Both. We can’t get it right because we need a new manager
Sage in or out
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Mr Palaceman
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Rogers the legend
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I do believe he has been given a hospital pass, recruitment has been the problem ever since Dougie left and that certainly didn't help, and losing the players we have just compounds the error. Having said that, surely he should have been able to sort our defence by now. As mentioned before, we can all see that Any cross to the far post is a free header/shot at corners! He must recognise the problem and that his brand of football is not working yet, but whether its just stubbornness or lack of footballing knowledge he seems incapable of changing things? I'm afraid his time is up. But who to replace him? Who will want to take the job on?
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That's a fair enough point, I agree with that. The Br!ghton game was a sh!t show.. I'm torn. I just feel we have a good team and given time we'll come good but I wouldn't be surprised if the board make a change. At this time, I would stick..
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Reluctantly Sage needs to go , Just can't see him steadying the sinking ship , No manager we appoint is going to produce a squad to match the FA cup winning side without a Freedman type scout alongside them to find the quality players needed to replace the excellent ones Parish flogged .
I keep seeing ppl say he has to go - so who is the answer ?
Churn churn churn of managers creates bigger issues in a club as the plastic supported of Old Trafford - they have kept asking for new coaches , yet they are now realising it’s the players not putting in
As Glasner says keep replacing the managers - what does that do ?
Hope one in six works out at some point
Fans of most clubs expect bigger than before.
I don’t think palace supporters expect bigger right away , they just don’t expect a lot worse
Well done this season to Hull, Ipswich, Brentford, Leeds,Bournemouth, & bloody Brighton- Yet how , where , who
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Out.
I assume it is because he is available (or at least not currently with a club) and plays a defensive game similar to Royball or something BFS would run which is what most teams scurry back to when they are leaking goals like we are. I have no idea if he would be a good thing or not.
Defensively solid with proven leadership and fight in the engine room. Oh no what a nightmare that would be…
And neither can string a pass together
I have been thinking about this. If you are Parish and the board and you know full well there is no money or very little money and you know you are going to sell 2 of your best defenders etc, why the f*** would you not appoint a pragmatic manager that builds a solid defence first and use the strongest part of our squad on paper, the midfield. I don’t understand why you would roll the dice like that. If they were willing to fund the ‘Project’ that got us a couple of trophies I could understand risking it but now we are just in this ghostly limbo state with what i am starting to feel is the wrong manager for the situation we are in.
I want to add that I would love Sage to turn it round but he needs help and I just don’t think we can wait for the January window which would mean he gets no help until Feb because the board will wait until the very last second to purchase a panic buy.
I want to add that I would love Sage to turn it round but he needs help and I just don’t think we can wait for the January window which would mean he gets no help until Feb because the board will wait until the very last second to purchase a panic buy.
Because we are
Teddy Eagle
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If the board is thinking of replacing Sage (and have a replacement lined up) they might consider the Liverpool game a lost cause and let Sage carry the can for the loss then bring in the new bloke with the next break available to put his plans in place with a new coaching staff.
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If it’s entirely down to the players to adapt to everything, then what’s the point of having a manager? You might as well just send them out and let them get on with it.
The issue we’ve got is that opposition teams don’t even have to think particularly hard about how to play against us. Our marking system at corners (and all other times), is absolutely abysmal. All Spurs had to do was put the ball towards the back post. They did exactly the same thing early in the game when Henderson had to punch the ball away.
Every single club seems to have worked this out, yet apparently our coaching staff haven’t. These aren’t isolated mistakes. They’re recurring problems, and at some point the responsibility for fixing them has to lie with the manager. Frankly, even in some of the games we’ve won, we’ve been fortunate. If football were simply a case of telling players what to do and expecting them to work everything out themselves, it would ultimately come down to who has the better players. But football doesn’t always work that way.
The first thing you do when you’re conceding goals the way we are is make your team difficult to beat. Get the defensive organisation right, protect the backline and build from there. Yes, putting more bodies behind the ball and bolstering the midfield might make us a little duller going forward, but let’s be honest, the attacking statistics aren’t exactly suggesting we’re Barcelona at the moment.
We’re not a particularly fluent attacking side, and we don’t get the ball up the pitch quickly or effectively enough to make much of an impact anyway.
With the greatest respect in the world, blaming the players is a bit like turning around to Henderson and telling him to save the ball. That’s all very well, but if everyone in front of him isn’t doing their job, you’ve got a problem. Likewise, if you’re instructing defenders to play out from the back and they’re clearly not particularly good at it, surely the answer is to adapt your tactics to the players you’ve actually got?
That’s what coaching is supposed to be about. Identifying weaknesses, organising your players and finding a system that gets the best out of them.
And this brings me to Sage. I actually like the bloke. He seems amiable enough, and I’m sure he’s a decent person to have around. But the fact is he doesn’t seem to have a clue what to do when things start going against him. He’s 120-odd games into his managerial career, and the one time things really did go wrong, he ended up getting sacked. I don’t think he’s ever had to deal with a situation quite like this, particularly at Premier League level, where opposition sides, even the poorer ones, can work you out incredibly quickly.
My concern is that Sage simply doesn’t have the experience to get us out of this. He’s exhibiting all the signs of a naive manager who has a particular way of playing and doesn’t know what to do when it stops working.
I remember Peter Taylor back in 2007, after we’d conceded yet another sloppy goal, declaring, “I bet we don’t do that again.” And do you know what happened? The following week, we did exactly the same bloody thing.
I’m sure Sage would be a brilliant manager to have around if everything were going swimmingly. But managing when everything is going well is a very different proposition from managing when things are falling apart.
