War in Ukraine

[ASCPFC]

Interest rates where 22% recently, now 14.5%, difficult to see how the country can invest in itself at those kind of financing costs.

Don't expect anything back.

 

[Stirlingsays]

Interest rates where 22% recently, now 14.5%, difficult to see how the country can invest in itself at those kind of financing costs.

It's a disaster.

Zelensky got elected on peace with Russia and then once in just did whatever the US state department told him to do......which Russia knew was to continue to pull Ukraine away from Russia.....Even though Russia had made it clear that an enemy state in Ukraine was a red line.

This war was being warned about twenty years before it happened but the US state department continued on with its policy because, firstly it's not their troops dying or country getting wrecked and secondly because they thought it could only weaken Russia.....I honestly think they thought the Russians were bluffing.

Regardless, this was viewed as a win win for them.

 

[Stirlingsays]

Don't expect anything back.

Yep, our governments, both Tory and Labour just gave away over ten billion on a losing war.

Elites just continue to feck up and because there are no negative consequences for them they don't care. As long as the media will support whatever stupidity is done.

Yet you get something wrong as an ordinary person and you soon know about it.

 

[beak]

Interest rates where 22% recently, now 14.5%, difficult to see how the country can invest in itself at those kind of financing costs.

Exactly the wheels are coming off. 👍 😉

 

[McAhuna]

Exactly the wheels are coming off. 👍 😉

🤣 You are so unbelievably thick. Sorry, but there's no polite way to put it.

He was talking about Ukraine.

 

[McAhuna]

Yep, our governments, both Tory and Labour just gave away over ten billion on a losing war.

Elites just continue to feck up and because there are no negative consequences for them they don't care. As long as the media will support whatever stupidity is done.

Yet you get something wrong as an ordinary person and you soon know about it.

Agree with most of what you say, but Ukraine is effectively an international money laundering operation. The criminal elites know exactly what they are doing.

 

[Stirlingsays]

Agree with most of what you say, but Ukraine is effectively an international money laundering operation. The criminal elites know exactly what they are doing.

Yep, the country has been used as a proxy for just about every evil out there.

All the virture signallers thinking it's all about what's good for Ukraine.

 

[chris123]

Exactly the wheels are coming off. 👍 😉

This is Russian interest rates not Ukraine for clarity

 

[Stirlingsays]

This is Russian interest rates not Ukraine for clarity

Well, Ukraine's is at 15 percent and they don't have the oil revenue that Russia has.....without western backers god knows where that rate would be....after the war ends I suspect it'll go a lot higher than 15.

They are being funded on the never never.

Also, being far smaller their infrastructure is far more degraded.

The war is obviously destructive for both countries......which to some measure was the point it was continued.

But Russia has far better prospects moving forward due to its energy resources and Chinese and Indian connections.

I don't expect the war to continue much beyond another year......Hopefully it can end tomorrow but that's not going to happen without one more big push I think.

I hear of some interesting anti drone tech that is coming and if that works it will have a significant impact....unless both sides have it.

 

[McAhuna]

The war will continue as long as it remains good for business.

 

[Spiderman]

🤣 You are so unbelievably thick. Sorry, but there's no polite way to put it.

He was talking about Ukraine.

He is only concerned with Epsom High Street. Not a peep about Henry Nowak

 

[McAhuna]

Sir Starmer "Our intelligence is that Russia could attack NATO by 2030.. We have to be prepared for War"

Russia is losing in Ukraine at the same time planning to attack NATO?? Who's dumb enough to buy this BS.

 

[Stirlingsays]

Sir Starmer "Our intelligence is that Russia could attack NATO by 2030.. We have to be prepared for War"

Russia is losing in Ukraine at the same time planning to attack NATO?? Who's dumb enough to buy this BS.

I lost faith in the general population during Covid.

A hell of a lot of people will believe any old sh1t if an authority figure tells them.....especially if they use fear mongering. They won't look at it themselves.

To be fair, it's been done since the year dot........the 'go along' and believe what most believe narrative (which authority figures and the media push) that's the default for most people.

 

[Stirlingsays]

Funny how he isn't interested in what our intelligence's connections were with Epstein, because there were some and with the five eyes generally.

