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Wisbech Eagle said:
We can agree they are obvious but probably not about what it is!

It’s obvious to me that this Israeli government, being dependent on hard right support who see both Gaza and the West Bank as legitimate parts of Israel, and led by Netanyahu whose own freedom depends on staying in power, has decided to use the atrocity committed by Hamas as an excuse to remove the Palestinians. That’s genocide.

It’s not just obvious to me, or a bunch of scientists. It’s obvious to everyone except those with eyes that refuse to see it.
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Well they are not very good at genocide then, they could easily have killed everyone in Gaza by now. The civilian death rate in this war has been lower than most wars. The Left is rotten to the core with Jew-hatred.
 
CPFCSaturn said:
Where are they then?

“Contrary to public opinion, leading genocide researchers are surprisingly unanimous: the Netanyahu government, they say, is in that process - according to the majority, even in its final stages,” the investigation concluded. “That is why most researchers no longer speak only of 'genocidal violence', but of 'genocide'.”

"The report noted that even researchers who had previously hesitated to use the term have since changed their position, such as Shmuel Lederman of the Open University of Israel.

It also referred to the opinion of Canadian international law scholar William Schabas that Israel is committing genocide, although he is considered otherwise conservative with respect to genocide labelling.

In an interview last month, Schabas said Israel's campaign in Gaza was "absolutely" a genocide.
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So the most important factor to you in all this is whether you can call it genocide?

And what difference would that make to all the dead people?

They are dead. Deceased. Gone. Expired. Departed.

If you support Palestine, just say so.
 
CPFCSaturn said:
There's a translate button:

"Seven renowned scientists almost unanimously agree: Israel is committing genocide in Gaza

NRC spoke to seven renowned genocide researchers about Gaza. They are not nearly as divided as public opinion: without exception, they qualify the Israeli actions as 'genocidal'. And according to them, almost all their colleagues agree with that."


I've explained why - I've been challenged numerous times for using the term 'genocide' to describe the situation in Gaza.
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just opinions of 7 scientists really ?
Could be Jew hating ones at that !
 
georgenorman said:
Well they are not very good at genocide then, they could easily have killed everyone in Gaza by now. The civilian death rate in this war has been lower than most wars. The Left is rotten to the core with Jew-hatred.
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Do you get paid for spreading Israeli propaganda, or do you just make these kind of claims up?

en.wikipedia.org

Casualties of the Gaza war - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org

Condemning what is happening in Gaza has nothing whatsoever to do with your personal political views! Every right thinking person ought to condemn it. It’s unconscionable.

The attempts to conflate opposition to Israel’s behaviour in Gaza and being anti semitic is just as unacceptable. I am far from anti semitic, having had several Jewish friends over the years. That though doesn’t mean I don’t find the current Israeli government appalling. I do.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
Do you get paid for spreading Israeli propaganda, or do you just make these kind of claims up?

en.wikipedia.org

Casualties of the Gaza war - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org

Condemning what is happening in Gaza has nothing whatsoever to do with your personal political views! Every right thinking person ought to condemn it. It’s unconscionable.

The attempts to conflate opposition to Israel’s behaviour in Gaza and being anti semitic is just as unacceptable. I am far from anti semitic, having had several Jewish friends over the years. That though doesn’t mean I don’t find the current Israeli government appalling. I do.
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Your main argument seems to be that you have friends! Do you have any evidence of this startling development.
Hamas attacked Israel, butchering around 1,200 men, women, children, and infants in the biggest massacre of Jews since the Holocaust genocide. Hamas terrorists carried out the murder rape, and torture of civilians and took at least 240 hostages back with them to Gaza and paraded naked dead bodies of young Jewish women through cheering crowds. This was followed by a propaganda and disinformation campaign fully supported by the anti-semitic Left in this country. Genocidal fascist Hamas, then retreated into its network of tunnels beneath the homes, schools, and hospitals of Gaza, using Palestinian civilians as human shields in order to weaponize for propaganda purposes the resulting civilian casualties.
The Charter of Hamas states its central aim is to destroy the Jewish state of Israel and to promote the killing of Jews and Israelis around the world. Hamas has stated that they will never recognize Israel as a legitimate state. A Hamas Mullah preached a sermon where he prayed for “annihilation” and “paralysis” of the Jews whom he described as filthy animals: “Allah transformed them into filthy, ugly animals like apes and pigs because of the injustice and evil they had brought about.”
It is a war - who would you rather have win it? It is Hamas who are genocidal not Israel.
 
