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It still shows it's up. Maybe it was at close price last night 🤣

The trend is up over the last 5 years 👍🏻

Yes, it had a good day yesterday, as did most of the market - there are no real conclusions to be drawn from that.

Pretty much every share price in the world is up over the last 5 years. Tesla have been phenomenally successful for most of that time, but the last 6 months or so are much less rosy - much of the context for that is discussed above, but it seems you don't really want to engage with any detail around it.
 
Oh no. Looks like Tesla stock price is up 6 percent this morning 🤷🏻‍♂️ 🙄
Aren't most shares?

Reacting to Musk's announcement was always going to push the price back up as the speculators react to the fall 2 days ago. It's a market. Which is this case is on a rollercoaster ride at the moment. As with all rollercoaster rides, they start high and finish low. So just watch where this ends. Not the bumps along the way.
 
For some, but not all. You continue to deny that the way some people are reacting to the policies adopted by Trump means they are less likely to want to either go there or buy American products if you want to. I think they are.
Not denying it but I think anyone so doing is an idiot. I've been going to America regularly for 45 years and it's never made a blind bit of difference who was in the White House.
 
Yes, it had a good day yesterday, as did most of the market - there are no real conclusions to be drawn from that.

Pretty much every share price in the world is up over the last 5 years. Tesla have been phenomenally successful for most of that time, but the last 6 months or so are much less rosy - much of the context for that is discussed above, but it seems you don't really want to engage with any detail around it.
It's been less than rosy the last 6 months for most companies not just Tesla.

The markets are volatile at the moment. Tomorrow could be a bad day for Tesla. 🤷🏻‍♂️ Then again it could be good.

Short-term dips don’t change the big picture. 👍🏻
 
Not denying it but I think anyone so doing is an idiot. I've been going to America regularly for 45 years and it's never made a blind bit of difference who was in the White House.
So have I, but there has never been an administration like this before. Not even close. Even Nixon was a paragon of integrity and morality by comparison. What is happening will change the world order. It's a once-in-a-lifetime shift of global realignments.

The UK has a big decision to make. To either pander to Trump and cling to the USA's coattails or place itself firmly in Europe. If it tries to do both, it is likely to slip down the middle.
 
It's been less than rosy the last 6 months for most companies not just Tesla.

The markets are volatile at the moment. Tomorrow could be a bad day for Tesla. 🤷🏻‍♂️ Then again it could be good.

Short-term dips don’t change the big picture. 👍🏻

As I said, you don't really seem to want to discuss this - it's just blind faith and vague soundbites about how markets work.

Anyway, time will tell - it's a very good time to buy if you're so convinced by Tesla's success.
 
So have I, but there has never been an administration like this before. Not even close. Even Nixon was a paragon of integrity and morality by comparison. What is happening will change the world order. It's a once-in-a-lifetime shift of global realignments.

The UK has a big decision to make. To either pander to Trump and cling to the USA's coattails or place itself firmly in Europe. If it tries to do both, it is likely to slip down the middle.
None of which would change my mind about going there on holiday. Spain was a popular destination when Franco was in charge and no one ever gave it a thought.
 
As I said, you don't really seem to want to discuss this - it's just blind faith and vague soundbites about how markets work.

Anyway, time will tell - it's a very good time to buy if you're so convinced by Tesla's success.
We shall see how it all works out in that case 👍🏻 I'm sure Tesla will bounce back.
 
As I said, you don't really seem to want to discuss this - it's just blind faith and vague soundbites about how markets work.

Anyway, time will tell - it's a very good time to buy if you're so convinced by Tesla's success.

You are right that time will tell, however I think companies need to be judged by their people and that's where Musk has had spectacular success in attracting the top, often autistic minds.

Tesla will produce the top products while they have the better people (look at their advanced state compared to Nasa, with the job of putting people into space). I compare Grok to the AI competition and only China come close....and China are working with less powerful hardware. Tesla have an exciting future with battery and robots....AI and robotics in the home will change people's lives and also is already in the process of massive change in the workforce.

The left trying to destroy Musk is so damn typical of what they do. Without people like him the future for the west is secured as second fiddle.

The top products are produced by the top minds.....On this China has by far the largest pool of talent....mostly because of numbers and that it didn't go down the same social and global self harming madness that the west did.

However, they started a long time behind the west....Who decided on their own to decline.

Trump is the first president who has properly articulated the threat to the west if it doesn't protect itself and achieve the changes to its social culture....starting to get rid of DEI and the obvious markers of state money corruption are a good attempt to head in the right direction.

Trade tariffs are more an unknown to me, however all those screaming at Trump also seem to give a pass to the market tactics of China where they effectively close their markets to fair competition and thus tariff anything a threat to their businesses and jobs. They steal IP and don't allow the victims to litigate. This has been allowed to occur without much comment when its threat is economically existential.

Something had to be done, only time will show if it has....personally I think Trump will end up having improved the position of the US even though he's used crude and damaging tactics in terms of soft power (most of which means little in economic terms).....and hurt his own and everybody else's companies in the short term.
 
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As I said, you don't really seem to want to discuss this - it's just blind faith and vague soundbites about how markets work.

