Reform

[beak]

With respect I do not accept some of the 'Charges' you raised and did not feel it necessary to afford them the oxygen of publicity. It really is a deflection and distraction from a thread titled 'Reform' and I am content to concentrate my efforts on lambasting Reform and their illiterate and fantasy economics.

Whilst breathing in their exhaust fumes as they leave you in their wake.

 

[ASCPFC]

Whilst breathing in their exhaust fumes as they leave you in their wake.

Using the ashes of Tory and Labour to fill in the potholes.

 

[Willo]

It seems to me Willo, you(Cons) are running scared of Farage, same as Lab. It also seems to me, that he's doing all the things you wanted to do, but, failed miserably. Relying on your 'blue-Rinse' brigade etc to vote for the Cons has failed, as you have alluded to. Yes, Farage may be all 'bluster' as you call it, but, he has galvanised the voters, whereas the Cons/Lab are just going along as if nothing has happened.

Still, politics is a funny beast, everyone slags off everyone else & nothing gets done. there may be 4 years to go, but, it's going to take a lot longer for the Cons to become a credible party again. Lab will get voted out, no matter how many immigrants they give votes to. Not a dig at you personally, just an observation.

Conservatives have to expose Reform and Farage, it’s our job to hold them to account and subject them to the kind of scrutiny they have not experienced.

Apropos "Just going along as if nothing has happened" we are in the midst of a comprehensive 'Policy Renerwal Programme' the largest policy renewal for our party in 50 years.
We are developing a long-term plan forged from fundamental Conservative values to transform Britain for the better, backing the makers, not the takers.

The Problem Diagnosis phase is still running so we can identify the root cause of the problems our policies needs to solve.

Since the Programme began, we have launched a number of specific policy commissions.
Recently, we have launched a commission on the labour market with Europe Economics, and another, with the Adam Smith Institute, looking at the factors holding back private enterprise.
We have received thousands of submissions for our Policy Renewal Programme.
We are engaging in serious politics as opposed to Reform with their PR bluster and wheeling out policies hither and thither without any thought about how they can be delivered or indeed funded.

 

[Willo]

Whilst breathing in their exhaust fumes as they leave you in their wake.

Reform are just full of 'Hot air'.

 

[mezzer]

Reform are just full of 'Hot air'.

Which, as you know Willo, is what is needed when the chill of political winter descends, as it has on the Conservatives.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

Reform are only riding the crest of a wave on account of a deeply unpopular Government and a Conservative Party who suffered a humiliating defeat at the General Election and have to regain the trust of the electorate. The election is some 4 years ago and a "Week is a long time in politics".

Nigel Farage and Co wheel out populist policies, without any thought about how they can be delivered or indeed funded.Fantasy economics.

Halting illegal immigration, greatly reducing all migration, deporting foreign criminals, getting tougher on crime generally?

I'd say they were essential policies and ones that both Tory and Labour have failed to tackle.

I'm sorry, but the future of this country is far more important than loyalty to one party.

We must let Reform have their turn. No other party can claim the high ground on policy. They knew what needed to be done but put themselves first.

 

[silvertop]

For a damaged economy look no further than this current Government :

Inflation : Labour inheritance 2.0%, under Labour's watch £3.6%
Unemployment : Increased from 4.2% to 4.7%
Wage Growth : Decreased from 5.3% to 5.0%
GDP Growth : Decreased from 0.4% to -0.1%
Borrowing costs : Increased from 4.7% to 5.5%
Debt : Increased from 95.8% to 96.4%
As for that "£22 Billion black hole", I despair.
We Conservatives of course had to navigate the twin-shocks of Covid and the War in Ukraine.

Finally, I stand 'Gummed' to my position on Brexit and I would LEAVE tomorrow if there was another referendum.I certainly do not wish the UK to return to the 'Orbit' of a sclerotic EU with their unelected bureaucrats and having to pay £Billions for the privilege.
Leaving the EU has not prevented the country from maintaining its place among the world's leading economies, despite predictions of an economic catastrophe.

I suppose the beauty of shooting yourself in the foot once is that you always have another foot on stand by if the chance comes again.

 

[silvertop]

Halting illegal immigration, greatly reducing all migration, deporting foreign criminals, getting tougher on crime generally?

I'd say they were essential policies and ones that both Tory and Labour have failed to tackle.

I'm sorry, but the future of this country is far more important than loyalty to one party.

We must let Reform have their turn. No other party can claim the high ground on policy. They knew what needed to be done but put themselves first.

Yes, they have sent out a message today that they will cut crime by a half.

A HALF!