Hrolf The Ganger said:
So the most important factor to you in all this is whether you can call it genocide?

And what difference would that make to all the dead people?

They are dead. Deceased. Gone. Expired. Departed.

If you support Palestine, just say so.
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Just an odd response - I've said nothing about it being the most important factor, you've just made that up.

You then seem to suggest that if people are dead, there's no point investigating what happened to them - someone better tell every police force in the world.
 
Eagleman13 said:
. . . . . & you don't?
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In what way?

If people want to disagree with something I post, I'm happy to read it but there has to be some attempt to actually disprove or discredit the information - just vaguely suggesting that anyone could be biased or anyone might hate Jews is not an argument, it's just inventing a narrative that you're comfortable with. I don't think I am guilty of doing that.

If there is an argument or evidence that the scientists in question are flawed in their findings or somehow discriminatory then I would be interested to see it, but just randomly suggesting that people might hate Jews is not that.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
Do you get paid for spreading Israeli propaganda, or do you just make these kind of claims up?

en.wikipedia.org

Casualties of the Gaza war - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org

Condemning what is happening in Gaza has nothing whatsoever to do with your personal political views! Every right thinking person ought to condemn it. It’s unconscionable.

The attempts to conflate opposition to Israel’s behaviour in Gaza and being anti semitic is just as unacceptable. I am far from anti semitic, having had several Jewish friends over the years. That though doesn’t mean I don’t find the current Israeli government appalling. I do.
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So you think a different Israeli government would have responded differently to the October 7 massacre? 🤦🏻‍♂️
 
CPFCSaturn said:
In what way?

If people want to disagree with something I post, I'm happy to read it but there has to be some attempt to actually disprove or discredit the information - just vaguely suggesting that anyone could be biased or anyone might hate Jews is not an argument, it's just inventing a narrative that you're comfortable with. I don't think I am guilty of doing that.

If there is an argument or evidence that the scientists in question are flawed in their findings or somehow discriminatory then I would be interested to see it, but just randomly suggesting that people might hate Jews is not that.
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Who are the scientists and what is their specialist field, and any of their historic links with this area. They have in your words claimed this is a genocide. Hard to question your statement if there is no detail or ways to actually put an opposite POV.
 
georgenorman said:
Your main argument seems to be that you have friends! Do you have any evidence of this startling development.
Hamas attacked Israel, butchering around 1,200 men, women, children, and infants in the biggest massacre of Jews since the Holocaust genocide. Hamas terrorists carried out the murder rape, and torture of civilians and took at least 240 hostages back with them to Gaza and paraded naked dead bodies of young Jewish women through cheering crowds. This was followed by a propaganda and disinformation campaign fully supported by the anti-semitic Left in this country. Genocidal fascist Hamas, then retreated into its network of tunnels beneath the homes, schools, and hospitals of Gaza, using Palestinian civilians as human shields in order to weaponize for propaganda purposes the resulting civilian casualties.
The Charter of Hamas states its central aim is to destroy the Jewish state of Israel and to promote the killing of Jews and Israelis around the world. Hamas has stated that they will never recognize Israel as a legitimate state. A Hamas Mullah preached a sermon where he prayed for “annihilation” and “paralysis” of the Jews whom he described as filthy animals: “Allah transformed them into filthy, ugly animals like apes and pigs because of the injustice and evil they had brought about.”
It is a war - who would you rather have win it? It is Hamas who are genocidal not Israel.
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What a really stupid response!

No one in their right mind doesn’t condemn what Hamas did or what is stands for. All terrorism is condemned. Nor do they disagree that Israel had the right to respond.

There seems to be an assumption in your mind that if you are a Palestinian then you are also Hamas. It’s untrue. Most people there just want to live a normal life, feed their children and see them grow. They aren’t all religious fanatics.

It’s not responding to Hamas that is criticised. It’s the treatment of the innocent, the disregard for human life, the use of starvation as a tool of war and how the legitimate need to respond has been used as an excuse to achieve a long held and much wider aim. Which is to acquire Gaza for themselves and create the greater Israel implicit in Zionism.

Aiming to nullify Hamas and see the establishment of a ruling authority in Gaza that lives peacefully with its neighbours is perfectly ok. Ethnic cleansing is not.
 
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