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Wisbech Eagle said:
It’s odd how some see lies where others don’t, let alone self enrichment! Which can only be caused by their political biases.

Whatever your perceptions they are no justification for the behaviour of others. I talk about Reform because it’s the subject of this thread! I criticise certainly but I also point out the problem with any political party who has never held any responsibility. They make endless promises but can they keep any? It’s unknown.
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How is is that different to any party's manifesto which you've repeatedly said is no more than a wish list?
 
Teddy Eagle said:
How is is that different to any party's manifesto which you've repeatedly said is no more than a wish list?
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Manifestos cannot ever be more than intentions in best case scenarios.

With most parties you have some past experience to base a judgement on how they will handle the almost certain events that derail the plans. Not so with Reform.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
Manifestos cannot ever be more than intentions in best case scenarios.

With most parties you have some past experience to base a judgement on how they will handle the almost certain events that derail the plans. Not so with Reform.
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So no difference except in perception. What relevance did the experience Callaghan's government have to Blair's?
 
Teddy Eagle said:
So no difference except in perception. What relevance did the experience Callaghan's government have to Blair's?
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Opinions are perceptions! We base our decisions on our opinions.

Circumstantial evidence is still evidence. Callaghan and Blair were both Labour PMs. The Labour Party has a long history of being in government which provides a basis for an opinion on how they will perform. Reform has none.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
Opinions are perceptions! We base our decisions on our opinions.

Circumstantial evidence is still evidence. Callaghan and Blair were both Labour PMs. The Labour Party has a long history of being in government which provides a basis for an opinion on how they will perform. Reform has none.
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Not really. Many people just repeat received wisdom and others' opinions.
Huddersfield won the league three times in the past. Put them in the Premier League now and see how that experience helps them.
 
Teddy Eagle said:
Not really. Many people just repeat received wisdom and others' opinions.
Huddersfield won the league three times in the past. Put them in the Premier League now and see how that experience helps them.
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Agreed.

With regard to politicians that have never been in government before it's not about the history of that party it's about the experience of those people who will make the decisions.

A Reform government will face the same problems as Tony Blair's New Labour or Starner's current government. It's about the quality of the people and their experience with management and decision making.

I mentioned previously that Rachel Reeves job at HBOS was a more junior role than the one I had at Citibank. I do not feel qualified enough the run the economy and certainly did not have the experience gained from work.
 
Badger11 said:
Agreed.

With regard to politicians that have never been in government before it's not about the history of that party it's about the experience of those people who will make the decisions.

A Reform government will face the same problems as Tony Blair's New Labour or Starner's current government. It's about the quality of the people and their experience with management and decision making.

I mentioned previously that Rachel Reeves job at HBOS was a more junior role than the one I had at Citibank. I do not feel qualified enough the run the economy and certainly did not have the experience gained from work.
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Another daft analogy.

Reform would face totally different problems to either Blair or Starmer. They have no experience at all of government. Even the leader, without whom there would be no party, has none.

They are also unashamedly populist. Making expansive, unfunded promises to a variety of voting segments. The most recent being the “working man”. Appealing to one group will alienate another.

Enough people though are not daft. They realise that dangling bait in front of the gullible works for some but cannot be sustained. Something Farage himself even acknowledged yesterday.

There is a long time before the next GE. Long enough for the sparkle of a Reform government to dim into the possibility of them becoming the replacement to a Tory opposition. Long enough for the Tories to wake up and stop worrying about Reform but to start recapturing the centre. Long enough for Labour to recover enough lost ground to remain in government.
 
CPFCSaturn said:
This is about as realistic as their last manifesto.
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I wouldn't say that.

None of those things existed here before Blair.

I can see an argument for some investment in green energy (wave energy seems like a no brainer for an island nation) but solar is useless and wind is only useful in limited areas......The amount of investment into green energy is ideological, very expensive and wasteful.
 
Stirlingsays said:
I wouldn't say that.

None of those things existed here before Blair.

I can see an argument for some investment in green energy (wave energy seems like a no brainer for an island nation) but solar is useless and wind is only useful in limited areas......The amount of investment into green energy is ideological, very expensive and wasteful.
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Cmon... the idea that they are going to save £100bn by scrapping quangos and net zero...
 
CPFCSaturn said:
Cmon... the idea that they are going to save £100bn by scrapping quangos and net zero...
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They are only cutting the quangos by five percent apparently and.....Well, I think will they scrap the concept of net zero but not green energy because some aspects of it are useful.....it's just been massively oversold.

So that 100 billion is over five years anyway and personally I think a more realistic figure is 60 to 70 billion.

Personally I'd cut more than five percent of 'jobs for the boys' quangos.......They have far too much power as well.....Blair weakening the power of parliament to ensure the institutions are permanently left wing.

Dirty tricks that should never have been allowed to stand by the Tories.
 
CPFCSaturn said:
Cmon... the idea that they are going to save £100bn by scrapping quangos and net zero...
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Reform announced that they will take everybody earning up to £20,000 out of income tax altogether. That is £60bn worth of commitment. There are £140bn of giveaways and tax cuts in their manifesto.
Nigel Farage is doing is just simply running around saying,in effect that everybody can have whatever they want, including many tax cuts. If he gets into government with that approach, the markets are going to run many a mile.
It is all fantasy economics.
 
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