What was it called?

[madcap_v2]

But how would average players get the £250k per week they deserve to be paid without these European Super Leagues ?

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[Part Time James]

On this subject, am I right in thinking that if Palace win on Thursday they'll be the first team to win the Europa Conference having qualified via a domestic trophy win?

 

[mtp1958]

It's utter woke nonsense, teams that have done jack sh*t all season and finished only 14 points off relegation still get to play in Europe. They'll be letting the Welsh, or women in next.

Steady letting the Welsh in women yes welsh aaaahhh next you be saying part of uk next

 

[Teddy Eagle]

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[TheBigToePunt]

I think many supporters, and players, of clubs at our level would soon tire of that approach. Every season the only target would be to avoid relegation

Yeah, perhaps. The play offs were introduced in the lower leagues to prevent loads of dead rubber games at the end of the season and give more teams something to play for. Expanded European qualification does at least serve that purpose in the premier league.

Even so, I would still prefer the old system to return, with the champions in one competition, the runners up in another, and the cup winners in a third. Without repeating my earlier post, the current system just creates a great sprawling dross. Also, it keeps the big clubs in our league far wealthier than everyone else, even when they fail, relatively speaking. If more of them missed out on champions league money every season then there wouldn't be such a closed shop.

 

[cyprussteve]

Back in the day you had
European cup for league winners only

European cup winners cup for guess who

European fairs cup can't remember who qualified for that.

All were straight knock out comps, same as FA cup and no seeding.
One year Forrest knocked Liverpool ( then holders) in 1st round of European cup. Wouldn't be allowed to happen today too much money involved

 

[Paul Salvage]

Apparently, if results had gone differently yesterday Bournemouth would have qualified for the champions league. By finishing sixth.

What the f*** they would actually have been champions of is unclear to me. It sums up European competition, though.

I hope we win on Wednesday if only to get the crack at the Europa League we were unfairly denied, but even if we do, the conference league is s***. Anyone who is any good at all is already in one of the other competitions because half of Europe qualifies now, so the very bottom of the lowest barrel has been scrapped to find the conference teams. It shows in most of the games.

European competition used to be the pinnacle, now it's often a step down for premier league teams.

You mean a team like Brighton who have “qualified” for the conference. Scraping the bottom again😂
We had better win on Wednesday, as I think they will go deep and possibly win it so in typical fashion the weed do something after we did it first. 🤞🏻

 

[mtp1958]

Can’t get on board with the names of the 2 lesser European cups. Heard people, including Palace fans calling it the ‘two Bob cup’ etc.
I’m going old school and will now be referring to it in its old name.
Can someone let me know if we are in the eufa cup final or cup winners cup final please.

Many thanks.

Fairs cup that was 3rd tier also invitation only but lots of big clubs won it , it got taken over by eufa cup when they stopped the cup winners cup

 

[Common Sense Club]

If these European competitions are to continue-and they will because of who is pulling the strings- then certainly the Conference League should be played in the summer break instead of all the friendly games. Palace will have played over 60 games during a 12 month period. Then there are the internationals and their friendly games. Personally, as others have said, I would revert to the original concept of league winners going into champions league, cup winners to Europa league and league cup winners through to Europa conference. The UEFA push for a European league is fuelling this.

 

[BromleyMonkey]

The old uefa cup was the second tier tournament and the old cup winners cup was generally regarded as the runt of the litter coming in third

 

[TheBigToePunt]

The old uefa cup was the second tier tournament and the old cup winners cup was generally regarded as the runt of the litter coming in third

Yep, that's how I remember it.

It still had teams of a far higher level than the modern conference league, though. Possibly higher than at least half the teams in the Europa League, too.

 

[doombear]

The old uefa cup was the second tier tournament and the old cup winners cup was generally regarded as the runt of the litter coming in third

Not in my group of friends. As the Cup Winners Cup was for clubs that had won something, whereas the Fairs Cup was for also rans, we saw the CWC as more valuable.

 

[BromleyMonkey]

Not in my group of friends. As the Cup Winners Cup was for clubs that had won something, whereas the Fairs Cup was for also rans, we saw the CWC as more valuable.

I think the uefa cup had the better quality teams in it though, although the FA Cup was big back then, domestic cups in other European countries weren’t that great. The uefa/fairs cup had second, third placed teams in it, which is basically like the champions league now.

