Palace potentially denied entry to Europa League?

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I'm having a bit of trouble with this site. I'm an old b****** so maybe it's just me.
I can't wait for next season I'm quietly confident we'll do we'll.
 
NEILLO said:
It's tempting to come up with conspiracy theories when UEFA and FIFA are involved in anything.

One of the most telling things I've read in the last couple of days is that reported change to UEFA's rules re MCO. What's their motive for doing that unless it's an admittance that those rules are not, as we have said, fit for purpose ?

I'm hoping that CAS take that into consideration and if they do, I think it could tip the balance in Palace's favour.
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With regard to conspiracies, when all common sense options have been exhausted, what is left is often the truth, or certainly partly the truth.

As you say, UEFAs most recent actions speaks volumes about the mess they have created and it is almost an admission that throwing Palace out is a one off thing and won’t happen again. This is of course of no solace to Palace.
 
mileend said:
Thanks Mr Smith. I think you've added a lot to the debate. But your very first post is the one that I keep thinking back to.

Which stated that UEFA and the French League wanted Textor gone from French and European football. It was personal.

I think there is a truth in that and it has succeeded. And Palace are just collateral damage with everything else a smokescreen.

I agree with others that it does look like the UEFA statement is almost a suggestion that Palace should appeal. The only thing that is a slight worry is that Parish is only considering it. He's not done it.

Perhaps because he wants the sale to Johnson to go through so that can be presented as part of the appeal from the outset. Or perhaps because if the UEFA president stops the circus now he'll have more time to rescue the transfer window and waiting for the CAS decision prevents the chance of upgrading the squad.

As it stands with our current squad / transfer window we still have a good chance of winning the Conference. While we do need to invest substantially to do well in the Europa league and have an ok premier league season.
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I do hope that someone has checked the info box for a message giving us a backdated time to put in an appeal!
 
Willo said:
UEFA would probably find a way of preventing us from doing so !
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I don't think we need to prolong our persecution complex.

We already have the support of most football fans. We need to use that energy of injustice to drive us forward. Winning the Conference would mean little in the grand scheme of football trophies, but it would be a win for the spirit of the club and football generally.
UEFA have used the letter of the law to deny us. Everyone knows it's bullshit, including UEFA. We might still get it overturned, but if we fail it has to be onwards and upwards. I doubt UEFA would deny us a second time without legitimate ground to do so. We have to keep ourselves strictly within the rules.
 
I agree with what you are saying. Except it’s not so much obeying the rules, as finding a way to get round the rules. The actual rules have been bypassed numerous times. So much for the rules. People say our problem was we broke the rules, but the big club experience tells us our crime was we failed to bend them.
That’s the injustice I feel.
 
Eaglecoops said:
This is all about Lyon. No matter how you paint it, they have some serious influence within UEFA and there is definitely something that has gone on in the background to firstly get them out of relegation and into the Europa League and secondly force Textor out of their club. I reckon they consider Palace to be a bit of an annoying irrelevance in all of this and when you look at what has happened it kind of feels that this is exactly how we have been treated.

I also think there is a strong link between Marinakis and UEFA and Lyon and it would not surprise me at all to learn that he is bankrolling some of Lyon’s debt. The reward, Forest get in by default. The whole thing stinks of corruption and I genuinely think they don’t give a flying about Palace. The Conference is just a sop to try and placate.

Just my opinion but we are fighting against European football’s money men and I’m not sure we have the clout to deal with it. I hope we don’t give up trying however.
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We not only unexpectedly won the FA Cup, we’ve also just discovered that we are regarded as absolute peasants! Nice to feel appreciated, isn’t it! And I thought it was all about following the beautiful game. No, there’s another, Eurocentric hierarchy, and they’ve made it perfectly clear that we are not welcome at their banquet table!
 
For those who would like to remember how we got to this sorry situation after the high of our FA Cup win, here is my take on the situation as simply as possible.

