Israel v Hamas

HKOwen said:
Please stop interfering with his righteous indignation that other less worthy folks don't subscribe to.
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And as ever from Hol's resident troll, no contributions to make of his own, just endless posts about other posters.

A very, very weird bloke - the desperation for approval reeks off of you.
 
CPFCSaturn said:
Yep, that's exactly what it means and how it works - genocide scholars are well known for calling everything a genocide, definitely.

But you know better than all of them.
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Many do not but are quickly cancelled and shunned by those with the genocide agenda.

I think your biggest issue is that so many people simply don't believe this linguistic melodrama and end up dismissing the claimant as not credible or reliable
 
Spindle said:
Many do not but are quickly cancelled and shunned by those with the genocide agenda.

I think your biggest issue is that so many people simply don't believe this linguistic melodrama and end up dismissing the claimant as not credible or reliable
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Anything to back that up?

I don't have an issue - my view is shared by the majority of people in the country and indeed around the world. You are representing a fringe view underpinned by dishonesty and misrepresentation.

The reality is anyone who is still supportive of Israel's action is going to dismiss any and every claim as not credible or reliable (or maybe antisemitic) - to still be in that camp at this stage of the genocide is dependent on fundamental dishonesty.
 
CPFCSaturn said:
You're deflecting from the ongoing genocide to inane culture war nonsense and waffling about 'queers for Palestine' - I don't care about it. Go and start a thread and I'm sure people who do care will contribute to it.

You're more concerned by a singer saying some mean words than you are about the killing of children.
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I find your last sentence outrageous, I challenge you to find a post from me that says anything remotely in support of the killing of children.
Yes I do care that a “ singer” can openly call for killing but is not prosecuted for hate speech, presumably you supported last summers prosecutions, which would come as no surprise to many on here.
 
Spiderman said:
I find your last sentence outrageous, I challenge you to find a post from me that says anything remotely in support of the killing of children.
Yes I do care that a “ singer” can openly call for killing but is not prosecuted for hate speech, presumably you supported last summers prosecutions, which would come as no surprise to many on here.
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I didn't say you support the killing of children, I said you're more concerned with the mean words the man from Glastonbury said, which you evidently seem to be.
 
CPFCSaturn said:
Yep, that's exactly what it means and how it works - genocide scholars are well known for calling everything a genocide, definitely.

But you know better than all of them.
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How many times do you want to go round this block?

It doesn't matter what you want to call it. It's war.

The morality you have here and now in Britain in your cosy house/office is of no consequence.

In Palestine, a different morality applies. It is the morality of an endless war between entrenched ideologies with no chance of compromise.

Can you not see that?

You and I are in no position to judge, whether you believe it or not.
 
Hrolf The Ganger said:
How many times do you want to go round this block?

It doesn't matter what you want to call it. It's war.

The morality you have here and now in Britain in your cosy house/office is of no consequence.

In Palestine, a different morality applies. It is the morality of an endless war between entrenched ideologies with no chance of compromise.

Can you not see that?

You and I are in no position to judge, whether you believe it or not.
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As many times as you keep replying to me saying exactly the same thing I guess.

I understand your view - I don't agree with it, but I understand it. There really is no need to keep posting it to me.

You consider it war. I consider it genocide.

We don't have to agree.

As many times as people want to tell me it's not genocide, I'm going to cite that expert opinion that it is, because that's obviously extremely relevant to the point.

If, in response to that, you see fit to tell me about 'realities of war' and the rest of the spiel for the 8th time, that's entirely your prerogative.
 
CPFCSaturn said:
As many times as you keep replying to me saying exactly the same thing I guess.

I understand your view - I don't agree with it, but I understand it. There really is no need to keep posting it to me.

You consider it war. I consider it genocide.

We don't have to agree.
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Well indeed. Stop saying it's genocide, and you won't get a response to the contrary.

What you and I think doesn't matter. What 'experts' think doesn't matter. That is kind of the point. Our idea of what is right and wrong are just words blowing in the wind.
 
