Grooming gangs

[Spiderman]

If culpable then of course. If by mistake, or because of overwork, no.

The only mistakes made were trying to discredit the victims, maybe they were overworked but no excuse for ignoring mass rape I’m afraid

 

[Spiderman]

Culpability has already been acknowledged in some cases but if there really are others then they too should be required to account. If they made mistakes when under pressure and trying to follow a policy, then that would be scapegoating.

What policy? The one that said don’t take action to avert racial tension? What other policy could there possibly be for social services to ignore mass rape if young girls

 

[Spiderman]

That’s a ridiculous comment.

No one fears losing the “Muslim Vote” when it’s more likely that any perceived lack of action would lose far more votes!

Trying to manage the response in a way that didn’t alienate the whole community when their cooperation was the key to identifying the criminals is what was done.

Of course they do. MPs in places like Bradford, Rotherham would lose far more votes, just look at the demographics of the voters

 

[Spiderman]

Several men were found guilty this past week and were told to expect long jail time.

7 when it is a known fact that far more were involved. All were bailed ( unlike the Southport lot) and guess what 1 has absconded and whereabouts unknown. Why anyone charged with these heinous crimes are bailed beggars belief. Maybe they were to,d to surrender their British passports but guess what, they will all be dual nationals

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

t's not arbitrary if it is largely one ethnicity committing a particular crime. It's specifically relevant to the investigation. What will you say when you see the statistics and grooming gangs are, for example, 80% Pakistani? Will that be irrelevant? How will it be irrelevant? Should the police then investigate South Africans due to how irrelevant it is?
On the wider point, it's like turning a blind eye to who carries knives and commits knife crime due to "racist". That's worked out well too. Target the people who are doing the crimes - it's not a hard concept and a basic of crime and policing.
It saves lives, stops crime and, hopefully, creates less victims. How can anyone disagree with that?

How the Police handle things internally is not the same as what is said publicly by them, politicians or the media. If they know the criminals are largely of one ethnicity then they will obviously focus on them but in ways which don’t also make entirely innocent people feel they too are being accused.

There’s nothing unusual or improper in doing this. It’s common sense.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Of course they do. MPs in places like Bradford, Rotherham would lose far more votes, just look at the demographics of the voters

The number of votes in places like Bradford and Rotherham is tiny when compared to those that aren’t! Individual local MPs may be cautious but it would be nonsensical to develop a national policy along such lines.

Populist parties do precisely the opposite.

 

[Eagleman13]

7 when it is a known fact that far more were involved. All were bailed ( unlike the Southport lot) and guess what 1 has absconded and whereabouts unknown. Why anyone charged with these heinous crimes are bailed beggars belief. Maybe they were to,d to surrender their British passports but guess what, they will all be dual nationals

Spider, why to you waste time & energy on that Troll. It ain't ever going to 'agree' it will say total opposite to everyone, just to get 'clicks'. Chill my man.

 

[Spiderman]

The number of votes in places like Bradford and Rotherham is tiny when compared to those that aren’t! Individual local MPs may be cautious but it would be nonsensical to develop a national policy along such lines.

Populist parties do precisely the opposite.

So MPs in those places do fear losing the Muslim vote, although most are possibly Muslim anyway. Who mentioned a national policy?

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

7 when it is a known fact that far more were involved. All were bailed ( unlike the Southport lot) and guess what 1 has absconded and whereabouts unknown. Why anyone charged with these heinous crimes are bailed beggars belief. Maybe they were to,d to surrender their British passports but guess what, they will all be dual nationals

You, or anyone else, thinking you know “facts” is totally different to being able to present them to a Court in a way to get a conviction. Which is the primary reason that we need to keep their community onside and not alienated so they become a place of refuge from a society trying to victimise them.

Why they were given bail, and others were not, I am unable to comment on. I don’t have the facts. Only the Judge does. Do you, or are you relying on what you read in the press?

 

[Spiderman]

Spider, why to you waste time & energy on that Troll. It ain't ever going to 'agree' it will say total opposite to everyone, just to get 'clicks'. Chill my man.

