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Palace potentially denied entry to Europa League?

If we are in European football then it’s not just an expanded squad we need but knowledgable people say we also need to expand the support staff, it’s a big deal, made so much bigger by a club being left in limbo as Palace are.
We won the FA cup , apart from the actual cup the prize was a place in European competition. Well no ! The European part is becoming the punishment for daring to win the cup.
 
Seems pretty much that UEFA is looking for a way to avoid an official decision about multi club ownerships.
If Lyon´s out they can let us start in the Europe League and don´t have to have a look at our ownership status.

There was plenty of time to make a decision if the selling after 1st of march would be acceptable.
But that would have forced them to set a precedent.
 
RonSwanson said:
Seems pretty much that UEFA is looking for a way to avoid an official decision about multi club ownerships.
If Lyon´s out they can let us start in the Europe League and don´t have to have a look at our ownership status.

There was plenty of time to make a decision if the selling after 1st of march would be acceptable.
But that would have forced them to set a precedent.
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It's as if Ron Swanson ran UEFA! (I presume your name isn't Ron Swanson and you're referencing the character).
 
RonSwanson said:
Seems pretty much that UEFA is looking for a way to avoid an official decision about multi club ownerships.
If Lyon´s out they can let us start in the Europe League and don´t have to have a look at our ownership status.

There was plenty of time to make a decision if the selling after 1st of march would be acceptable.
But that would have forced them to set a precedent.
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Yeah this is my take on it as well.

The rules aren't fit for purpose as they're probably modelled on the multi club ownership model favoured by the bigger teams and then along comes Palace with a complex set up, that leaves their shoddy rules completely open to interpretation in terms of what Textor's involvement in Palace was. I think our argument initially was that we didn't need to go down the blind trust route as Textor had no say in the running of the club, so therefore we've not broken any rules. Whether that's true is open to interpretation and it's that interpretation that UEFA knows we'll push at the CAS should they say we're out and we appeal.

So seems obvious that they've looked at the situation and said "hmm, if Lyon get relegated then we don't need to make a ruling, our precious rules aren't challenged and we don't look like the complete numpty's that we are". So fabricate a "wait till the end of June" to allow the French to relegate Lyon and then use that as an excuse to not make a ruling.

The fact it f*cks us over for transfers and planning, as far as they're concerned, meh.

Also, let's not forget that they only moved the deadline from June to April for the blind trust so that they had less work to get done in the summer!
 
Can't see the Lyon ruling being enforced.
Hope I'm wrong but I think Lyon's Appeal will win because
a) money talks and French league tv deal is struggling and it needs Lyon's participation.
b) Textor has removed himself from immediate oversight of Lyon so now the conversations will happen with him with club reps looked upon more favourably in France football circles. Worse thing of course is we have no idea when any decisions in this mess will actually happen.
c) Cant honestly see a French panel allowing a reduction in French representatives in Europe either.

Couple of stories floating around on media today that we might be demoted to conference league.
Can see this happening. It would obviously suit Lyon and Forest who could would be promoted to Europa preventing their appeal. Would Palace appeal demotion while staying in Europe Would we be able to?
 
If the decision goes against us, and we appeal, does anybody know whether a similar appeal has succeeded in similar circumstances?

It may be that our situation is unique, but I feel that UEFA play by their own rules which they interpret as they see fit.
Thus I wouldn’t be confident about the success of an appeal.
 
Part Time James said:
Maybe this was all UEFA were waiting for.

Good news tomorrow chaps.
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That is his directorship gone. That is, his executive role as officer of the company.

He still owns the shares and thus has a quarter beneficial ownership of the club.

I can make an educated guess how that features in interpretation of the regulations; but I cant be bothered to either re-read them or do that. There has been enough of all that.
 
Teddy Eagle said:
Presumably the non-voting element is relevant but Brighton fans might not want to crow too loudly.

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Brighton owner Tony Bloom buys stake in Hearts

Brighton & Hove Albion owner Tony Bloom has invested £9.86m to acquire a 29% stake in Heart of Midlothian, the club said on Wednesday.
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Always keeps just under the threshold. I still believe there is something dodgy between him and Boehly, who has given Brighton over £300m since 2022, for players and staff
 
Lanzo-Ad said:
We struggled to get a starting 11 fit last season, many played out of position, that was 47 games, Spurs and Man Utd played 60 matches, if it wasn't for 3 terrible teams, both could have been relegated.
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Man Utd are something of a basket case. But Spurs? Good team, deep pockets and (despite the criticism) competent manager. Yet they barely survived. What chance a smaller club with far fewer resources? Remember, Ange placed much of the fault for their poor season at the door of the very competition we are fighting to get in to.

This Europe lark has something of a damned if we don't and possibly damned if we do about it.

I suspect I am like many on here. Get into Europe, grit your teeth and hope...
 
Badger11 said:
FA need to pull their finger out now and approve Johnson's ownership.

It shouldn't take long most delays are caused by the new (dodgy) owner not being able to prove his wealth, that shouldn't be a problem.

The other main delay is related to policial matters e.g. owner is part of despicable regime e.g. Saudi's or Libya. Johnson maybe a Trump fanboy but that is not a reason to block his takeover. I don't see why this couldn't be done in the next few days.
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AML checks are all but instant. There is a register. He isn't on it.
 
silvertop said:
Man Utd are something of a basket case. But Spurs? Good team, deep pockets and (despite the criticism) competent manager. Yet they barely survived. What chance a smaller club with far fewer resources? Remember, Ange placed much of the fault for their poor season at the door of the very competition we are fighting to get in to.

This Europe lark has something of a damned if we don't and possibly damned if we do about it.

I suspect I am like many on here. Get into Europe, grit your teeth and hope...
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Big Ange’s training methods were thought to contribute to the injuries that Spurs had.

I get the concerns over competing in Europe but we have a manager that knows what it takes to be successful in European competition- and somebody not in favour of big squads
 
Badger11 said:
I think Textor resigning from the lyon board was done under pressure from the shareholders and creditors.

Lyon will no doubt be playing that well worn card "It''s no us but the previous owner whose now gone, so it's unfair to penalise us."
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Its an accounting exercise with greater clarity and objectivity (for those that understand the numbers). If the figures have now moved passed the relevant coefficient (or whatever), or the figures were not properly assessed the first time round, then the appeal should be successful.

Rightly so if that properly represents the rules. However, it is difficult to see how such an appeal can succeed unless here has been a sizeable injection of cash (and not just into the trousers of the appeal board).

Ours is more a subjective assessment of a deliberately vague, catch-all provision. Is/was Textor's shareholding/directorship indicative of sufficient control to cover the problem the regulations were designed to prevent? If not, we should go in.

The problem is, EUFA seem to be hanging their decision on the Lyon appeal. I get that Lyon being turned down means they don't have to decide anything. My concern is that they may be equally idol and decide that a successful Lyon appeal means we can not progress. It does not mean that. It means they actually have to make a decision based on their rules.
 
I think the way UEFA will make any decision, will be to have three bottles of wine, and toss for it. 😀
 
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