I am not sure how they propose to fund that utopian fantasy. I suppose they will cite the usual bobbins about cutting red tape, public sector "efficiencies" etc. They will not mention the fact that previous governments have already cut the public sector to the bone. They will also neglect to mention that, to achieve this ambition, would require a vast injection of cash into... the public sector.

Or the other promises they have made. For instance, their flagship, vote-winning policies on migration will be eye-wateringly expensive... and also funded from the same public purse that will be halving crime, purifying our rivers, seas and drinking water and whatever solemn promise they make to the electorate tomorrow and the next day and....

They have also side-stepped the fact that crime correlates closely with economic performance. Whichever bodies are tasked with this thankless task will be like the kid with his finger in the dyke after the economy tanks under Reform's blundering stewardship.

I do accept, by way of counter, that significantly cutting (you will never "halt") illegal immigration will have some impact on reducing crime. But a half!? Honestly, that preposterous claim should be enough for any sane voter to think twice before putting a cross to one of their candidates.

Sadly, what is more likely to happen is the same as under Brexit. People will ignore the red fags and vote Reform anyway. It will inevitably be a colossal failure. And then people will look for others to blame rather than face the reality of their error. They will either be the people who warned them of the perils. Or they will be fictitious, conspiratorial creations of some persuasive types from the blogosphere. Mysterious cabals of "elites" protecting core interests and secretly fighting Reform from deep state.

Laughable garbage but supporters will blithely swallow it all. Just like they will the fantastic promise of halving crime.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

Yes, they have sent out a message today that they will cut crime by a half.

A HALF!

I am not sure how they propose to fund that utopian fantasy. I suppose they will cite the usual bobbins about cutting red tape, public sector "efficiencies" etc. They will not mention the fact that previous governments have already cut the public sector to the bone. They will also neglect to mention that, to achieve this ambition, would require a vast injection of cash into... the public sector.

Or the other promises they have made. For instance, their flagship, vote-winning policies on migration will be eye-wateringly expensive... and also funded from the same public purse that will be halving crime, purifying our rivers, seas and drinking water and whatever solemn promise they make to the electorate tomorrow and the next day and....

They have also side-stepped the fact that crime correlates closely with economic performance. Whichever bodies are tasked with this thankless task will be like the kid with his finger in the dyke after the economy tanks under Reform's blundering stewardship.

I do accept, by way of counter, that significantly cutting (you will never "halt") illegal immigration will have some impact on reducing crime. But a half!? Honestly, that preposterous claim should be enough for any sane voter to think twice before putting a cross to one of their candidates.

Sadly, what is more likely to happen is the same as under Brexit. People will ignore the red fags and vote Reform anyway. It will inevitably be a colossal failure. And then people will look for others to blame rather than face the reality of their error. They will either be the people who warned them of the perils. Or they will be fictitious, conspiratorial creations of some persuasive types from the blogosphere. Mysterious cabals of "elites" protecting core interests and secretly fighting Reform from deep state.

Laughable garbage but supporters will blithely swallow it all. Just like they will the fantastic promise of halving crime.

As usual, you miss the point.

The important thing is intent. It's direction.

People like you want to criticise but offer no answers. You are happy to see this country collapse around you while you whine about 'populism'.

Change takes will. It takes vision. It needs the support of the people.

A negative can't do attitude will only lead to disaster. We have to change direction.

This country is in a rapid downward spiral. We need brave people to make brave policy.

The two traditional parties have proven that they cannot be trusted.

Where are your solutions to solve our problems? Who would you vote for?

 

[georgenorman]

Yes, they have sent out a message today that they will cut crime by a half.

A HALF!

I am not sure how they propose to fund that utopian fantasy. I suppose they will cite the usual bobbins about cutting red tape, public sector "efficiencies" etc. They will not mention the fact that previous governments have already cut the public sector to the bone. They will also neglect to mention that, to achieve this ambition, would require a vast injection of cash into... the public sector.

Or the other promises they have made. For instance, their flagship, vote-winning policies on migration will be eye-wateringly expensive... and also funded from the same public purse that will be halving crime, purifying our rivers, seas and drinking water and whatever solemn promise they make to the electorate tomorrow and the next day and....

They have also side-stepped the fact that crime correlates closely with economic performance. Whichever bodies are tasked with this thankless task will be like the kid with his finger in the dyke after the economy tanks under Reform's blundering stewardship.

I do accept, by way of counter, that significantly cutting (you will never "halt") illegal immigration will have some impact on reducing crime. But a half!? Honestly, that preposterous claim should be enough for any sane voter to think twice before putting a cross to one of their candidates.