Having won the Cup Palace earned entry into the Europa League. However, Uefa denied our entry due to the Palace majority shareholder, John Textor, owning another club Olympic Lyonnais (OL) which also qualified for this League. This created a conflict of interest which is against their rules on multi club ownership. Uefa had sent out a warning to all teams to ensure that action was taken by 1st March 2025 to ensure that control of each club in a MCO relationship was clearly separated. Palace claim control was already separate but anyway were demoted to the Europa Conference League (subject to an appeal) with Nottingham Forest (Forest) taking their place.

OL qualified by coming 6th on goal difference ahead of in form Racing Strasbourg, a BlueCo team owned by Chelsea’s Tod Boehly. This happened because Strasbourg conceded a goal scored in the 98th minute of their 2-3 goal defeat by relegation threatened Le Harve. The goal was as a result of a penalty conceded by Omobamidele, a player on loan from Forest who had been on the pitch for only a couple of minutes. Had the match been a draw then Strasbourg not Lyon would have qualified for the Europa League. There is no evidence Tod Boehly had made arrangements to separate control by 1st March so Racing losing two winnable matches was something of a blessing!!

Nottingham Forest are owned by Evangelos Marinakis, a business Tycoon, who also owns Greek Champions Olympliakos Piraeus and Rio Ave in Portugal. Forest spent much of the season in the Champions League places and might have achieved a Champions League place along with Olympiakos. This would have required Marinakis to temporarily cede control of one of the two teams which he did for Forest but not within the 1st March deadline. As such he would have had no control of appointments, transfers or sackings until they finished their European campaign. Forest suddenly went into a steep decline getting only 8 points from their last 8 matches and becoming only eligible for a Europa Conference League place rather than the more lucrative Europa League. Marinakis quickly regained his control.

The conflict of interest involving Palace and Lyon no longer applies as Textor has effectively sold his shares in our Club at a healthy profit and temporarily ceded control of Lyon. Lyon has sold a number of players to Forest and gained a European run. Chelsea has regained its Champions League place at the expense of Strasbourg who end up in the Conference League and have recently signed Omobamidele, who effectively cost them a Europa League place, at a £3m discounted price.

Thus so far the winners in this mess are Marinakis whose Olympiakos will make a fortune in Europe and retain his total control over Forest in the Europa League; Tod Boehly who similarly has Chelsea making loads of money and Strasbourg with the bronze medal; Textor whose Lyon avoids relegation, plays in the Europa League and stuffs £190m in his pocket.
The losers are the staff and fans of Strasbourg whose dreams are smashed by some dubious results in their last two matches; the fans of Lyon who have lost some of their best players but still cannot get rid of Textor; everybody at Palace who dreamed of the big high speed breakthrough into Europe but have been left with a ferry ticket; lastly football in general which sees the suspicion of corruption raise its ugly head once again.
 
Jason Smith said:
We not only unexpectedly won the FA Cup, we’ve also just discovered that we are regarded as absolute peasants! Nice to feel appreciated, isn’t it! And I thought it was all about following the beautiful game. No, there’s another, Eurocentric hierarchy, and they’ve made it perfectly clear that we are not welcome at their banquet table!
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I would say that’s the story of Palaces life. Not just in Europe. Something or someone has always spoiled our parties. We have never it seemed to me to have had the full respect of the powers that be in football. It could be that’s why a club with our potential is struggling to this day , as it always has done, indirectly to posses the infrastructure that should go with a club of Palaces stature.
I hoped our fabulous winning of the FA cup might have broken what was a glass ceiling , but this whole s*** show says hope on.
 