Hrolf The Ganger said:
Well indeed. Stop saying it's genocide, and you won't get a response to the contrary.

What you and I think doesn't matter. That is kind of the point. Our idea of what is right and wrong are just words blowing in the wind.
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I'm not going to stop sharing my opinion because you don't agree with it.

Did I mention my opinion is also shared by the overwhelming majority of genocide experts as well as every human rights organisation in the world 😉
 
CPFCSaturn said:
I'm not going to stop sharing my opinion because you don't agree with it.

Did I mention my opinion is also shared by the overwhelming majority of genocide experts as well as every human rights organisation in the world.
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There is no neutrality in opinion. You might think there is, but people who become 'experts' in genocide do so most likely because they already have bias.

I'd have thought that would be obvious.
 
Hrolf The Ganger said:
How many times do you want to go round this block?

It doesn't matter what you want to call it. It's war.

The morality you have here and now in Britain in your cosy house/office is of no consequence.

In Palestine, a different morality applies. It is the morality of an endless war between entrenched ideologies with no chance of compromise.

Can you not see that?

You and I are in no position to judge, whether you believe it or not.
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Indeed. You are going around it again.

There isn’t different morality in Gaza. The fact that one side ignores it does not permit the other to, especially if they claim to be part of the civilised world.

We don’t judge, but international conventions and history do, and will.

unric.org

International law: Understanding justice in times of war

War crimes, crimes against humanity, genocide, ethnic cleansing: what do these international justice terms mean?
unric.org unric.org
 
CPFCSaturn said:
Anything to back that up?

I don't have an issue - my view is shared by the majority of people in the country and indeed around the world. You are representing a fringe view underpinned by dishonesty and misrepresentation.

The reality is anyone who is still supportive of Israel's action is going to dismiss any and every claim as not credible or reliable (or maybe antisemitic) - to still be in that camp at this stage of the genocide is dependent on fundamental dishonesty.
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Don't make me laugh. The majority know nothing about it, then there are people such as yourself who believe it is and those who have reasonable comparisons to say it isn't.

What stage of the genocide are we at exactly? Is it the stage where they count up and find that the population grew?
 
Spindle said:
Don't make me laugh. The majority know nothing about it, then there are people such as yourself who believe it is and those who have reasonable comparisons to say it isn't.

What stage of the genocide are we at exactly? Is it the stage where they count up and find that the population grew?
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I'll take that as a no, you don't have anything to back up your claim, but on we pivot to the next one.

Let's try (again) to factcheck this population claim that you keep banding about...

Who is counting the population in Gaza at the moment?

The IDF claim not to have a civilian death toll, and we all know HAMAS NUMBERS can't be trusted... so how could anyone possibly have an accurate count of the population?
 
The UN's definition of genocide, outlined in the 1948 Genocide Convention, refers to acts committed with the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial, or religious group. These acts include killing members of the group, causing them serious bodily or mental harm, deliberately inflicting conditions of life calculated to bring about physical destruction, imposing measures to prevent births, and forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

This definition has no numerical aspect, it is all about intent. One person being killed, injured or suffering mental harm is a genocide if the intent was as defined here.

You can make this suit any narrative you want to promote. For the current Gaza tragedy to be defined as a genocide using this definition , the test would be the prove Israel has intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial, or religious group.. So which is it, national, ethnical, racial or religious?

On the other side of this, Hamas has stated intent to destroy and eradicate the State of Israel and its people, as does Iran and all it's proxies. So in the case of Hamas and Iran the genocide is self admitted.
October 7th was an act of genocide under the UN definition.

The Russian kidnapping of Ukranian children would be a genocidal act, the Yazidis have been subject to genocide, the Armenians were etc etc

The genocide " experts " are all putting their opinions forward which as with all opinions does not make them intrinsically correct.
 
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Stirlingsays said:
On the starvation blockade alone.

They would have excused those millions of starved to death prisoners onto him.

Churchill said it himself, 'history will be kind to us, for I intend to write it.'

One hell of a writer by the way, if people haven't read him.

Deserved all those awards.
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Less lauded for his paintings
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