It’s the close season 🤣. I have long thought he is a troll

 

[Rudi Hedman]

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Traitor.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

So MPs in those places do fear losing the Muslim vote, although most are possibly Muslim anyway. Who mentioned a national policy?

I did, because that’s where policy is determined and what wins, or loses, elections.

A party can always have a few outliers. Small parties can attract in specific areas. Look at the Greens, Sinn Fein, Plaid Cymru. There are 15 independents. Reform only have 5!

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

It’s the close season 🤣. I have long thought he is a troll

I post here at all times! A member since the site began and a Palace supporter for 70 years seems an unlikely CV for a troll!

Especially one who posts to counter the repetitive right wing comments found here and tries to restore some balance to this section. The average Palace supporter holds views much closer to my own than those posted by the dominant group here. In my opinion.

 

[Spiderman]

I post here at all times! A member since the site began and a Palace supporter for 70 years seems an unlikely CV for a troll!

Especially one who posts to counter the repetitive right wing comments found here and tries to restore some balance to this section. The average Palace supporter holds views much closer to my own than those posted by the dominant group here. In my opinion.

Ridiculous comment. What about when you try to defend the indefensible? For example, you have been adamant that the lack of action on grooming gangs was nothing to do with race relations, a fact now proven. You were adamant that the majority of grooming gang members were not of Pakistani origin, a fact now proven. Several on here have been proven correct.
I really feel bbs would probably be better for you imo

 

[eaglesdare]

Funny how labour MPs are coming out now in support of the inquiry yet they forgot they voted against it in parliament 🤷🏻‍♂️

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Culpability has already been acknowledged in some cases but if there really are others then they too should be required to account. If they made mistakes when under pressure and trying to follow a policy, then that would be scapegoating.

In that case culpability lies with those responsible for deciding policy. Hundreds of young girls suffered during this period and those responsible should be brought to book over it. It's nothing to do with scapegoating - it's about accountability.

 

[HeathMan]

If there was a spate of robberies committed by tall red headed men it would help if the police knew it instead of spending their time investigating short blonde women.

Vikings?

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Vikings?

They go more in for pillaging but why not?

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

The only mistakes made were trying to discredit the victims, maybe they were overworked but no excuse for ignoring mass rape I’m afraid

No individual will handle “mass rape”. They handle cases individually. Many cases, involving many different things. Often far too many, hence the potential for mistakes.

Do you believe there was an actual policy designed to discredit the victims? I don’t. I think victims were discredited but not deliberately. Some were misbelieved, mistrusted and misunderstood by individual social workers, and police officers, because of naively, a lack of training and overwork.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Ridiculous comment. What about when you try to defend the indefensible? For example, you have been adamant that the lack of action on grooming gangs was nothing to do with race relations, a fact now proven. You were adamant that the majority of grooming gang members were not of Pakistani origin, a fact now proven. Several on here have been proven correct.
I really feel bbs would probably be better for you imo

What site I decide to use is a matter for me, as is yours for you. I never defend the indefensible, in my opinion. If I thought it indefensible I wouldn’t defend it!

I have never said there was a lack of action on grooming gangs either. That’s a claim made by others which certainly isn’t proven. What is deemed to be an appropriate response depends on the knowledge of the scale of any issue, at the time that decision is made, the resources available to tackle it and the priority determined for it. What I have said is that it seems the approach was to try to handle it under the radar to avoid making things worse. Not because of “race relations” per se, but in an effort to isolate the criminals and not tar the entire community with the same brush. An approach that was subsequently abandoned as the scale of the problem became clearer.

I also never said the majority of grooming gang members weren’t of Pakistani ethnicity! Nobody knows that, certainly not me. What we know is that those convicted appear to come more from that community than any other, but not exclusively. Only this evening a victim was describing being groomed by 2 “white” men.

Some people seem to think there are boundless resources ready to cope with an infinite number of problems. It just isn’t like that. I could tell you stories of incidences in which help is desperately needed but none available because the service is overwhelmed.