Israel v Hamas

It seems to me that you, along with some others here, do not understand the difference between opposing the actions of a government and opposing the religion they hold.

Yes that's what you keep telling us. But you also don't think Jews deserved the state of Israel and have trivialised October 7. While holding Israel to a different set of war standards to anyone else. So forgive us for thinking it's a bit more than you just don't like Benjamin Netanyahu.
 
Do you seriously think that there has never been other wars in which the combatants have made much greater efforts than this one to avoid civilian casualties and allow the free flow of relief to them?

I have some recent examples from the region. Are these examples of genocide too? If not I'd like to know why.

Assad regime in Syria. 500,000 killed and 13 million displaced.

Saudi Arabia led coalition in Yemen. Almost 400,000 dead.

Genocide or just war?

Then you have Myanmar where the international courts have ruled a genocide.

Was Dresden in WW2 a genocide?
 
I have some recent examples from the region. Are these examples of genocide too? If not I'd like to know why.

Assad regime in Syria. 500,000 killed and 13 million displaced.

Saudi Arabia led coalition in Yemen. Almost 400,000 dead.

Genocide or just war?

Then you have Myanmar where the international courts have ruled a genocide.

Was Dresden in WW2 a genocide?
Unquestionably. Churchill was sure that if we lost the war he would be tried for it, and Harris made similar comments.

Not sure what you are adding with Myanmar as it is common ground.

You are also providing what are likely to be common ground with Syria, although Yemen is more complex.

Actually, I am not sure what point you are making. Israel's actions in Gaza are without reasonable doubt genocide. You cant kill 60000 plus, largely by way of collateral punishment/ethnic cleansing and call it anything else. So, is the point you are making that they are being unfairly singled out?

In response, I would agree with the words "singled out" relative to the other countries you cite. But "unfairly" - no.

By extension, this means because others are doing it we cannot criticize anyone. That has to be rubbish, no?

However, Syria was backed by Russia, Myanmar by China and, while we're at it, North Korea also by China. All of them are essentially rogue states where little more than brutal despotism is expected. Not much we can do there given geo-political issues save bleat from the sidelines. The Saudis are fighting a proxy war with Iran in Yemen hence more difficult to call.

But Israel? A close ally and friend and the only western democracy in the region. There we expect more and can do more hence the reason they are singled out. Also, the horrors in those other countries are largely localized. Israel's actions seem to have much wider impact.
 
Unquestionably. Churchill was sure that if we lost the war he would be tried for it, and Harris made similar comments.

On the starvation blockade alone.

They would have excused those millions of starved to death prisoners onto him.

Churchill said it himself, 'history will be kind to us, for I intend to write it.'

One hell of a writer by the way, if people haven't read him.

Deserved all those awards.
 
Everybody who looks into it understands why Israel gets to do what it wants.

Whether you agree with it or not it's going to happen and....if you ask me the Saudis and Qatar are quite happy for it to happen.

But on the moral aspects of it, for those with a memory of the 'war' in Libya.....The justification for going in there was that Gaddafi duck was going to wipe out Benghazi.....which never happened....but what did happen was that his anus got wiped out before a bullet took his brains out.

It's hard not to be cynical.
 
It seems to me that you, along with some others here, do not understand the difference between opposing the actions of a government and opposing the religion they hold.

Honestly I think they are hiding. I wouldn't call everyone antisemitic here, including yourself, but then (I don't think) you are celebrating Bob t*** getting to number 1 in the charts.

I also think that the Israeli government have every right to act and that there's a lot of scrutiny and bias against them, despite the fanatic hatred they face, which is something they have never wanted. For them to be accused of the aggression when there's no such actual thing as Palestine, unlike genuine fights such as the Kurds, is disgusting.

Arab nations get a free pass on anti Palestine atrocity and "cleansing", Jews don't seem to. And the rationale behind it appears to be because they have managed to put themselves into a powerful position which has been a outcome of constant attack by neighbours, domestically and otherwise and consequently are overwhelmingly victorious.. So would you be more sympathetic if the IDF suffered some significant losses ??
 