 

[McAhuna]

I lost faith in the general population during Covid.

A hell of a lot of people will believe any old sh1t if an authority figure tells them.....especially if they use fear mongering. They won't look at it themselves.

To be fair, it's been done since the year dot........the 'go along' and believe what most believe narrative (which authority figures and the media push) that's the default for most people.

I think it has been done since the year dot, but in recent years they have added a new ingenious twist.

They realised that most of their old methods were falling flat. People no longer trusted traditional old-school establishment figures and doctrines. Too many mistakes had been made over the years - Vietnam, Iraqi WMD, etc, etc.

So they brazenly switched sides. Started attacking icons of traditional power (albeit superficially) and painted themselves as an anti-establishment alternative. Look at all the big corrupt corporations flying Pride and BLM flags (while still carrying out the exact same exploitative practices in the 3rd world as before). Covid was a good example, because those who genuinely rebelled and didn't like being told what to do by corrupt politicians and trillion-dollar corporations, were suddenly painted as anti-social and even the favourite witch-word 'far-right'. The miracle was that they got away with it with so many people. Like you say, it was difficult to have much faith in a population that is fooled so easily.

 

[silvertop]

Yep, the country has been used as a proxy for just about every evil out there.

All the virture signallers thinking it's all about what's good for Ukraine.

I don't.

Am I a virtue signaller

🙂

 

[Stirlingsays]

I don't.

Am I a virtue signaller

🙂

No, just wrong.

 

[silvertop]

No, just wrong.

Seriously?

By way of example. Chinese special forces are about 30000 in number. I imagine they are trained to peak, have every technical advantage and are competent at what they do. But...

By reputation they are overrated. Why?

No operational experience particularly against their most likely opponents (whoever that may be?).

Our armed forces are supply stretched but they can squeeze everything out of very little and are still considered first tier even against militaries that are far better resourced. Why?

Because they never enjoyed any real extended period of peace since the War especially, I suspect, our special forces.

We are heavily invested in Ukraine not to protect them but to prepare us against our most likely enemy and to project power. We have the Germans and the French following us. We have a sizeable presence in the Balkans. The Poles are armed to the teeth. And Russia now has a taste of what we have. The odd testy skirmish at its weakest borders aside, Putin knows it is suicide to cross into NATO territory.

And there is no time like the present stepping up just as the US pulls back. Failing to support Ukraine would send an appalling message to Russia that Europe was weak without our big brother and there for the taking.

 

[McAhuna]

Seriously?

By way of example. Chinese special forces are about 30000 in number. I imagine they are trained to peak, have every technical advantage and are competent at what they do. But...

By reputation they are overrated. Why?

No operational experience particularly against their most likely opponents (whoever that may be?).

Our armed forces are supply stretched but they can squeeze everything out of very little and are still considered first tier even against militaries that are far better resourced. Why?

Because they never enjoyed any real extended period of peace since the War especially, I suspect, our special forces.

We are heavily invested in Ukraine not to protect them but to prepare us against our most likely enemy and to project power. We have the Germans and the French following us. We have a sizeable presence in the Balkans. The Poles are armed to the teeth. And Russia now has a taste of what we have. The odd testy skirmish at its weakest borders aside, Putin knows it is suicide to cross into NATO territory.

And there is no time like the present stepping up just as the US pulls back. Failing to support Ukraine would send an appalling message to Russia that Europe was weak without our big brother and there for the taking.

So, lets unpack this.

We have a 'first tier military', the French and Germans following us and the Poles are 'armed to the teeth'. 'Putin knows it is suicide to cross into NATO territory'.

But simultaneously we would look 'there for the taking' if we don't keep money-laundering into Europe's most corrupt, child-trafficking, neo-Nazi sympathising, regime.

Got it.

 

[silvertop]

So, lets unpack this.

We have a 'first tier military', the French and Germans following us and the Poles are 'armed to the teeth'. 'Putin knows it is suicide to cross into NATO territory'.

But simultaneously we would look 'there for the taking' if we don't keep money-laundering into Europe's most corrupt, child-trafficking, neo-Nazi sympathising, regime.

Got it.

You did not unpack it.

I will respond when you do.