Glasner arrived at almost the perfect time, with a group of players who complemented one another, developed an understanding and became an incredibly effective unit. But that doesn’t happen with every squad.
For every Eze, there’s a Jordon Mutch. For every Olise, there’s a Max Meyer. You don’t always have the luxury of having exactly the players you want, and sometimes you have to cut your cloth accordingly.
That’s what good managers do. They recognise the limitations of their squad, adapt their tactics and make themselves difficult to beat.
Do you genuinely think Spurs had to spend much time in training this week working out how to beat us? I suspect the tactical briefing was fairly straightforward: put the ball towards the back post and see what happens.
And that’s ultimately my criticism of Sage. I don’t think he’s ever really had to cut his cloth before. Right now, he’s looking like a manager who doesn’t even know where the scissors are.
The issue we’ve got is that opposition teams don’t even have to think particularly hard about how to play against us. Our marking system at corners (and all other times), is absolutely abysmal. All Spurs had to do was put the ball towards the back post. They did exactly the same thing early in the game when Henderson had to punch the ball away.
Every single club seems to have worked this out, yet apparently our coaching staff haven’t. These aren’t isolated mistakes. They’re recurring problems, and at some point the responsibility for fixing them has to lie with the manager. Frankly, even in some of the games we’ve won, we’ve been fortunate. If football were simply a case of telling players what to do and expecting them to work everything out themselves, it would ultimately come down to who has the better players. But football doesn’t always work that way.
The first thing you do when you’re conceding goals the way we are is make your team difficult to beat. Get the defensive organisation right, protect the backline and build from there. Yes, putting more bodies behind the ball and bolstering the midfield might make us a little duller going forward, but let’s be honest, the attacking statistics aren’t exactly suggesting we’re Barcelona at the moment.
We’re not a particularly fluent attacking side, and we don’t get the ball up the pitch quickly or effectively enough to make much of an impact anyway.
With the greatest respect in the world, blaming the players is a bit like turning around to Henderson and telling him to save the ball. That’s all very well, but if everyone in front of him isn’t doing their job, you’ve got a problem. Likewise, if you’re instructing defenders to play out from the back and they’re clearly not particularly good at it, surely the answer is to adapt your tactics to the players you’ve actually got?
That’s what coaching is supposed to be about. Identifying weaknesses, organising your players and finding a system that gets the best out of them.
And this brings me to Sage. I actually like the bloke. He seems amiable enough, and I’m sure he’s a decent person to have around. But the fact is he doesn’t seem to have a clue what to do when things start going against him. He’s 120-odd games into his managerial career, and the one time things really did go wrong, he ended up getting sacked. I don’t think he’s ever had to deal with a situation quite like this, particularly at Premier League level, where opposition sides, even the poorer ones, can work you out incredibly quickly.
My concern is that Sage simply doesn’t have the experience to get us out of this. He’s exhibiting all the signs of a naive manager who has a particular way of playing and doesn’t know what to do when it stops working.
I remember Peter Taylor back in 2007, after we’d conceded yet another sloppy goal, declaring, “I bet we don’t do that again.” And do you know what happened? The following week, we did exactly the same bloody thing.
I’m sure Sage would be a brilliant manager to have around if everything were going swimmingly. But managing when everything is going well is a very different proposition from managing when things are falling apart.
Glasner arrived at almost the perfect time, with a group of players who complemented one another, developed an understanding and became an incredibly effective unit. But that doesn’t happen with every squad.
For every Eze, there’s a Jordon Mutch. For every Olise, there’s a Max Meyer. You don’t always have the luxury of having exactly the players you want, and sometimes you have to cut your cloth accordingly.
That’s what good managers do. They recognise the limitations of their squad, adapt their tactics and make themselves difficult to beat.
Do you genuinely think Spurs had to spend much time in training this week working out how to beat us? I suspect the tactical briefing was fairly straightforward: put the ball towards the back post and see what happens.
And that’s ultimately my criticism of Sage. I don’t think he’s ever really had to cut his cloth before. Right now, he’s looking like a manager who doesn’t even know where the scissors are.
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It will go some something like this -
Play our next 2 games
Parish will thank Sage and his team for all their efforts
International break
Welcome to our new Manager!
I’m pretty confident that talks with a replacement manager and a coaching team would have already taken place.
Play our next 2 games
Parish will thank Sage and his team for all their efforts
International break
Welcome to our new Manager!
I’m pretty confident that talks with a replacement manager and a coaching team would have already taken place.
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Yes it's a big mess.
If they do wait until after the Liverpool game (what feels like an inevitable loss) to make a change this will then only give any new manager the international break to assess the squad - of which most won't be there - and then go straight into two huge must win games against Hull and Coventry. Surely it'd be better to give a new man the Hoffenheim and Liverpool games to properly assess the team.
It's another mess I expect us to walk straight into though tbh, probably waiting to appoint a new manager halfway through the international break to leave them even less time.
Our indecisiveness comes to the fore in most transfer windows (both in and out) and it also feels as though Sage has been constantly working on a '2 games to avoid the sack' window since before the Leeds game. It just can't be a productive environment for anyone.
Bournemouth and Palace were in very similar situations at the end of last season, knowing a successful manager was leaving, the promise of European football, the need to grow the squad and the best players linked with moves away. In every facet they have dealt with those situations in a far superior and decisive manner than us and the difference between the clubs is now light and day. Mismanagement at multiple levels from us unfortunately which will reduce our opportunities drastically this season.
Thankfully the season is still relatively young and we're not yet cut adrift so the next decision can still bring some success but it has to be the correct one!!! Big pressure on the decision makers.
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Yes…yes…and yes…
Totally agree with everything you say / and it’s still only 8.00am on a Sunday