Putitout said:
I would say that’s the story of Palaces life. Not just in Europe. Something or someone has always spoiled our parties. We have never it seemed to me to have had the full respect of the powers that be in football. It could be that’s why a club with our potential is struggling to this day , as it always has done, indirectly to posses the infrastructure that should go with a club of Palaces stature.
I hoped our fabulous winning of the FA cup might have broken what was a glass ceiling , but this whole s*** show says hope on.
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Ours is made of reinforced bullet proof glass.
 
edskan said:
https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/1lypeil/mike_keegan_the_fa_have_written_to_uefa_in

Apparently The FA have finally stepped up their game and are supporting us. Can't understand why they waited this long!?
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Unfortunately, even the FA’s intervention made no difference to UEFA’s decision. According to AI, “It can be disclosed that the FA wrote to UEFA in support of Palace's argument, with officials supporting the right of the FA Cup winners to take part in the competition. Palace are now expected to take their case to the Court of Arbitration for Sport, where that backing could come in handy.”
 
Is there any guidance on how long it will take the court of arbitration for sport to hear this matter? As Uefa took forever to reach their decision, there must be a concern that even if the court awards in our favour, the ruling will come too late (and that some sort of financial compensation is the best we can hope for).
 
Norbury Old Git said:
For those who would like to remember how we got to this sorry situation after the high of our FA Cup win, here is my take on the situation as simply as possible.

Having won the Cup Palace earned entry into the Europa League. However, Uefa denied our entry due to the Palace majority shareholder, John Textor, owning another club Olympic Lyonnais (OL) which also qualified for this League. This created a conflict of interest which is against their rules on multi club ownership. Uefa had sent out a warning to all teams to ensure that action was taken by 1st March 2025 to ensure that control of each club in a MCO relationship was clearly separated. Palace claim control was already separate but anyway were demoted to the Europa Conference League (subject to an appeal) with Nottingham Forest (Forest) taking their place.

OL qualified by coming 6th on goal difference ahead of in form Racing Strasbourg, a BlueCo team owned by Chelsea’s Tod Boehly. This happened because Strasbourg conceded a goal scored in the 98th minute of their 2-3 goal defeat by relegation threatened Le Harve. The goal was as a result of a penalty conceded by Omobamidele, a player on loan from Forest who had been on the pitch for only a couple of minutes. Had the match been a draw then Strasbourg not Lyon would have qualified for the Europa League. There is no evidence Tod Boehly had made arrangements to separate control by 1st March so Racing losing two winnable matches was something of a blessing!!

Nottingham Forest are owned by Evangelos Marinakis, a business Tycoon, who also owns Greek Champions Olympliakos Piraeus and Rio Ave in Portugal. Forest spent much of the season in the Champions League places and might have achieved a Champions League place along with Olympiakos. This would have required Marinakis to temporarily cede control of one of the two teams which he did for Forest but not within the 1st March deadline. As such he would have had no control of appointments, transfers or sackings until they finished their European campaign. Forest suddenly went into a steep decline getting only 8 points from their last 8 matches and becoming only eligible for a Europa Conference League place rather than the more lucrative Europa League. Marinakis quickly regained his control.

The conflict of interest involving Palace and Lyon no longer applies as Textor has effectively sold his shares in our Club at a healthy profit and temporarily ceded control of Lyon. Lyon has sold a number of players to Forest and gained a European run. Chelsea has regained its Champions League place at the expense of Strasbourg who end up in the Conference League and have recently signed Omobamidele, who effectively cost them a Europa League place, at a £3m discounted price.

Thus so far the winners in this mess are Marinakis whose Olympiakos will make a fortune in Europe and retain his total control over Forest in the Europa League; Tod Boehly who similarly has Chelsea making loads of money and Strasbourg with the bronze medal; Textor whose Lyon avoids relegation, plays in the Europa League and stuffs £190m in his pocket.
The losers are the staff and fans of Strasbourg whose dreams are smashed by some dubious results in their last two matches; the fans of Lyon who have lost some of their best players but still cannot get rid of Textor; everybody at Palace who dreamed of the big high speed breakthrough into Europe but have been left with a ferry ticket; lastly football in general which sees the suspicion of corruption raise its ugly head once again.
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Great posting, Old Git! From a Fort’n Neath old git (fifth generation @ 54 Parchmore Road)!
 
