Reform

Spindle said:
No, we don't care, because we care more about the future of our nation, the immigrant islamic 3rd world threat, than a few million quid.

What have we got for the £660m spent on French support? Nothing, they are helping them across.
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At least you’re being honest about being morally bankrupt.
 
Stirlingsays said:
He wasn't in parliament and was a private citizen.

If the rules are applied fairly he shouldn't have an issue as there are gift provisions in the rules for his situation.

Also, after Widdlecombe, I really couldn't give a feck. He's been attacked several times and his spokeswoman has been murdered. Your side of politics contains far too many weirdos.
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If I took a gift from a wealthy politically active donor in 2002 and became an MP in 2024 I would have cause to question any criticism.

If I took a gift from a wealthy politically active donor in 2023 and became an MP in 2024 and then advocated for his causes as an MP following the election I would have less reason to cry foul.

If Farage escapes on some technicality of timing and literal construction of the rules then well done him. However, that would say more about the rules than the act.
 
silvertop said:
If I took a gift from a wealthy politically active donor in 2002 and became an MP in 2024 I would have cause to question any criticism.

If I took a gift from a wealthy politically active donor in 2023 and became an MP in 2024 and then advocated for his causes as an MP following the election I would have less reason to cry foul.

If Farage escapes on some technicality of timing and literal construction of the rules then well done him. However, that would say more about the rules than the act.
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If he is found guilty you will be fine with the rules, you have no detail only a biased opinion.
 
silvertop said:
If I took a gift from a wealthy politically active donor in 2002 and became an MP in 2024 I would have cause to question any criticism.

If I took a gift from a wealthy politically active donor in 2023 and became an MP in 2024 and then advocated for his causes as an MP following the election I would have less reason to cry foul.

If Farage escapes on some technicality of timing and literal construction of the rules then well done him. However, that would say more about the rules than the act.
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It's not a technicality, it's a stated provision.

Also sorry....as I've stated, after the Widdlecombe murder and the attacks on him with the State having turned down the obvious security measures he needs.....my 'giving a feck' meter is about as low as it gets.

The feckers in Parliament give themselves pay rises above inflation and most of them take the p1ss on their expenses and I'm meant to give a damn about money Farage gets outside before being an MP?.....Yeah, not happening.

I'm a Restore guy, but I'm well aware that most of those complaining about this would celebrate if Farage wasn't around to kick the left out.

That's all they care about.
 
Stirlingsays said:
He wasn't in parliament and was a private citizen.

If the rules are applied fairly he shouldn't have an issue as there are gift provisions in the rules for his situation.

Also, after Widdlecombe, I really couldn't give a feck. He's been attacked several times and his spokeswoman has been murdered. Your side of politics contains far too many weirdos.
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Not actually correct. Any donations made in the previous 12 months should also be declared.
I also think there is a cover all clause that states if in doubt it should be declared.

I remember many people having a pop at Starmer for accepting a couple of pairs of glasses and suits, which were declared, and Raynor for potentially not paying £40k of stamp duty (which has now been paid) yet when the money involved in over 100 times as much people are desperately trying to justify it.

Regardless of whether you support Farage's politics he is a grifter.

Not declaring properties, getting his girlfriend to pay for his Clacton house to avoid stamp duty, continuing to get paid for Cameo videos after he became a MP would have lead to most politicians resigning by now.
 
palace99 said:
Not actually correct. Any donations made in the previous 12 months should also be declared.
I also think there is a cover all clause that states if in doubt it should be declared.

I remember many people having a pop at Starmer for accepting a couple of pairs of glasses and suits, which were declared, and Raynor for potentially not paying £40k of stamp duty (which has now been paid) yet when the money involved in over 100 times as much people are desperately trying to justify it.

Regardless of whether you support Farage's politics he is a grifter.

Not declaring properties, getting his girlfriend to pay for his Clacton house to avoid stamp duty, continuing to get paid for Cameo videos after he became a MP would have lead to most politicians resigning by now.
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Is this really the best you have got?

The country is falling apart and a technicality fixates you?

Could it have anything to do with running out of excuses for the failure of liberal/left ideals?
 
Hrolf The Ganger said:
Is this really the best you have got?

The country is falling apart and a technicality fixates you?

Could it have anything to do with running out of excuses for the failure of liberal/left ideals?
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I think the corporate takeover of our politics, and the corruption and influence that comes with it, is one of the foundational reasons behind the country falling apart.

