Grooming gangs

[beak]

That is probably true as the Right wing economist John Maynard Keynes (who is part of the Milton Keynes name) strongly supported eugenics. Not a policy most voters liked to be honest.

I thought we would have a few contributors on here wanting to defend the right wing policy of eugenics, it looks like they do have some shame.

 

[Spindle]

Funny how labour MPs are coming out now in support of the inquiry yet they forgot they voted against it in parliament 🤷🏻‍♂️

The sooner you understand that this is cross party the better.

Some Tory on radio 4 this morning having a pop at Starmer before he asked her how many of the 20 recommendations her government implemented during their 14 years.

None.

It was a female Labour MP who first brought up that they were Pakistani in 2003 and was outed as a racist

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Why is that if it was so successful?

It wasn’t!

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Odd then that any arrests have been made at all. Perhaps some sectors of the community are more civic minded than others.

It must be very difficult but with a lot of work it obviously has been done. Some sectors of the community feel less marginalised than others.

 

[Badger11]

BBS in full denial mode. Offenders mainly white, it's all Reform’s fault blah blah.

Regarding ethnicity.

It is true that the majority of sex child offenders are white British. However these offences are mainly committed in the home normally by the father. The result maybe the same, but it is not the same type of crime as pimping girls out to strangers.

I would not expect PC99 to know what is going on in someone's home unless it has been reported.

The point about the Grooming gangs is that the victims were not related to the offenders and was taking place in public. It can be argued that they were being used as prostitutes.

You would expect the local authorities to be aware of the local sex trade and therefore the makeup of the people involved.

The government will now record the ethnicity of the offenders but I suspect the purpose of this is to hide the grooming gangs amongst the family related cases e.g. 90% of all sex offences are by white men why are you focusing on Pakistanis?

White grooming gangs do exist and should be eradicated but we should not lose focus on the real problem.

 

[Badger11]

The sooner you understand that this is cross party the better.

Some Tory on radio 4 this morning having a pop at Starmer before he asked her how many of the 20 recommendations her government implemented during their 14 years.

None.

It was a female Labour MP who first brought up that they were Pakistani in 2003 and was outed as a racist

Agreed and she was shut down by Labour including Starmer.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

regarding these rape gangs. I have always asked where were their mothers, sisters, female cousins, and wives ? surely they saw and heard stuff ? but why the silence ?

Have you asked them? Finding out why is important.

Until we know we can only speculate. It could be cultural. If so we need to break the adherence to that aspect of their culture. It could be fear of retribution. If so we need to protect them. It could be distrust of the police. If so we need to build trust.

 

[georgenorman]

Have you asked them? Finding out why is important.

Until we know we can only speculate. It could be cultural. If so we need to break the adherence to that aspect of their culture. It could be fear of retribution. If so we need to protect them. It could be distrust of the police. If so we need to build trust.

Fear of their 'community'.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

The sooner you understand that this is cross party the better.

Some Tory on radio 4 this morning having a pop at Starmer before he asked her how many of the 20 recommendations her government implemented during their 14 years.

None.

It was a female Labour MP who first brought up that they were Pakistani in 2003 and was outed as a racist

This is why inter party allegations and accusations are a diversion. The more time everyone spends talking about one side of the other the more they're distracted from the the real issues, namely the welfare of the victims and how the situation was allowed to develop.
Of course it's important that lessons are learned to prevent further occurrences but there are an unknown number of vulnerable young girls who deserve compassion, help and, if it's possible, justice.
One thought is how things might have been different had it been exclusively female police officers to whom the original complaints were made; it shouldn't matter but it's probable they'd have been been treated with more empathy than seems to have been the case.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

ROA is a settled status. It is the same as having Citizenship apart from not having a British passport. It is primarily used by those who wish to continue to use their own nationality passport rather than a British one, there is no qualifying period, as far as I know, as they have an automatic right to Citizenship.
Do not get confused with Permanent Residency.
Over the years there have been many types of British passports issued, which is a bit of a minefield regarding right of stay in the UK, these are slowly being removed.
For example you had British Dependent Territory Citizens: British Overseas Citizens: British National Overseas Citizens: British Protected Persons.
The second and third examples did not have an automatic right to stay, in fact BNO had to qualify for entry like any other foreign national

Thanks. I acknowledge your better understanding of the detailed working of a complicated situation. Nevertheless the original point remains that the claim made was untrue.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

It wasn’t!

But isn't that the approach you've been advocating?

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

2012. My point t was, that as DPP he would have been fully aware of the ethnicity of those involved and the extent of the abuse.

Without the data to work with all anyone had was innuendo. Lawyers work with provable facts, not innuendo.

The data still doesn’t exist and a major part of the audit report is the recommendation that it should.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

But isn't that the approach you've been advocating?

No. I have tried to offer possible explanations of why the initial approach was adopted.

I advocate ensuring that we don’t alienate a whole community but try to get them on our side and for them to distance themselves from the criminals in their midst.

That too was present in yesterday’s recommendations!

How best to achieve that is why modifications were made, and no doubt will continue to be made as we learn what works and what does not.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Without the data to work with all anyone had was innuendo. Lawyers work with provable facts, not innuendo.

The data still doesn’t exist and a major part of the audit report is the recommendation that it should.

From The Guardian:
Lady Casey said she found evidence of “over-representation” of Asian and Pakistani heritage men among suspects in local data – collected in Greater Manchester, West and South Yorkshire – and criticised a continued failure to gather robust data at a national level.

Such data was available.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Ridiculous statement. I haven’t found mine yet, who do I nominate?

You don’t need to.

Others can. Possibly the leaders of other community groups will know who can effectively speak for them and put over their points of view. It just needs good will and collaboration.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

No. I have tried to offer possible explanations of why the initial approach was adopted.

I advocate ensuring that we don’t alienate a whole community but try to get them on our side and for them to distance themselves from the criminals in their midst.

That too was present in yesterday’s recommendations!

How best to achieve that is why modifications were made, and no doubt will continue to be made as we learn what works and what does not.

OK but it was an approach which did nothing to help the victims.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

From The Guardian:
Lady Casey said she found evidence of “over-representation” of Asian and Pakistani heritage men among suspects in local data – collected in Greater Manchester, West and South Yorkshire – and criticised a continued failure to gather robust data at a national level.

Such data was available.

I know that.

She also said it wasn’t enough on its own but was indicative of the need to collect the data.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

OK but it was an approach which did nothing to help the victims.

It was an approach to try to stop there being victims.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

I know that.

She also said it wasn’t enough on its own but was indicative of the need to collect the data.

It did exist though. If police reports reflected the same information on numerous occasions why wasn't it "enough"? This wasn't anecdotal, it was in official reports.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

It was an approach to try to stop there being victims.

There were already victims. Thousands of them in all probability.