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Labour Party politics

DanH said:
Yep, completely agree with this. Weird how much its terrified him.
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They're going to have to employ all of Blair's mates on big bucks, in order to learn anything about the reality of public opinion and politics. Whatever the state of society and the country, Labour as a political party are awful. They do not have a clue on policy or even the bare minimum way to present themselves to the electorate in a positive way.
They started off with donation issues. Went on to reverse promises they just made and then started admitting that immigration was out of control. Which was not long after they said they'd deal with it. That's just a couple of things. Policing, Southport, benefit cuts, tax rises, council tax rises, actual cost of living. Nothing has been dealt with or shows any sign of improvement.
Blair would have done the same but we all would have loved it. That's the difference - presentation really.
Think about this: Would you buy anything of off Starmer if he were a salesman? The only way you would was if you felt sorry for him. Blair though, you'd buy everything and the warranty. Then you'd be pissed off you spunked all your money when you got home. But at least you'd have some completely pointless thing to show your mates.
Starmer - you'd more likely have something taken away and get told you still have to pay for it. You'd curse him and never go back.
 
Glazier#1 said:
Funnily enough, I've recently had a very serious operation on my spine to save me from ending up in a wheelchair. It was carried out by a magnificent spinal surgeon who, believe it or not, was a student once.

How strange that people can go from from knowing **** all to such magnificence in so few years.

Phew!
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Did you have it removed?
 
DANGERCLOSE said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1928194380289991142
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A former Supreme Court judge recently said that it was a myth that Churchill was in favour of a European Court of Human Rights having power over the UK.

He did believe in a Human Rights court but for Europe where many countries did not have a track record of democracy. He never intended a European Court that overruled UK law.

You might say that made him a little Englander well fair enough it certainly did not make him in favour of the ECHR. Likewise he was in favour of a proto EU but that did not include the UK.
 
Badger11 said:
A former Supreme Court judge recently said that it was a myth that Churchill was in favour of a European Court of Human Rights having power over the UK.

He did believe in a Human Rights court but for Europe where many countries did not have a track record of democracy. He never intended a European Court that overruled UK law.

You might say that made him a little Englander well fair enough it certainly did not make him in favour of the ECHR. Likewise he was in favour of a proto EU but that did not include the UK.
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With the, then, Common Market he was in agreement with Adenauer and de Gaulle, neither of whom wanted the UK to join.
 
DANGERCLOSE said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1932149688855048380
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Exactly. It's why the public hold politicians in contempt.

In the past when Labour has reversed a decision if they owned it I would not criticise it. We all make mistakes but I cannot abide liars.

I suspect most of us feel the same way. I have more respect for a minister that says yeah we got that one wrong but we are fixing it. Telling me it's raining when when they are pissing down my back does not make me a fan.
 
Badger11 said:
Exactly. It's why the public hold politicians in contempt.

In the past when Labour has reversed a decision if they owned it I would not criticise it. We all make mistakes but I cannot abide liars.

I suspect most of us feel the same way. I have more respect for a minister that says yeah we got that one wrong but we are fixing it. Telling me it's raining when when they are pissing down my back does not make me a fan.
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I've posted about it a couple of times, likely on this thread, but Labour are absolutely terrible at politics. They don't understand anything about it at all. For instance, nobody really rated Truss or Sunak - they're a bit of a joke. But no one really hated them. I saw Sunak the other day at the cricket chucking a couple of deliveries. I was thinking, if that were Starmer, no one would want to see it. He seems pretty hated to me. England fans chanting wasn't surprising - he's managed to do a Thatcher with football fans and he hasn't even done anything to them. So totally naive and inept at politics and presentation that it will likely be their downfall. They need to learn the dark arts, I don't know who's around - maybe Campbell or Mandelson? Not being Tory being their selling point has worn off very quickly. They're like a bottle of milk you opened and it was slightly nicer than the old bottle. A week later, you throw it away after smelling it in disgust.
 
ASCPFC said:
I've posted about it a couple of times, likely on this thread, but Labour are absolutely terrible at politics. They don't understand anything about it at all. For instance, nobody really rated Truss or Sunak - they're a bit of a joke. But no one really hated them. I saw Sunak the other day at the cricket chucking a couple of deliveries. I was thinking, if that were Starmer, no one would want to see it. He seems pretty hated to me. England fans chanting wasn't surprising - he's managed to do a Thatcher with football fans and he hasn't even done anything to them. So totally naive and inept at politics and presentation that it will likely be their downfall. They need to learn the dark arts, I don't know who's around - maybe Campbell or Mandelson? Not being Tory being their selling point has worn off very quickly. They're like a bottle of milk you opened and it was slightly nicer than the old bottle. A week later, you throw it away after smelling it in disgust.
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I think there are other factors at play in terms of the public perception of politicians, but I absolutely agree with the headline that Labour are terrible at politics - completely out of touch with seemingly no understanding of how certain decisions are perceived.

And I say that as someone left-wing who would very much prefer Labour to be good at politics.

The main issue with this current Labour government is the lack of any coherent vision or belief - they clearly just try to follow public opinion around and everything is a reaction rather than based on any sort of intrinsic values or principles. If anyone had to describe what sort of politician Starmer is or what core principles he has, you'd be at a complete loss.

But I would say on the public opinion point; the overwhelmingly Tory media in this country always means that Labour politicians get a harder time of it. I think Starmer is a slimy, useless chancer, but it's difficult to make an objective case as to why he's so much more hated than the likes of Sunak, Truss and Johnson.
 
Badger11 said:
Exactly. It's why the public hold politicians in contempt.

In the past when Labour has reversed a decision if they owned it I would not criticise it. We all make mistakes but I cannot abide liars.

I suspect most of us feel the same way. I have more respect for a minister that says yeah we got that one wrong but we are fixing it. Telling me it's raining when when they are pissing down my back does not make me a fan.
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Rubbish - loads of decisions get changed/reversed, surely it's a positive. Did Thatcher apologise for the poll tax or was even asked to? Of course not.
What about the pasty tax or the self employed NI rise - both reversed within weeks.

What is apparent is the overblown reaction to this.

With pension credit no pensioner in the country is on less than c£12k a year (£227 p.week) so £200 a year is less than 2% and £300 for over 80s is 2.5%. It is also paid to the most wealthy pensioners such as Fred the Shred Goodwin, Paul McCartney, Richard Branson and Jeremy Corbyn off the top of my head.

Pensioners have the triple lock so their weekly payments have been rising by more than inflation over the last few years.

For those also getting some private pension the freezing of the tax thresholds since 2021 (introduced by the Tories) will have had a greater impact than the winter fuel payment but this is never mentioned.

If Keir Starmer admits he was wrong he'd be heavily criticised and called weak. By not saying he was wrong he's also criticised and called a lair - he can't win.

Ultimately the right decision has been made.
 
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