We all know who our political system serves, yet when that influence is being flagrantly waved in front of our faces, your response is to shrug your shoulders.

Political corruption and the influence of wealthy donors aren't somehow separate from the problems facing the country - they're an enormous part of it.
 
CPFCSaturn said:
I think the corporate takeover of our politics, and the corruption and influence that comes with it, is one of the foundational reasons behind the country falling apart.

We all know who our political system serves, yet when that influence is being flagrantly waved in front of our faces, your response is to shrug your shoulders.

Political corruption and the influence of wealthy donors aren't somehow separate from the problems facing the country - they're an enormous part of it.
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Started with Blair and Mandelson and has been getting worse ever since, even recently Palantir got a massive UK contract after a non diaried non minuted meeting with Starmer, Mandelson and Palantir CEO, this is in the public domain if you care to look
 
palace99 said:
Not actually correct. Any donations made in the previous 12 months should also be declared.
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No, any political donations.

A gift is exempt only if it could not reasonably be thought related to parliamentary or political activity.

As has been stated he was gifted the money to do with as he pleased.

How are you proving otherwise?



 
CPFCSaturn said:
I think the corporate takeover of our politics, and the corruption and influence that comes with it, is one of the foundational reasons behind the country falling apart.

We all know who our political system serves, yet when that influence is being flagrantly waved in front of our faces, your response is to shrug your shoulders.

Political corruption and the influence of wealthy donors aren't somehow separate from the problems facing the country - they're an enormous part of it.
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Wealthy donors have been a part of politics for years. The Labour Party is no different. They also get funds from Union fees. You have no problem with that, I suppose, but you have a problem with a technical breach of rules when the person concerned was not even in Parliament.

You are a desperate hypocrite with no excuses left for the failure of your politics.
 
Stirlingsays said:
No, any political donations.

A gift is exempt only if it could not reasonably be thought related to parliamentary or political activity.

As has been stated he was gifted the money to do with as he pleased.

How are you proving otherwise?
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I think the accusation is that as he was supposedly considering coming back into politics it is somehow politically linked. I have just checked the rules, there is an appeal procedure that would go to an independent expert panel that has no MPs. Any punishment would be deferred until the appeal was held.

It's a throw enough mud play in my opinion.

The uniparty is more concerned with this than the other minor problems like immigration, debt, defence, cost of living etc as they see Reform as a greater threat to their jobs and powers.
 
If they make him have another by-election they are all just going to get embarrassed again.

If they want to waste more money just to get two fingers back from a majority of Clacton voters then that's their incompetent decision.

They are all desperate and would support just about anything that stopped Farage.

This kind of thing just helps him, as what happened with Trump proved.
 
DanH said:
At least you’re being honest about being morally bankrupt.
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From a man more concerned with 'gifts' than murder, rape and organised crime. In short, a literal invasion of scumbags being allowed by our inept, self serving government.
 
HKOwen said:
I think the accusation is that as he was supposedly considering coming back into politics it is somehow politically linked. I have just checked the rules, there is an appeal procedure that would go to an independent expert panel that has no MPs. Any punishment would be deferred until the appeal was held.

It's a throw enough mud play in my opinion.
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Making decisions based on mind reading?.....Nothing would surprise me with today's elites.
 
Stirlingsays said:
If they make him have another by-election they are all just going to get embarrassed again.

If they want to waste more money just to get two fingers back from a majority of Clacton voters then that's their incompetent decision.

They are all desperate and would support just about anything that stopped Farage.

This kind of thing just helps him, as what happened with Trump proved.
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It's just a diversion while Andy Burnham reads a book on how to be Prime Minister.
 
Hrolf The Ganger said:
Wealthy donors have been a part of politics for years. The Labour Party is no different. They also get funds from Union fees. You have no problem with that, I suppose, but you have a problem with a technical breach of rules when the person concerned was not even in Parliament.

You are a desperate hypocrite with no excuses left for the failure of your politics.
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I have a problem with lots of political funding across the spectrum, but a £5m personal 'gift' is unprecedented in this country - certainly in terms of what has ever been known publicly. Pretending this is just par for the course is pathetic.

We don't know if it's a technical breach of the rules. I don't really care whether they find some bullshit legal loophole or not - I don't need a committee to tell me if I think £5m bungs are ok.

And you've cultishly submitted to a charlatan because you think he's going to save the country.
 
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