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Penge Eagle said:
"Read between the lines" 🤣 🤣 🤣 Which means you interpret something how you THINK it should be and not the actual reality.

"The fact that he did not find anything does not mean it didn’t exist." 🤣🤣🤣

For the Obstruction of Justice part, I repeat what was said: "this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime.”

It's things like blatant facts and evidence you simply dismiss is why people on here get frustrated with you.
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That is simply the careful wording of an attorney. If he was sure it didn't exist he would have said so. Something like "this report concludes that the President did not commit a crime. The one he used is a negative statement, not a positive one. He left the door open. That is the blatant fact. That others want to dismiss it might be unfortunate but cannot change it.

You, and others, are falling into the traps set by Trump and his constant rewriting of history through repetitive lies. The truth can be frustrating for those with predetermined agendas.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
That is simply the careful wording of an attorney. If he was sure it didn't exist he would have said so. Something like "this report concludes that the President did not commit a crime. The one he used is a negative statement, not a positive one. He left the door open. That is the blatant fact. That others want to dismiss it might be unfortunate but cannot change it.

You, and others, are falling into the traps set by Trump and his constant rewriting of history through repetitive lies. The truth can be frustrating for those with predetermined agendas.
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Er, yeah.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
So far as I am aware, Presidents don't decide who gets prosecuted! Justice Departments do because of the separation of powers requirements. It was the FBI who decided not to press charges against Clinton, something that so enraged Trump he fired Comey.

Statement by FBI Director James B. Comey on the Investigation of Secretary Hillary Clinton’s Use of a Personal E-Mail System — FBI

Director Comey's statement to the press on the FBI’s investigation of Secretary Clinton’s use of a personal e-mail system during her time as Secretary of State.
www.fbi.gov www.fbi.gov

Trump has repeatedly compared his Federal indictments to Clinton's misuse of a private email server but that's like comparing a bank robber to someone mistakenly picking up something that isn't theirs. Clinton made a mistake but there was nothing malicious involved.

The only delusion here is that pushed by Trump and anyone who buys into his nonsense.
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How does this equate to your ascertion that Biden pardoned his family members because Trump would have gone after them, if the President has no say in who gets prosecuted?
 
Penge Eagle said:
Dear oh dear, another brilliant word salad. Please re-read the quote from the report – I know you don't like what it says.

I will repeat: the special counsel "did not find that the Trump campaign, or anyone associated with it, conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in these efforts, despite multiple efforts from Russian-affiliated individuals to assist the Trump campaign."

It's pretty clear in black and white. Can you provide evidence that proves otherwise and not something from your imagination?
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Yep, he was told at the start of the process, the very start of the thread that this would be the outcome....that Trump would serve no time.

But he spent years on that thread embarrassing himself and making claim after claim to the very opposite....no doubt most of his nonsense from all those US lefty channels and websites feeding his biases with largely hyperbolic waffle....He was taken in...It all came to a nothing burger.....A nothing burger the Democrats mis-spent over ten million on and largely fabricated....He can't accept it because his TDS is essentially his main Hol personality at this point.

Mr Jam tomorrow.
 
Stirlingsays said:
Yep, he was told at the start of the process, the very start of the thread that this would be the outcome....that Trump would serve no time.

But he spent years on that thread embarrassing himself and making claim after claim that....no doubt came from all those US lefty channels and websites with the lawyers and editors he thinks so much of.....All came to nothing burger.....A nothing burger the Democrats mis-spent over ten million on and largely fabricated....He can't accept it because his TDS is essentially his main Hol personality at this point.

Mr Jam tomorrow.
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Nothing registering on my giveashitometer for him, reaping what he sowed, loving the ignore button and moved on
 
ouzo said:
How does this equate to your ascertion that Biden pardoned his family members because Trump would have gone after them, if the President has no say in who gets prosecuted?
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Pardons are traditionally given as acts of forgiveness to the convicted. In the USA by outgoing Presidents they are often to those whose acts have overwhelming public sympathy even when illegal.

