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Palace potentially denied entry to Europa League?

Jim_Cannon said:
The problem with that is it would actually make it harder for club like palace to win a trophy. If you reduce European spots the big clubs would have greater focus on the cups and less impacted by European games to fit in if they haven’t qualified
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I don't disagree, but objectively speaking and disregarding whether it makes things better or worse for the team we love...it makes more logical sense. The number of teams in Europe is based on money spinning rather than achievement now.
 
UEFA cannot stop multi club ownership.

So what their rules do is pretend it doesn't exist.

Putting shares in a Blind Trust on the previous deadline date of 1st June, now moved to 1st March for some inexplicable reason, is their method of pretence. It's naive in the extreme if they believe that the majority shareholders of any given club that has gone down that route will then cease to have an influence on that club while the shares are in that trust. But it makes the problem go away.

If that original 1st June deadline had been retained, Palace wouldn't have an issue. Moving it to 1st. March made it impossible for Palace to comply with that date ( although some on here think we should just go down the Blind Trust route every season - just in case 🙄).

The rule is a nonsense made worse by a ridiculous deadline.
 
NEILLO said:
UEFA cannot stop multi club ownership.

So what their rules do is pretend it doesn't exist.

Putting shares in a Blind Trust on the previous deadline date of 1st June, now moved to 1st March for some inexplicable reason, is their method of pretence. It's naive in the extreme if they believe that the majority shareholders of any given club that has gone down that route will then cease to have an influence on that club while the shares are in that trust. But it makes the problem go away.

If that original 1st June deadline had been retained, Palace wouldn't have an issue. Moving it to 1st. March made it impossible for Palace to comply with that date ( although some on here think we should just go down the Blind Trust route every season - just in case 🙄).

The rule is a nonsense made worse by a ridiculous deadline.
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I don't think anyone one on here said that. I think it was said that it would be wise of Palace to be aware of such constraints in case we were ever to get into Europe. Better to consider this potential issue in advance rather than after the event. That seems plain business and common sense to me.

I agree that UEFA have a patchy track record on this issue. I suspect that Palace would have a strong case for legal action if denied Europa League entry. I hope that is a battle UEFA would want to avoid and a compromise will be reached.
 
PalazioVecchio said:
Has anybody mentioned the possibility of Brighton campaigning ? Pushing for themselves getting included and us getting chucked out ? nothing would surprise me anymore. I expect they are watching this debacle with great interest. And dissing us at every opportunity.
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Liverpool are already in the Champions League so they already have their first team to support in Europe.
 
NEILLO said:
UEFA cannot stop multi club ownership.

So what their rules do is pretend it doesn't exist.

Putting shares in a Blind Trust on the previous deadline date of 1st June, now moved to 1st March for some inexplicable reason, is their method of pretence. It's naive in the extreme if they believe that the majority shareholders of any given club that has gone down that route will then cease to have an influence on that club while the shares are in that trust. But it makes the problem go away.

If that original 1st June deadline had been retained, Palace wouldn't have an issue. Moving it to 1st. March made it impossible for Palace to comply with that date ( although some on here think we should just go down the Blind Trust route every season - just in case 🙄).

The rule is a nonsense made worse by a ridiculous deadline.
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I think we know your position, Yawn.
 
Plumpton eagle said:
I don't think anyone one on here said that. I think it was said that it would be wise of Palace to be aware of such constraints in case we were ever to get into Europe. Better to consider this potential issue in advance rather than after the event. That seems plain business and common sense to me.

I agree that UEFA have a patchy track record on this issue. I suspect that Palace would have a strong case for legal action if denied Europa League entry. I hope that is a battle UEFA would want to avoid and a compromise will be reached.
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It's definitely been implied. If you can be bothered, go take a look at some of the posts from yesterday where Parish is being blamed. '' mismanagement '' one person called it.

You are another one assuming that Palace were not aware of the issue. You don't know for sure anymore than I think that they were.

If they were - then at what point do you address the issue ? And how ?? Go to John Textor pre season and say '' we might qualify for Europe or win a cup. (Things never done before in the clubs history ) Best sell your shares or put them in a Blind Trust '' - this to a person that has publicly said on more than one occasion that his shares are for sale ? The Forest owner placed his shares into a Blind Trust because he thought it looked highly likely that Forest would qualify for Europe. Even that situation is different in as much as he is the outright owner of that club.

If they weren't aware, then although I agree it is common sense and best practise to know the rules, I would argue that it almost makes no difference due to the 1st March deadline. Nobody could safely say that we would either win the FA Cup and European qualification was highly aspirational and quite unlikely after the start to the season that we had.
 
NEILLO said:
It's definitely been implied. If you can be bothered, go take a look at some of the posts from yesterday where Parish is being blamed. '' mismanagement '' one person called it.

You are another one assuming that Palace were not aware of the issue. You don't know for sure anymore than I think that they were.