It also shows how strong public opinion is against Israel's genocide.
Many of whom, when interviewed haven’t got a scooby about Israel or Palestine, ( ie Queers for Palestine…🤣), Israel is of course the most liberal Country in the Middle East when it comes to accepting homosexuality, their recent Pride event was disrupted by Irans missiles. so I would say it’s jumping on a political bandwagon rather than having a strong opinion. Do you think his comments deserve prosecution, not dissimilar to many last Summer were they?
 
Many of whom, when interviewed haven’t got a scooby about Israel or Palestine, ( ie Queers for Palestine…🤣), Israel is of course the most liberal Country in the Middle East when it comes to accepting homosexuality, their recent Pride event was disrupted by Irans missiles. so I would say it’s jumping on a political bandwagon rather than having a strong opinion. Do you think his comments deserve prosecution, not dissimilar to many last Summer were they?

I don't think you need to be any sort of expert to oppose what Israel are doing - anyone with access to a smart phone and a shred of morality about them is going to come to the same conclusion, as is being evidenced around the world.

I don't think opposing the slaughter of tens of thousands of civilians is a 'political bandwagon' personally.

I struggle to put into words how little I care about some musician I'd never heard of until two weeks ago - if anyone is more outraged by a few chants from a singer than they are about the ongoing killing of women and children, I'd strongly suggest some self-reflection.
 
Yes I'd doubt that Iran were sorting out a gay orgy in one of the bunkers, like that openly gay influencer was in Tel Aviv as the rockets came down.
 
Incorrectly perceived because of successful propaganda. It isn't genocide on 2 types of actual definition.
Obviously you know better than genocide scholars around the world, every human rights organisation in existence as well as numerous western governments.

Thanks for clearing that up.
 
I don't think you need to be any sort of expert to oppose what Israel are doing - anyone with access to a smart phone and a shred of morality about them is going to come to the same conclusion, as is being evidenced around the world.

I don't think opposing the slaughter of tens of thousands of civilians is a 'political bandwagon' personally.

I struggle to put into words how little I care about some musician I'd never heard of until two weeks ago - if anyone is more outraged by a few chants from a singer than they are about the ongoing killing of women and children, I'd strongly suggest some self-reflection.
The concern about the 'singer' is that people have been imprisoned for making far less serious remarks.
 
I don't think you need to be any sort of expert to oppose what Israel are doing - anyone with access to a smart phone and a shred of morality about them is going to come to the same conclusion, as is being evidenced around the world.

I don't think opposing the slaughter of tens of thousands of civilians is a 'political bandwagon' personally.

I struggle to put into words how little I care about some musician I'd never heard of until two weeks ago - if anyone is more outraged by a few chants from a singer than they are about the ongoing killing of women and children, I'd strongly suggest some self-reflection.


Now I can see why you are so outraged. You use tiktok and the likes for your wartime information.

Try some other channels from people who know what the fk they are talking about.
 
I don't think you need to be any sort of expert to oppose what Israel are doing - anyone with access to a smart phone and a shred of morality about them is going to come to the same conclusion, as is being evidenced around the world.

I don't think opposing the slaughter of tens of thousands of civilians is a 'political bandwagon' personally.

I struggle to put into words how little I care about some musician I'd never heard of until two weeks ago - if anyone is more outraged by a few chants from a singer than they are about the ongoing killing of women and children, I'd strongly suggest some self-reflection.
Nice deflection from my question. Whether you care about him or not, did what he chanted warrant prosecution, bearing in mind those last Summer?
 
Obviously you know better than genocide scholars around the world, every human rights organisation in existence as well as numerous western governments.

Thanks for clearing that up.

"Genocide Scholar"? So their livelihood relies on genocide occurrence? Not surprised they call it then, who wouldn't.
 
Nice deflection from my question. Whether you care about him or not, did what he chanted warrant prosecution, bearing in mind those last Summer?
You're deflecting from the ongoing genocide to inane culture war nonsense and waffling about 'queers for Palestine' - I don't care about it. Go and start a thread and I'm sure people who do care will contribute to it.

You're more concerned by a singer saying some mean words than you are about the killing of children.
 
"Genocide Scholar"? So their livelihood relies on genocide occurrence? Not surprised they call it then, who wouldn't.
Yep, that's exactly what it means and how it works - genocide scholars are well known for calling everything a genocide, definitely.

But you know better than all of them.
 

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