.2% to 4.7%
Wage Growth : Decreased from 5.3% to 5.0%
GDP Growth : Decreased from 0.4% to -0.1%
Borrowing costs : Increased from 4.7% to 5.5%
Debt : Increased from 95.8% to 96.4%
As for that "£22 Billion black hole", I despair.
We Conservatives of course had to navigate the twin-shocks of Covid and the War in Ukraine.

Finally, I stand 'Gummed' to my position on Brexit and I would LEAVE tomorrow if there was another referendum.I certainly do not wish the UK to return to the 'Orbit' of a sclerotic EU with their unelected bureaucrats and having to pay £Billions for the privilege.
Leaving the EU has not prevented the country from maintaining its place among the world's leading economies, despite predictions of an economic catastrophe.

 

[georgenorman]

No you will have to disagree with every sensible objective assessment of impact which shows a 4% decrease in trade, an alarming drop in producivity, and a spectacular diminishing of our international voice.

We have fallen behind other G7 nations and, sadly, the consequences will be seen for a long time.

Labour are of course a shambles. That said, they are having to repair the economy damaged by your party and hamstrung by the disaster of Brexit.

Btw always interesting to hear those who still support Brexit. I literally shot myself in the foot. I now walk with a stick and in pain. I am very pleased I did.

Agree Reform obviously.

Is there anything that you don't blame Brexit for?

 

[Palace Old Geezer]

For a damaged economy look no further than this current Government :

Inflation : Labour inheritance 2.0%, under Labour's watch £3.6%
Unemployment : Increased from 4.2% to 4.7%
Wage Growth : Decreased from 5.3% to 5.0%
GDP Growth : Decreased from 0.4% to -0.1%
Borrowing costs : Increased from 4.7% to 5.5%
Debt : Increased from 95.8% to 96.4%
As for that "£22 Billion black hole", I despair.
We Conservatives of course had to navigate the twin-shocks of Covid and the War in Ukraine.

Finally, I stand 'Gummed' to my position on Brexit and I would LEAVE tomorrow if there was another referendum.I certainly do not wish the UK to return to the 'Orbit' of a sclerotic EU with their unelected bureaucrats and having to pay £Billions for the privilege.
Leaving the EU has not prevented the country from maintaining its place among the world's leading economies, despite predictions of an economic catastrophe.

Well said Willo. I'm with you on the Brexit decision. Returning to the oppressive clutches of the EU as Starmer prefers would be a retrograde step indeed.

As for your comments I've highlighted, both these issues had a major negative impact on the effectiveness of the Conservative government as well as the country as a whole.

 

[Stirlingsays]

And so we were as we exercised our sovereign right to open our borders to EU citizens (and theirs to us)

Next.

Not being able to control your own borders means you aren't sovereign.

You were happy to give up nationhood for a wider EU identity. I agree with you on the EU aspect when it comes to immigration but what we did post Brexit was a Tory choice, not a requirement.

There will never be an argument where I'll be ok with reducing this country down to votes in an EU collective on political matters.....a very social and neoliberal one at that.

When it came to the EU Thatcher was right.....It went too far.....and now it's just a centralised over-powered gravy train for average politicians around Europe.

Corrupt, undemocratic and economically disastrous....ruled by Germany, which in itself is an admittance that they won the post consequences of the war.....an original vision that held promise that fitted right into Oscar Wilde's observation on bureaucracy....of which I'm sure you are aware, 'the bureaucracy is expanding to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracy'.

 

[Stirlingsays]

We Conservatives of course had to navigate the twin-shocks of Covid and the War in Ukraine.

I often hear this presented as we had no choice in how we reacted to both of these disasters.

We did.

The way we reacted involved spending huge amounts of money we couldn't afford....especially covid....future wrecking amounts.

And now the energy bill in the UK is the largest in Europe mainly because of the Ukraine war....well that and the stupidity and 'kick the can-ness' of governments who chose not to go nuclear decades ago.

Aside from I'd say that most of the rest of your post is sound.