If they were - then at what point do you address the issue ? And how ?? Go to John Textor pre season and say '' we might qualify for Europe or win a cup. (Things never done before in the clubs history ) Best sell your shares or put them in a Blind Trust '' - this to a person that has publicly said on more than one occasion that his shares are for sale ? The Forest owner placed his shares into a Blind Trust because he thought it looked highly likely that Forest would qualify for Europe. Even that situation is different in as much as he is the outright owner of that club.

If they weren't aware, then although I agree it is common sense and best practise to know the rules, I would argue that it almost makes no difference due to the 1st March deadline. Nobody could safely say that we would either win the FA Cup and European qualification was highly aspirational and quite unlikely after the start to the season that we had.
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Are you sure you are not a Politician, you seem to cover all the available issues, contradict yourselves, guess what was done and wasn't, lets just wait before we know the facts, then have a balanced assessment, instead of your pontificating.
 
NEILLO said:
It's definitely been implied. If you can be bothered, go take a look at some of the posts from yesterday where Parish is being blamed. '' mismanagement '' one person called it.

You are another one assuming that Palace were not aware of the issue. You don't know for sure anymore than I think that they were.

If they were - then at what point do you address the issue ? And how ?? Go to John Textor pre season and say '' we might qualify for Europe or win a cup. (Things never done before in the clubs history ) Best sell your shares or put them in a Blind Trust '' - this to a person that has publicly said on more than one occasion that his shares are for sale ? The Forest owner placed his shares into a Blind Trust because he thought it looked highly likely that Forest would qualify for Europe. Even that situation is different in as much as he is the outright owner of that club.

If they weren't aware, then although I agree it is common sense and best practise to know the rules, I would argue that it almost makes no difference due to the 1st March deadline. Nobody could safely say that we would either win the FA Cup and European qualification was highly aspirational and quite unlikely after the start to the season that we had.
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Wow, do you own your "high horse" and are you permanently astride it?

I make no assumptions or claims of insider knowledge. Palace are in the business of trying to win trophies and thereby prosper. If that is accepted, then I would hope (not assume) that such discussions are indeed held each season and a strategy (should it be needed) considered to meet any conflicting issues. By your reasoning, there is no great need for people to consider insuring their homes and contents if they live in a safe area and have never previously been burgled or had a fire.
 
I only ever saw this as a formality that all clubs entering the competition for the first time will have to go through - submitting the correct documents and proving that it isn't a multi club ownership - which it isn't. It is however more complicated than the usual procedure and requires extra liaising.
The media are just blowing this way out of the water.

I'm confident that UEFA aren't actively trying to kick us out and will want us to gain fair entry as much as we do.
 
It has always been known that Texta, only has 25% say in Palace matters. As Parish, obviously runs the show even the 25% is diluted. The joke has been that Texta bought the most expensive season ticket in football. Owning shares, even a large blocks of shares, in any business does not automatically equate with amounts of control . What actual agreement was made on this issue with Texta, is probably the basis of Palaces stance , leaving them to consider they were not in breach of the rules.
 
Lanzo-Ad said:
Are you sure you are not a Politician, you seem to cover all the available issues, contradict yourselves, guess what was done and wasn't, lets just wait before we know the facts, then have a balanced assessment, instead of your pontificating.
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You make me laugh.
Blaming the club for not foreseeing this situation and your ‘ solutions ‘ are examples of guesswork with no knowledge of the facts !

I have - if you actually are capable of digesting and understanding what I have written - tried to articulate the issues both reasons for and possible outcomes.
 
Plumpton eagle said:
Wow, do you own your "high horse" and are you permanently astride it?

I make no assumptions or claims of insider knowledge. Palace are in the business of trying to win trophies and thereby prosper. If that is accepted, then I would hope (not assume) that such discussions are indeed held each season and a strategy (should it be needed) considered to meet any conflicting issues. By your reasoning, there is no great need for people to consider insuring their homes and contents if they live in a safe area and have never previously been burgled or had a fire.
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Look, apologies to you if I came across that way. It’s just my frustration coming out as I genuinely can’t see the feasibility in what you are suggesting . So if Parish and Co had “ discussions “ what strategy do you think they could employ ? Force Textor to sell his shares ? - he already wants to. Ask him to put them in a Blind Trust for the season ? Highly unlikely he would agree to that .

I don’t accept your insurance analogy - the Palace issue is far more complex.
 
If Palace were to be disqualified from Europe would our place then be given to Man City ? Given that they’ve won nothing this season I’m sure the Arabs would have enough money to bribe UEFA to let them in.. not withstanding FFP investigations allied against them.. doubt standards comes to mind….
 
dreamwaverider said:
Minority position in sports club with no control and precious few rights. No thanks.
Its why Parish is such a saint for us supporters.
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Unless Parish and co have convinced UEFA already, something has to change, and that change will be Textor reducing his interest. Of course that is providing UEFA allow us to fix the matter retrospectively.
 
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