Whilst I understand why Biden did what he did I don’t approve of it. The place to expose any malicious prosecution is in a Court. The problem here though is Trump, not Biden. Trump cannot be trusted. He has no respect for the law. Him pardoning the Capital rioters was a disgraceful abuse of power for entirely political reasons. If he is prepared to do that and prepared to appoint an AG and FBI Director ready to do his dirty work then shielding those vulnerable to his anger can be seen differently.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
Pardons are traditionally given as acts of forgiveness to the convicted. In the USA by outgoing Presidents they are often to those whose acts have overwhelming public sympathy even when illegal.

Whilst I understand why Biden did what he did I don’t approve of it. The place to expose any malicious prosecution is in a Court. The problem here though is Trump, not Biden. Trump cannot be trusted. He has no respect for the law. Him pardoning the Capital rioters was a disgraceful abuse of power for entirely political reasons. If he is prepared to do that and prepared to appoint an AG and FBI Director ready to do his dirty work then shielding those vulnerable to his anger can be seen differently.
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But how does that fit this assertion.
So far as I am aware, Presidents don't decide who gets prosecuted! Justice Departments do because of the separation of powers requirements.
 
Stirlingsays said:
Yep, he was told at the start of the process, the very start of the thread that this would be the outcome....that Trump would serve no time.

But he spent years on that thread embarrassing himself and making claim after claim to the very opposite....no doubt most of his nonsense from all those US lefty channels and websites feeding his biases with largely hyperbolic waffle....He was taken in...It all came to a nothing burger.....A nothing burger the Democrats mis-spent over ten million on and largely fabricated....He can't accept it because his TDS is essentially his main Hol personality at this point.

Mr Jam tomorrow.
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Trump avoided jail by using legal delaying tactics that meant the trials had to be suspended due to his re-election.

Not because he is innocent. In the one trial that concluded he was found guilty and is a felon.

Whether the other trials will resume when he is again a private citizen is an open question. He will then be 83 and unable to run again. I suspect he will either pardon himself or, if the incomer is Republican, they will. That’s one of the downsides of Biden’s pardons.

The truth about the way the Trump campaign harvested help from the Russians in 2016 will eventually be revealed though, even if not in Court. I think there is plenty of evidence already out in the open, even if some is circumstantial. Trump has attempted to whitewash himself for 10 years and has obviously convinced those who want to be convinced. The man is a proven serial liar who believes that whatever he says must be true. He lies about everything. That’s enough to convince that if he says his campaign didn’t collude, then it did. On top of that refusing to answer Mueller’s questions speaks volumes. Innocent men don’t refuse. They cooperate.

I don’t follow any websites, from any political perspective. Quite unlike the poster above who openly quotes some of the most heavily ridiculed conspiracy theorists. I follow events and my instinct. Then I dig.

The Democrats spent nothing on investigating Trump after 2020. Any money spent was Federal or State, properly legally managed. They, of course, knew what he was up to, as did many Republicans. Knowing something and proving it in a Court are different things.
 
Teddy Eagle said:
But how does that fit this assertion.
So far as I am aware, Presidents don't decide who gets prosecuted! Justice Departments do because of the separation of powers requirements.
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As I explained that in the post you referenced I suggest you read it again.

Issuing a pardon is an act after a conviction. It’s not deciding who gets prosecuted.

That it is now being abused doesn’t change that but it may well demand intervention by Congress or the Supreme Court to restrain future Presidents. I hope it does.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
As I explained that in the post you referenced I suggest you read it again.

Issuing a pardon is an act after a conviction. It’s not deciding who gets prosecuted.

That it is now being abused doesn’t change that but it may well demand intervention by Congress or the Supreme Court to restrain future Presidents. I hope it does.
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It doesn't explain why Biden's family need protection from Trump when he doesn't decide who gets prosecuted.
 
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