Sadly, what is more likely to happen is the same as under Brexit. People will ignore the red fags and vote Reform anyway. It will inevitably be a colossal failure. And then people will look for others to blame rather than face the reality of their error. They will either be the people who warned them of the perils. Or they will be fictitious, conspiratorial creations of some persuasive types from the blogosphere. Mysterious cabals of "elites" protecting core interests and secretly fighting Reform from deep state.

Laughable garbage but supporters will blithely swallow it all. Just like they will the fantastic promise of halving crime.

Redirect police resources dedicated to so called 'hate crimes', the general persecution of motorists and LGBT propaganda - that would help. Oh - and abolish police commissioners.

 

[Willo]

Yes, they have sent out a message today that they will cut crime by a half.

A HALF!

I am not sure how they propose to fund that utopian fantasy. I suppose they will cite the usual bobbins about cutting red tape, public sector "efficiencies" etc. They will not mention the fact that previous governments have already cut the public sector to the bone. They will also neglect to mention that, to achieve this ambition, would require a vast injection of cash into... the public sector.

Or the other promises they have made. For instance, their flagship, vote-winning policies on migration will be eye-wateringly expensive... and also funded from the same public purse that will be halving crime, purifying our rivers, seas and drinking water and whatever solemn promise they make to the electorate tomorrow and the next day and....

They have also side-stepped the fact that crime correlates closely with economic performance. Whichever bodies are tasked with this thankless task will be like the kid with his finger in the dyke after the economy tanks under Reform's blundering stewardship.

I do accept, by way of counter, that significantly cutting (you will never "halt") illegal immigration will have some impact on reducing crime. But a half!? Honestly, that preposterous claim should be enough for any sane voter to think twice before putting a cross to one of their candidates.

Sadly, what is more likely to happen is the same as under Brexit. People will ignore the red fags and vote Reform anyway. It will inevitably be a colossal failure. And then people will look for others to blame rather than face the reality of their error. They will either be the people who warned them of the perils. Or they will be fictitious, conspiratorial creations of some persuasive types from the blogosphere. Mysterious cabals of "elites" protecting core interests and secretly fighting Reform from deep state.

Laughable garbage but supporters will blithely swallow it all. Just like they will the fantastic promise of halving crime.

Hear Hear !
You have hit all the right notes.
I garland your sentiments with approbation.
Jolly well done. I tip my Palace Fedora. 👍 👍

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

Hear Hear !
You have hit all the right notes.
I garland your sentiments with approbation.
Jolly well done. I tip my Palace Fedora. 👍 👍

So would you do a deal with Labour to keep Reform out?

Yes or no?

 

[Willo]

So would you do a deal with Labour to keep Reform out?

Yes or no?

We have no intention of doing deals with any party.
In any event, the political landscape could be very different at the General Election.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

That will probably include more and more Islamic migration into European countries until eventually AFD and other parties address it.

The troubled times arise from the bear to the east becoming more threatening and our natural ally to the west turning inwards. Nothing to do with managed immigration, even if illegal immigration remains a difficult issue.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

We have no intention of doing deals with any party.
In any event, the political landscape could be very different at the General Election.

That's not really a yes or no.

Intentions change. I would like to know if you would consider a deal.

If the answer is yes, then you clearly put party before country, because the Tories cannot win the next election. They have no chance.
If no, then you are admitting that Reform is a better option than Labour. The third option is to do a deal with Reform.

We would probably agree on most things, but Reform is the only right wing party that can win the coming election. The Tories chance will come round again if Reform messes it up.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Can we trust Chat GPT?


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Who suggested otherwise? I already had offered my own analysis. Chat GPT was supporting evidence. I am sure other verification is available if you think it necessary to find it.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

We were still net contributors as opposed to several members.

EU budget: Who pays most in and who gets most back?

How much are the EU countries paying into and receiving from the EU?

www.bbc.co.uk

With any calculations of this nature there will be some who pay more and others less. If part of the programme is to address inequalities so that the market grows that’s inevitable.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

So would you do a deal with Labour to keep Reform out?

Yes or no?

They will, along with the LibDems, if that’s what’s needed to protect the country from stupidity.

 

[beak]

They will, along with the LibDems, if that’s what’s needed to protect the country from stupidity.

The ballot box has a funny affect on people,on the day pen in hand they go for the tried and trusted over the bizarre and quite frankly ridiculous bank refused Farage. Sanity will win the day.

 

[georgenorman]

Hear Hear !
You have hit all the right notes.
I garland your sentiments with approbation.
Jolly well done. I tip my Palace Fedora. 👍 👍

What's the Tory aim on the crime rate? To double it?