 

[the silurian]

Reform have vowed to nationalise 50% of Britain's water.
Pressed on how much this would cost, Farage after some bluster admitted “I don’t know, I haven’t sat in the negotiations....".
I rest my case.

Even if they do nationalise the water companies those companies will still pou millions of gallons of s*** into our rivers every week, this is absolutely disgraceful and as a fisherman I find it totally abhorrent, especially as the bosses of those water companies are paying themselves millions of pounds in wages AND BONUSES! For what? Problem is it won't change with the evil Britain hating Starmer in charge ( or god forbid, the disgusting Rayner)

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

For a damaged economy look no further than this current Government :

Inflation : Labour inheritance 2.0%, under Labour's watch £3.6%
Unemployment : Increased from 4.2% to 4.7%
Wage Growth : Decreased from 5.3% to 5.0%
GDP Growth : Decreased from 0.4% to -0.1%
Borrowing costs : Increased from 4.7% to 5.5%
Debt : Increased from 95.8% to 96.4%
As for that "£22 Billion black hole", I despair.
We Conservatives of course had to navigate the twin-shocks of Covid and the War in Ukraine.

Finally, I stand 'Gummed' to my position on Brexit and I would LEAVE tomorrow if there was another referendum.I certainly do not wish the UK to return to the 'Orbit' of a sclerotic EU with their unelected bureaucrats and having to pay £Billions for the privilege.
Leaving the EU has not prevented the country from maintaining its place among the world's leading economies, despite predictions of an economic catastrophe.

I want to knock on the head this idea that us being in the EU meant it costed us £Billions!

It is a lie. One that was believed by the public but is still a lie. It needs to be corrected if ever we again are going to recognise the value of membership.

Of course we made contributions. Any organisation that does things needs to be funded. It’s whether those contributions represent value for money that really matters.

So what did we get in return? EU funded projects? The benefits that flowed from the single market? Both true. But the biggest were the savings that resulted from subsidiarity. Allowing one set of specialists and regulators to develop standards and methods for all the members, at a fraction of the cost of each having do it themselves.

Measuring that isn’t easy, which is why it’s often overlooked, but we were better off before 2016 than we are today, of that I am certain.

 

[steeleye20]

The new reform Scarborough mayor is getting on with it:--

The rest of reform councillors seem to be doing a runner........

😎

 

[ASCPFC]

The new reform Scarborough mayor is getting on with it:--

The rest of reform councillors seem to be doing a runner........

😎

Where I live the mayor's allowance is 40k (could be more). In Scarborough it is now at an astonishing £3,500. I don't think he's getting rich from that to be realistic about it.

 

[ASCPFC]

Where I live the mayor's allowance is 40k (could be more). In Scarborough it is now at an astonishing £3,500. I don't think he's getting rich from that to be realistic about it.

Just for a laugh I looked up Bradford and Blackburn. Their Mayoral allowance is 13500 and 12700 respectively. Wonder where else I should check? As far as I can tell, Hartlepool mayor gets over 50k. Enjoyable.

 

[Willo]

Well said Willo. I'm with you on the Brexit decision. Returning to the oppressive clutches of the EU as Starmer prefers would be a retrograde step indeed.

As for your comments I've highlighted, both these issues had a major negative impact on the effectiveness of the Conservative government as well as the country as a whole.

I could not agree more.
Returning to the sclerotic EU would be anathema to me, paying £Billions each year for the privilege.😡 😡 😡
Leaving the ECHR would be political viagara as far as I am concerned.

 

[steeleye20]

Just for a laugh I looked up Bradford and Blackburn. Their Mayoral allowance is 13500 and 12700 respectively. Wonder where else I should check? As far as I can tell, Hartlepool mayor gets over 50k. Enjoyable.

Wrong business.

Try Thames Water you can get millions and make as much mess as you like.

😎

 

[Willo]

This week we Conservatives secured three victories in council by-elections across the country.
We gained Eccleshall and Gnosall in Staffordshire from Reform. We gained Market Harborough-Logan from the Liberal Democrats in Harborough. And we held Prestatyn Central in Denbighshire.
Reform have yet to successfully defend a seat they've held at council level.
Reform are more interested in publicity than serious solutions.