 

[doombear]

I think the uefa cup had the better quality teams in it though, although the FA Cup was big back then, domestic cups in other European countries weren’t that great. The uefa/fairs cup had second, third placed teams in it, which is basically like the champions league now.

Whilst what you say about the quality of teams was generally the case, our mentality as teenage fans in the 60s was that:

1. If you won the European Cup you were the champions of Europe
2. If you won the Cup Winners Cup you were the Champion Cup winners of Europe
3. if you won the Fairs Cup you were the champion nearly men of Europe.

 

[BromleyMonkey]

Whilst what you say about the quality of teams was generally the case, our mentality as teenage fans in the 60s was that:

1. If you won the European Cup you were the champions of Europe
2. If you won the Cup Winners Cup you were the Champion Cup winners of Europe
3. if you won the Fairs Cup you were the champion nearly men of Europe.

You’re probably right, I do remember in 1991 when Man Utd were in the cup winners cup I was gutted it wasn’t us, especially as they went on to win it.
I always thought it was strange, even back then that the uefa cup final was a two legged affair

 

[mtp1958]

You’re probably right, I do remember in 1991 when Man Utd were in the cup winners cup I was gutted it wasn’t us, especially as they went on to win it.
I always thought it was strange, even back then that the uefa cup final was a two legged affair

Yes but also also our 1st play off final was 2 legs it was the in thing like replays

 

[BromleyMonkey]

Yes but also also our 1st play off final was 2 legs it was the in thing like replays

Don’t mention that, I broke my leg badly just before it and couldn’t go, even more frustrating I lived near the ground and could hear the crowd 😩

 

[StandbyPalace]

Apparently, if results had gone differently yesterday Bournemouth would have qualified for the champions league. By finishing sixth.

What the f*** they would actually have been champions of is unclear to me. It sums up European competition, though.

I hope we win on Wednesday if only to get the crack at the Europa League we were unfairly denied, but even if we do, the conference league is s***. Anyone who is any good at all is already in one of the other competitions because half of Europe qualifies now, so the very bottom of the lowest barrel has been scrapped to find the conference teams. It shows in most of the games.

European competition used to be the pinnacle, now it's often a step down for premier league teams.

Concur. We should go back to the old format but that will never happen. Under the current format though we are seeing more and more English teams selected because we are doing very well in the competitions. We have a finalised in each comp final this year which shows the quality of our league.

 

[TheBigToePunt]

Whilst what you say about the quality of teams was generally the case, our mentality as teenage fans in the 60s was that:

1. If you won the European Cup you were the champions of Europe
2. If you won the Cup Winners Cup you were the Champion Cup winners of Europe
3. if you won the Fairs Cup you were the champion nearly men of Europe.

In my memory of these things, I think perhaps perceptions had changed a tad by the very early 90s, in that unless a reigning domestic champion was able to retain their national title the following season, by the time the European Cup and UEFA Cup finals were played it had usually become apparent that someone else, other than the European Cup finalists, were in fact now the best team in the league that was providing those finalists.

If a team won the European Cup having just a week or two earlier finished 2nd or 3rd in their league then they, perhaps, could hardly claim to be the best team in Europe if they were not even the best team in their home country. By the same token, it was not uncommon for a UEFA Cup finalist to have just won their domestic league a week or two beforehand (I seem to recall Juventus doing this on more than one occasion), and so they might have the better claim.

Of course, the counterargument presents itself; To win the European Cup was so fantastic an achievement precisely because it included the feat of winning your domestic league on route. It was all part of one long journey to the ultimate prize.

Plus, unless a team won the European Cup up or their domestic league, they wouldn't be back again next year. I imagine some teams inevitably focussed on the former as the end of the season drew near, just because the opportunity was so rare. They might be forgiven for having a tiny bit less in the tank for the domestic league title defence in that case.

Either way, both the European Cup and UEFA Cup were far more exclusive. Lots of excellent teams and players never got as sniff of it, not like now.

 

[CrazyBadger]

The main issue you're all moaning over is a Branding thing 🤣. It shouldn't be called the 'Champions League', it should be European WodsOfDosh league.. or just go back to being called the Uefa Cup.

There's also only a handful of countries who have more than 2 entries allowed. But it really shouldn't be 8th in your league gets into Europe.