For some reason, the powers that be allowed Bosman then capped spending by clubs and created a monopoly for the top 6 premiership clubs. Even Newcastle and Aston Villa are compromised by these rules. It feels like the powers that be want to io maintain the status quo and keep the big 6 teams powerful. Now players disrespect long term contracts, and frankly I feel sorry for us, Aston Villa and Newcastle having our best players poached while players go on strike. The game needs to change to correct this.
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Yes it needs a massive overall from top to bottom , or lets all watch tiddly winks 😢
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Yes. It's greed, greed,greed. Why don't we just let Liverpool,Arsenal, Citeh, Chelsea, Utd, Spurs, take their pick of whichever of our players they would like?
The only alternative is to copy the business model of clubs beginning with 'B' in the Premiership. You have to take your hat off to these clubs, unpalatable as that will be for some. They identify raw talent, coach it and sell it on- in Brighton's case, generally to Chelsea for £70m.per player. And the managers of these teams just accept it and get on with it without throwing all the toys out of the pram Glasner -style.
The only alternative is to copy the business model of clubs beginning with 'B' in the Premiership. You have to take your hat off to these clubs, unpalatable as that will be for some. They identify raw talent, coach it and sell it on- in Brighton's case, generally to Chelsea for £70m.per player. And the managers of these teams just accept it and get on with it without throwing all the toys out of the pram Glasner -style.
The 3 clubs you have mentioned have not won a trophy we have 3 and the ZDS 🫣, they have been relegated from the prem in resent times so they have been lucky , see how they get on now in Europe and lge this season . Brighton may find things tougher
If you want to create a level playing field in football the only viable way would be to introduce a salary cap like in the NFL.
Challenge you’ve got is it would need to be Europe wide otherwise all the talent playing in England would just move abroad. You’d also potentially have to work out how it worked with lower leagues.
Realistically it isn’t going to happen. Everyone in football punches down. If stories are to be believed Palace were one of the premier Legaue clubs to veto a more generous revenue sharing agreement with the Championship
Challenge you’ve got is it would need to be Europe wide otherwise all the talent playing in England would just move abroad. You’d also potentially have to work out how it worked with lower leagues.
Realistically it isn’t going to happen. Everyone in football punches down. If stories are to be believed Palace were one of the premier Legaue clubs to veto a more generous revenue sharing agreement with the Championship
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Seems Newcastle, villa and us have had our day in the sun for now. We got close the sun and our wings get clipped.
It's also a food chain. We do it to smaller clubs especially the best of the championship. Their fans would be thinking the same....will we ever get promoted if those premier league clubs keep poaching our players.
It's also a food chain. We do it to smaller clubs especially the best of the championship. Their fans would be thinking the same....will we ever get promoted if those premier league clubs keep poaching our players.
In the 34 years the Premier League has been in existence, there have only been 7 winners. Blackburn, when the spending regulations didnt exist and had a rich benefactor, Leicester which appeared a freak year, they have now dropped to League One. The rest are made up of the top 6 clubs.
Rules are never going to change in favour of clubs outside the top 6, we are just fodder for them to play against and boost their revenue.
Rules are never going to change in favour of clubs outside the top 6, we are just fodder for them to play against and boost their revenue.
Indeed. If you go back over the last 40 years the number only rises to 9. This has been a problem for as long as modern football has existed
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In the NFL the salary cap is a team total - for argument's sake say a club have $1 m a week and choose to give a star player $500k of it the others have to share what's left.
The whole league is set up to try and encourage competition; hence the draft system of the worst performing team getting the best player before the next season. Sometimes a coach's tactics will succeed or there may be an exceptionally good group of players but that's fair enough. Also all merchandising is officially NFL branded with the money shared out equally between clubs (except maybe the Dallas Cowboys who I think are, or were, treated differently).
One downside to their system is that teams are franchises so supporters could see their club move to another city.
Booted Eagle
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Saw a number of £2.14 billion for the transfer window about 2 weeks or so ago. Think you can easily add another £750 million plus to that to get to over £3 billion. The worry with this amount of spending, teams like us could easily be squeezed out of the league, having to spend a kings ransom for garbage, which might already be happening 🥺
Champions historically since 1959
Wolves 1959
Burnley 1960
Spurs 1961
Ipswich 1962
Everton 1963
Liverpool 1964
Man Utd 1965
Liverpool 1966
Man Utd 1967
Man City 1968
Leeds 1969
Nine different winners in that period.
I recognise we're not going back to those days.