Anyway, time will tell - it's a very good time to buy if you're so convinced by Tesla's success.
Never buy a single share you have to spread the risk by having a number of shares in varying in industries.Many people with limited funds go for a fund rather than buying individual shares. Personally Tesla is a share that doesn't hold much appeal due to the fact that Musk has too many irons in the fire and as Warren Buffet(the sage of Omaha) would say he should stay at home and stick to what he does best.
 
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As I said, you don't really seem to want to discuss this - it's just blind faith and vague soundbites about how markets work.

Anyway, time will tell - it's a very good time to buy if you're so convinced by Tesla's success.
Never buy a single share you have to spread the risk by having a number of shares in varying in industries.Many people with limited funds go for a fund rather than buying individual shares. Personally Tesla is a share that doesn't hold much appeal due to the fact that Musk has too many irons in the fire and as Warren Buffet(the sage of Omaha) would say he should stay at home and stick to what he does best.
You don't have to do anything - an investor who invested solely in Tesla 3 years ago is doing far better than any fund has across the same period.

Of course a diverse portfolio means lower risk, but as per the above example, higher risk can also mean higher reward.

I have sold my Tesla shares for now, but will likely buy back in later this year.
 
You are right that time will tell, however I think companies need to be judged by their people and that's where Musk has had spectacular success in attracting the top, often autistic minds.

Tesla will produce the top products while they have the better people (look at their advanced state compared to Nasa, with the job of putting people into space). I compare Grok to the AI competition and only China come close....and China are working with less powerful hardware. Tesla have an exciting future with battery and robots....AI and robotics in the home will change people's lives and also is already in the process of massive change in the workforce.

The left trying to destroy Musk is so damn typical of what they do. Without people like him the future for the west is secured as second fiddle.

The top products are produced by the top minds.....On this China has by far the largest pool of talent....mostly because of numbers and that it didn't go down the same social and global self harming madness that the west did.

However, they started a long time behind the west....Who decided on their own to decline.

Trump is the first president who has properly articulated the threat to the west if it doesn't product itself and the changes to social culture....starting to get rid of DEI and the obvious markers of state money corruption are a good attempt to head in the right direction.

Trade tariffs are more an unknown to me, however all those screaming at Trump also seem to give a pass to the market tactics of China where they effectively close their markets to fair competition and thus tariff anything threat to their businesses and jobs. This has been allowed to occur without much comment when its threat is economically existential.

Something had to be done, only time will show if it has....personally I think Trump will end up having improved the position of the US even though he's used crude and damaging tactics in terms of soft power (most of which means little in economic terms).....and hurt his own and everybody else's companies in the short term.
The stuff about talent is all a bit qualitative for me - I have no idea how Tesla's recruitment and retention stacks up versus competitors.

Given how he splits opinion, I would assume Musk also puts off a lot of top talent from working at his companies, but again, I've never seen any data on it.
 
None of which would change my mind about going there on holiday. Spain was a popular destination when Franco was in charge and no one ever gave it a thought.
I did. Myself and many people I knew would not go to Spain because of the regime. Similarly, I would not go to an Islamic country.
 
The stuff about talent is all a bit qualitative for me - I have no idea how Tesla's recruitment and retention stacks up versus competitors.

Ok, so how on earth would he have achieved so much otherwise?

Given how he splits opinion, I would assume Musk also puts off a lot of top talent from working at his companies, but again, I've never seen any data on it.

I should think the only top talent who would be put off by Musk are the ideological.

Otherwise the top talent is going to want to be at the cutting edge and while Bezos and Zuckerrobot and others offer competition their main competing products aren't geared towards human advancement in quite the same way.....I mean one's main form of income flogs online tat (which I dutifully buy) and the other keeps you in touch with your dotty aunt.....though I also dutifully buy his Quest headsets.
 
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You don't have to do anything - an investor who invested solely in Tesla 3 years ago is doing far better than any fund has across the same period.

Of course a diverse portfolio means lower risk, but as per the above example, higher risk can also mean higher reward.

I have sold my Tesla shares for now, but will likely buy back in later this year.
Buying a single stock is gambling not investing.I've studied this for over fifty years and made a very big pile. So good I married my bank manager.
 
I did. Myself and many people I knew would not go to Spain because of the regime. Similarly, I would not go to an Islamic country.

I'm probably more likely to head off to Spain (I've always had a snobby attitude to Spain for some reason) with a Franco in charge.

However, I'm fully with you on the Islamic bit.

Going anywhere where they wipe their hands with their armpits (Turks) isn't my cup of tea.

Oh and the anti western stuff (when they aren't taking your money) plays a massive part too.
 
Ok, so how on earth would he have achieved so much otherwise?



I should think the only top talent who would be put off by Musk are the ideological.

Otherwise the top talent is going to want to be at the cutting edge and while Bezos and Zuckerrobot and others offer competition their main competing products aren't geared towards human advancement in quite the same way.....I mean one's main form of income flogs online tat (which I dutifully buy) and the other keeps you in touch with your dotty aunt.
Well a company's success isn't solely determined by recruitment - that's one facet of many. Many companies are successful.... they can't all have 'the best minds'.

Well yes, the ideological, but they still count.
 

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