Palace potentially denied entry to Europa League?

[ASCPFC]

Who was it that said " The rumors of my death have been greatly exaggerated"?

Mark Twain's obituary (written by himself).

 

[mtp1958]

Who was it that said " The rumors of my death have been greatly exaggerated"?

mark twain

 

[Part Time James]

I thought you might regale us with some medical news. I mean this thread should surely include that: it must be somehow related to the topic. I'm guessing your doctor's report got sent accidentally to UEFA, something like that? I presume you're not dead yet.
You'd start a thread looking for sympathy if you were dead wouldn't you? I know I intend to.

I could give a brief update on my ankle. Learning to walk again, getting better but still quite slow. My muscles in my leg are quite weak though. Fortunately I have my first physio session tomorrow.

Are we in Europe yet?

 

[Part Time James]

Who was it that said " The rumors of my death have been greatly exaggerated"?

Nick Gusset

Is saying his name gonna get me a yellow card?

 

[ASCPFC]

No it's "decisive influence", which means decision making power.

Did they not also chuck in "significant influence"? Which can be somewhat open to definition.
Should have just said, "whoever we want goes into Europe" with the caveat that it's all designed to "counter the threat of a Super League, so we have to placate all of the usual teams".

 

[roman eagle]

As far as I’m aware Blitzer owns 18% of Palace which may be below the threshold for decisive or significant control according to UEFA, so probably no conflict with his ownership of Brondby.

The difference between ‘significant’ and ‘decisive’ is huge. Decisive suggests the ability to make decisions without reference to others which normally mean a minimum of 51% shareholding. ‘Significant’ depends on who’s defining it - HMRC defines it as a 10% or greater shareholding but actually anything under 25% has very limited influence in English law.

I’m not sure we know if UEFA has an actual percentage attached to these descriptions which is probably why most of this thread is speculation.

 

[ASCPFC]

Who was it that said " The rumors of my death have been greatly exaggerated"?

You did just now

 

[Part Time James]

As far as I’m aware Blitzer owns 18% of Palace which may be below the threshold for decisive or significant control according to UEFA, so probably no conflict with his ownership of Brondby.

The difference between ‘significant’ and ‘decisive’ is huge. Decisive suggests the ability to make decisions without reference to others which normally mean a minimum of 51% shareholding. ‘Significant’ depends on whose defining it - HMRC defines it as a 10% or greater shareholding but actually anything under 25% has very limited influence in English law.

I’m not sure we know if UEFA has an actual percentage attached to these descriptions which is probably why most of this thread is speculation.

How does UEFA know that someone has decisive influence? We put their vote on a scale. On the other side we place some ducks. If the vote is heavier than the ducks that means their vote was decisive. It's all in the small print.

 

[ASCPFC]

How does UEFA know that someone has decisive influence? We put their vote on a scale. On the other side we place some ducks. If the vote is heavier than the ducks that means their vote was decisive. It's all in the small print.

Replace ducks with dollars and you're probably close.

 

[taylors lovechild]

It wasn’t Textor that has kept us out of Europe, it’s essentially down to the voting power and influence that Lyon have through the ECA, plus it’s political influence and connections with the French government, as evidenced by Lyon’s chairman and club president, Michele Kang meeting up with the French sports minister, Marie Barsacq, on Tuesday evening. It couldn’t be more in your face and blatant that we’re up against a very powerful network of elite institutional interests.

You misunderstood what I meant. If we are denied a place in Europe it will be because of Textor's presence, whether that is fair or not. That will be his legacy if that happens, the man whose presence meant we were denied entry to Europe. He is a charlatan in my view. Just look at how he responded to the question of whether he was interested in buying Sheff Wednesday. He says he wouldn't comment and then made it clear he very much is interested in buying them by blathering on about how great they are. My prediction is it all go t!ts up in a few years and he'll disappear to a tax haven.

 

[mtp1958]

As far as I’m aware Blitzer owns 18% of Palace which may be below the threshold for decisive or significant control according to UEFA, so probably no conflict with his ownership of Brondby.

The difference between ‘significant’ and ‘decisive’ is huge. Decisive suggests the ability to make decisions without reference to others which normally mean a minimum of 51% shareholding. ‘Significant’ depends on who’s defining it - HMRC defines it as a 10% or greater shareholding but actually anything under 25% has very limited influence in English law.

I’m not sure we know if UEFA has an actual percentage attached to these descriptions which is probably why most of this thread is speculation.

have read the rule again no percentage mentioned , the rule is set up for clear ownership with influence , our set up isn't covered , thats why they dont know were it fits

 

[Part Time James]

You misunderstood what I meant. If we are denied a place in Europe it will be because of Textor's presence, whether that is fair or not. That will be his legacy if that happens, the man whose presence meant we were denied entry to Europe. He is a charlatan in my view. Just look at how he responded to the question of whether he was interested in buying Sheff Wednesday. He says he wouldn't comment and then made it clear he very much is interested in buying them by blathering on about how great they are. My prediction is it all go t!ts up in a few years and he'll disappear to a tax haven.

I want to know where he was on the 22nd of November 1963.

This guy might be responsible for way more than just shady football doings.

 

[Foxy82]

This is (part of) Article 5.01, direct from the UEFA website.

Is this not saying that a person cannot even hold any shares of another club in the same competition? If so, we are clearly in breach aren't we? Or, at least were on March 1st!

 

[roman eagle]

have read the rule again no percentage mentioned , the rule is set up for clear ownership with influence , our set up isn't covered , thats why they dont know were it fits

Thanks for clarifying. Effectively that means that those two words can mean anything that they want them to mean! ‘ it’s significant’ - no it isn’t - oh yes it is etc. It’s pantomime time!

 

[Common Sense Club]

This is (part of) Article 5.01, direct from the UEFA website.

Is this not saying that a person cannot even hold any shares of another club in the same competition? If so, we are clearly in breach aren't we? Or, at least were on March 1st!

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Okay, but that doesn't mention the SAME UEFA competition, so by that wording it means that Palace could not play in the Europa League because Brondby are in the Europa Conference, and Blitzer has shares in both.

 

[Jason Smith]

One thing's for sure: Part time James has a doctor's appointment or something. He'll tell us all about it later.

Yep, that knee problem again. Been off work quite a bit lately … poor chap.

 

[Part Time James]

I wonder what is outstanding now for UEFA to make their decision

 

[silvertop]

Did they not also chuck in "significant influence"? Which can be somewhat open to definition.
Should have just said, "whoever we want goes into Europe" with the caveat that it's all designed to "counter the threat of a Super League, so we have to placate all of the usual teams".

Hmm, it is between us and a similar sized club.

If our demotion/expulsion meant Man Utd taking our place, I suspect we would be on page 500 by now (and the BBC would have long abandoned any pretense of neutrality).

 

[silvertop]

I wonder what is outstanding now for UEFA to make their decision

The time it takes to write it in a manner the whole tribunal and EUFA's lawyers agree.

If this were the High Court you would be waiting months.

 

[martinelliff]

This is (part of) Article 5.01, direct from the UEFA website.

Is this not saying that a person cannot even hold any shares of another club in the same competition? If so, we are clearly in breach aren't we? Or, at least were on March 1st!

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If the rules of article 5 mean if any of a, b or c are true then we have no grounds for an appeal. And won't even get in the Conference due to the same issue with Bronby. However if all 3 have to be true for article 5 to apply then we have a case to appeal that Textor did not have decisive control. Not a lawyer so dont know.