But it was far more interesting back then, without the top two or three more or less decided before a ball is kicked.
Wolves 1959
Burnley 1960
Spurs 1961
Ipswich 1962
Everton 1963
Liverpool 1964
Man Utd 1965
Liverpool 1966
Man Utd 1967
Man City 1968
Leeds 1969
Nine different winners in that period.
I recognise we're not going back to those days.
But it was far more interesting back then, without the top two or three more or less decided before a ball is kicked.
Another good thing about the nfl is their contracts are performance based, they'll sign these big 10 year non guaranteed contracts, so you might be on 50 million a year but you're now s***, you don't get picked, so your guarantee is actually only 1 million a year. But like others have said, it'll never happen in football.
My ten pence worth…
I would love to see a full spending cap. Across the board for every single club. We would then see how good some of these big time Charlie’s that buy there way to wins did. What chance have the likes of us got really if Newcastle, the richest club in world football can’t keep there players.
That’s another thing. Get rid of these 5 plus year contracts. They mean nothing now. Of if a player signs a long term contract and then wants to leave there are huge penalties to pay the club that holds the registration. Release clauses can f*** off too… where did they come from FFS.
Never happen though but nice idea to have a level playing field and an ability to build a team without it getting raped every time a player scores 3 or more goals or makes 6 passes in a game.
I would love to see a full spending cap. Across the board for every single club. We would then see how good some of these big time Charlie’s that buy there way to wins did. What chance have the likes of us got really if Newcastle, the richest club in world football can’t keep there players.
That’s another thing. Get rid of these 5 plus year contracts. They mean nothing now. Of if a player signs a long term contract and then wants to leave there are huge penalties to pay the club that holds the registration. Release clauses can f*** off too… where did they come from FFS.
Never happen though but nice idea to have a level playing field and an ability to build a team without it getting raped every time a player scores 3 or more goals or makes 6 passes in a game.
Football has a habit of ignoring the real world when it comes to contracts, which is why it ofen loses in the courts.
There was nothing wrong with the Bosman ruling. It simply meant that clubs could not hold onto a player's registration and thus prevent him moving. Imagine Tesco's telling you no you can't leave and join M&S.
It's why the Release Clause will eventually become standard in football due to another ruling.
In the real world you sign a contract with a utility company. Up front they tell you what your getting and what the penalty is for breaking the contract if you want to move to another utility. That is all the Bosman ruling and the various other cases are about.
Players are entitled to know what the cost of breaking their contract is when they sign it. Players are also greedy, overpaid and entitled. But like any other worker they are allowed by law to change their jobs. In fact I have always maintained that the transfer window is a restraint of trade.
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I agree with the rest of you comments about the big 6 pulling up the ladder. Fair play is not to protect clubs going bust but to stop them getting successful.
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It is sad to watch watch is happening to us Villa and Newcastle (despite the benefits those two have over us). I think us three plus the teams beginning B deserve huge credit for punching above their weight for some time even finishing above any or taking a trophy instead of the big six.
The current PSR rules being different in the Prem to the Europe seems obviously problematic, we are being arbitrarily punished for qualifying for Europe, the likes of Forest will benefit, having not qualified. It doesn’t make sense.
The current PSR rules being different in the Prem to the Europe seems obviously problematic, we are being arbitrarily punished for qualifying for Europe, the likes of Forest will benefit, having not qualified. It doesn’t make sense.
Tesco's don't buy their staff for millions of pounds, they just interview them and hire them.
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And the most obvious change that can help clubs like ours is that the transfer window closes the week before the season starts . We pretty much accept that any A+ rated players will be snapped up by the big boys but give us a chance . Every season we may as well write off the first month with players being tapped up and then the smaller club having to scramble around finding replacements that then affects the clubs further down the pyramid in the same way .
The big clubs will always be the big clubs and its great when we occasionally give them a punch on the nose ,those chances would be greatly increased with a reduction in the number of substitutes .(I would say 3 max) One it stops the bigger clubs bringing on 5 like for like internationals on 60 minutes and two our own stars would maybe think twice when they know their game time will be restricted .Would Arsenal for example even be looking at the likes of Eze if they couldn't even find a place for him on the bench ?
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And not a sub in sight 🙂
My point still stands. They are contracted employees and have rights. Some key workers in financial institutions are just as highly paid and have clauses about the circumstances under which they can leave and go to a competitor.
What is not acceptable is for there to be a one sided contract. If Sarr really wants to leave his contract should have an exit clause negotiated at the time he signed for us. Whether he wants to pay that or another club does is another matter.