redpalace91 said:
Is there any guidance on how long it will take the court of arbitration for sport to hear this matter? As Uefa took forever to reach their decision, there must be a concern that even if the court awards in our favour, the ruling will come too late (and that some sort of financial compensation is the best we can hope for).
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They took something like 10 days to hear the Drogheda case. CAS are not stupid, they will know what deadlines are present and have the ability to make expedited appeals so I would not worry about us winning an appeal but it being too late. Once we appeal I would expect it to take around 2 weeks which is no problem for the outcome. UEFA only took forever to reach their decision because they were waiting on the outcome of Lyons relegation appeal, they likely had reached their decision a long time ago and were just kicking the can down the road hoping that they Lyon would be relegated and they wouldn't have to make any decision.
 
I asked AI

Is John Textor a c***?

Here's an analysis of John Textor's recent activities and controversies, aiming to address the question of whether he is a "c***." This is a subjective and potentially offensive term, and this response will focus on objective facts and reported behaviors to allow the user to draw their own conclusions.

According to www.iAsk.Ai - Ask AI:

John Textor is a prominent figure in the world of football, primarily known for his ownership and investment in various clubs. His actions and statements have generated significant controversy, leading to legal battles, accusations of corruption, and scrutiny from governing bodies.

Key Controversies and Actions
Match-Fixing Allegations in Brazil: Textor, through his company Eagle Football, owns Botafogo in Brazil. After Botafogo lost a significant lead in the Brazilian Serie A, Textor made public accusations of match-fixing, alleging that certain matches were manipulated to benefit other teams, particularly Palmeiras.[1] He claimed to have evidence based on an AI-driven report but has been reluctant to provide specific details or evidence to the relevant authorities.[2] These accusations led to a complaint against him by Palmeiras and an investigation by the Superior Court of Sports Justice (STJD) in Brazil.[3] The STJD dismissed his claims as "worthless" and recommended a six-year ban and a fine for Textor, citing damage to the reputations of multiple teams, players, and referees.[4] Textor has also stated that manipulation in football is a reality and that he will present evidence to senators.[5]
Financial Disputes and Legal Battles: Textor is involved in a legal dispute with investors James Dinan and Alexander Knaster, who he claims defrauded him in a financing deal related to Eagle Football Holdings.[6] The investors allege Textor is trying to avoid a nearly $94 million payment.[6] The suit involves a complex financing arrangement tied to an ill-fated go-public deal for Eagle Football Holdings Limited.[6]
UEFA and Crystal Palace: Textor's ownership structure has led to complications with UEFA regulations. Because he owns stakes in both Lyon and Crystal Palace, UEFA ruled that Crystal Palace could not compete in the Europa League, despite qualifying, due to the conflict of interest rules.[7] Crystal Palace was relegated to the Conference League as a result.[7] Textor has since attempted to sell his stake in Crystal Palace to facilitate a takeover of Everton.[8]
Criticism of Governance: Textor has been vocal in his criticism of the governance of French football, labeling it as "corrupt" and criticizing the decision-making processes of the DNCG (Direction Nationale du Contrôle de Gestion), the financial watchdog.[9]
Analysis of Actions and Statements
Textor's behavior can be characterized by the following:

Accusations without Substantiation: He has made serious accusations of match-fixing without providing concrete evidence to the appropriate authorities, leading to criticism and legal repercussions.[1]
Public Criticism: He has publicly criticized governing bodies and other clubs, often using strong language.[9]
Legal Disputes: He is involved in multiple legal battles related to his business dealings.[6]
Strategic Business Moves: He is actively involved in acquiring and selling stakes in football clubs, indicating a focus on business and investment.[8]
Conclusion
Based on the available information, it is not possible to definitively answer the question of whether John Textor is a "c***." The term is subjective and offensive. However, his actions and statements have been marked by controversy, including unsubstantiated accusations, legal disputes, and public criticism of football governance. These actions have led to significant negative consequences, including potential bans and financial losses.

I think that's a yes.
 
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