Frightening spectre in football

MarkA333 said:
Morals are one thing. And people of low moral standards will always exist. However, when the infrastructure and organisations that run football actively create a system that effectively keeps the top 6 at the top, there is a problem. This is a disgrace.
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i remember all the previous talk of the top 6 clubs detaching from the Premier League and forming a super-league to play in the Champions league etc. Personally i wish they WOULD all feckoff. Ruining the spectacle of unpredictable results and fun games to watch.

The English Championship has much better entertainment than the biased tilted weighted Prem. Big money ruins football.

Imagine if all the little clubs did a protest. Play the kids and 'throw the game' against every big giant.....home and away. 12 games for palace = 168 sh1.tty protest games across the whole Prem. The authorities would quickly sit up and take notice.
Of course it will never happen. Too much money and ego's to ever make a stand.
 
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PalazioVecchio said:
a player signing a contract and then not honouring it. Its like somebody getting married and cheating a week later. Theres not much recompense nor justice for the victim.....but there it is.
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It's like pretty much every worker who gets offered a better job, it's just the wages that are different.

The only loyalty in football is amongst the fans.
 
MarkA333 said:
For some reason, the powers that be allowed Bosman then capped spending by clubs and created a monopoly for the top 6 premiership clubs. Even Newcastle and Aston Villa are compromised by these rules. It feels like the powers that be want to io maintain the status quo and keep the big 6 teams powerful. Now players disrespect long term contracts, and frankly I feel sorry for us, Aston Villa and Newcastle having our best players poached while players go on strike. The game needs to change to correct this.
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Yes it’s all gone a bit s***, we worship these players like gods, but they’re all seriously over paid mercenaries, it’s a monster that’s been created I’m afraid and after 52 years I should imagine I’m not far off binning it and going to watch my local non-league team at 3PM on a SATURDAY AFTERNOON!!
You can take decent hard working great players earning a fortune, but these days it seems like average or even poor lazy arse players become multi millionaires and are transferred for sums that could buy a small country, despite what Keane and the black fella(name escapes me) say in the Sky adverts, the game HAS gone
 
Perhaps if a player has 3 years remaining on his contract, and seeks to break such contract early, a pre agreed termination fee should apply payable by the player.

Mind you, they'd probably just get the buying club to pay it along with a fat joining bonus for the player!

We're the mugs for continuing to pay for this madness.
 
PatrickA said:
Perhaps if a player has 3 years remaining on his contract, and seeks to break such contract early, a pre agreed termination fee should apply payable by the player.

Mind you, they'd probably just get the buying club to pay it along with a fat joining bonus for the player!

We're the mugs for continuing to pay for this madness.
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The whole mess is due to a player Mr Bosman going to the Court of human Rights who ruled that once a players contract was up the club could no longer hold their registration and sell him to another club. This effectively meant that the player himself would get the transfer (signing on) fee. This moved all the power to the players, leading to the ridiculous spiralling of wages, longer contracts, the demise of smaller clubs who relied on transfer fees etc. etc.
 
I completely agree with this point which is why it was in my opening sentence. The players and agents now have clubs over a barrel at any given time and to contend it, the governing bodies make up rules that penalise the smaller clubs and prevent them from improving.
 
PatrickA said:
Perhaps if a player has 3 years remaining on his contract, and seeks to break such contract early, a pre agreed termination fee should apply payable by the player.

Mind you, they'd probably just get the buying club to pay it along with a fat joining bonus for the player!

We're the mugs for continuing to pay for this madness.
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Exactly.
 
stanzerman said:
The whole mess is due to a player Mr Bosman going to the Court of human Rights who ruled that once a players contract was up the club could no longer hold their registration and sell him to another club. This effectively meant that the player himself would get the transfer (signing on) fee. This moved all the power to the players, leading to the ridiculous spiralling of wages, longer contracts, the demise of smaller clubs who relied on transfer fees etc. etc.
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But absolutely correct legally. If you signed a 1 year contract at your work that expired and then wanted to look for another job how would you feel if your employer had the right to stop you moving?

The reason Marc Bosman won his case was that football clubs were acting illegally.
 
PatrickA said:
Perhaps if a player has 3 years remaining on his contract, and seeks to break such contract early, a pre agreed termination fee should apply payable by the player.

Mind you, they'd probably just get the buying club to pay it along with a fat joining bonus for the player!

We're the mugs for continuing to pay for this madness.
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But in most cases a player doesn’t break the contract. Wanting to be sold is in no way the same as breaking a contract. In my work I am perfectly within my rights to say I’d like to move to a bigger company for more money. I am free to look for other jobs. Football is no different. A contract is just a codified exchange of labour for remuneration. It doesn’t indenture a player to a club.

A transfer fee is, when it comes down to it, just compensation for releasing a player from their contract early.

If a player goes on strike etc then a club is free to terminate their contract. They don’t because they want a transfer fee.
 
JHB said:
But absolutely correct legally. If you signed a 1 year contract at your work that expired and then wanted to look for another job how would you feel if your employer had the right to stop you moving?

The reason Marc Bosman won his case was that football clubs were acting illegally.
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If the outcomes result in worst outcomes for the health of football generally and result in an even more protected elite of clubs.

Then feck his individual rights.....This guy was hardly going to miss a meal, he wasn't being locked up, endangered or sacked.....Then I might give a feck.

Football is now worse off.
 
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Stirlingsays said:
If the outcomes result in worst outcomes for the health of football generally and result in an even more protected elite of clubs.

Then feck his individual rights.....This guy was hardly going to miss a meal, he wasn't being locked up, endangered or sacked.....Then I might give a feck.

Football is now worse off.
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But as has been pointed out it’s not like before the Bosman ruling football was a wonderful free for all where different clubs won trophies every year.

As has been pointed out since 1986 only 9 clubs have won the league. The Bosman ruling was in 1995.

The issue isn’t applying normal contract rules to football. The issue is the financial rules that now enshrine the top clubs in their positions.

What you are saying is you don’t want the law to apply to football contracts. I don’t see how that would work.
 
In essence, there are two big issues.
1 players and agents taking the piss, going on strike, disrespecting contracts.
2 the governing bodies creating laws that preserve the status quo of the top teams and not allowing other teams to progress fairly.
 
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