Labour Party politics

NEILLO said:
He will be a disaster as a PM.

As I've written before, much as I don't like Starmer, the alternatives are far worse.

If Burnham gets in that's good news for Nigel Farage.

By the way, a '' strong NHS '' ? What's that exactly ? It's not been fit for purpose for years. Governments from both sides can chuck all the money at it they like but it's too bloated to succeed.
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Someone likened me to the NHS recently. I took it that I was a national treasure but now I see what they were getting at.
 
The Dolphin said:
I read comments from Powell - Deputy Labour leader - this morning about needing Burnham to head off Reform.
If ever you wanted to know how self serving they are - it is right there - no concern for the country or the population - just staying in power to continue to wreck the place.
She also says - " we have made mistakes" - no S*** Sherlock!
I detest them more than any party ever
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I am not going to try and change your view on anything. I listen to talk shows and people calling in saying Starmer - with genuine belief - has "crashed the economy" etc. Has he? No. He has quietly got on with managing the economy back from the last lot who actually did crash the economy.

However, he is an able cabinet minster, but PM - never! Too many U-turns and no control over his own party, let alone the country. Absolute toast for any decent name who challenges him, either within his party, at the dispatch box or in any election. Out you pop. However, on the points you make...

Firstly, it is an inherent failing with all politicians that self service is number one. Do you think Farage will be any different?

Secondly, she is stating that Reform will be a catastrophe for the country. We need a "white knight" that can take them on to save the nation. I am not saying that is my opinion, but that was what she was saying.
 
silvertop said:
I am not going to try and change your view on anything. I listen to talk shows and people calling in saying Starmer - with genuine belief - has "crashed the economy" etc. Has he? No. He has quietly got on with managing the economy back from the last lot who actually did crash the economy.

However, he is an able cabinet minster, but PM - never! Too many U-turns and no control over his own party, let alone the country. Absolute toast for any decent name who challenges him, either within his party, at the dispatch box or in any election. Out you pop. However, on the points you make...

Firstly, it is an inherent failing with all politicians that self service is number one. Do you think Farage will be any different?

Secondly, she is stating that Reform will be a catastrophe for the country. We need a "white knight" that can take them on to save the nation. I am not saying that is my opinion, but that was what she was saying.
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Your summary of the economic woes we have is juvenile, last two budgets , massive borrowing, welfare cost increase. I know ideologically you can't accept that so your comments hardly a surprise.

The people spoke in the recent elections and what they said was to hell with Labour.
 
silvertop said:
I am not going to try and change your view on anything. I listen to talk shows and people calling in saying Starmer - with genuine belief - has "crashed the economy" etc. Has he? No. He has quietly got on with managing the economy back from the last lot who actually did crash the economy.

However, he is an able cabinet minster, but PM - never! Too many U-turns and no control over his own party, let alone the country. Absolute toast for any decent name who challenges him, either within his party, at the dispatch box or in any election. Out you pop. However, on the points you make...

Firstly, it is an inherent failing with all politicians that self service is number one. Do you think Farage will be any different?

Secondly, she is stating that Reform will be a catastrophe for the country. We need a "white knight" that can take them on to save the nation. I am not saying that is my opinion, but that was what she was saying.
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This is going to be expensive, 10 year gilts at near 20 year high.
 
Jury knobbling, donations, lobby system, big US tech, Palentir and citizens data, Mandelson/Eppstein, Mossad Mahmood and Met police commissioner, increased privatisations, water companies given license to pollute, unelected HOL talk out assisted dying, access to citizens bank accounts, just a few items but the UK involvement in Gaza will really stick in the throat.

Starmer would be missed by Israel armanent manifacturers, but hardly anybody else.

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HKOwen said:
Your summary of the economic woes we have is juvenile, last two budgets , massive borrowing, welfare cost increase. I know ideologically you can't accept that so your comments hardly a surprise.

The people spoke in the recent elections and what they said was to hell with Labour.
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0.6 % GDP rise Q1. Hardly a Bonanza but best in the west.

I am not a labour supporter - they are shambolic - but I will call out nonsense.
 
Stirlingsays said:
It's the point because why should I care about Reform beating Labour if the end result gives us the same thing?

Should I really be excited for another five years of neo liberalism.....just because we won't have woke shoved up our arses.

I mean, if Restore aren't anywhere come election year I'll probably vote Reform but I won't be excited for it. I'll always vote for the right wing option because I'm fundamentally against modern establishment social liberalism.

But in some ways Farage's government won't be that different from Labour.......He'll still hold his nose at Robinson won't he.

You have a go at Lowe but you probably agree with him more on policy than you do Farage. Why be bothered until election year.

You say it's a pipedream.....I say it's more a pipedream to think it can be done further down the line with another ten years of demographic change. It's a pipedream to think that you can do any of this with the current establishment running the current institutions.

It's Lowe or bust......I'm willing to take that ride.
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Sorry about the slow response. I'm in Venice at the moment doing Venice things.

I get where you are coming from, but I don't agree that Reform will just be business as usual. If they want to be a party that lasts past one election and past Farage, then they have to deliver and they must know it. If on the other hand, they screw the electorate and go off into the sunset, then we have gained little but lost little except time. We would certainly be no better off under Labour and probably worse off, so it's a safe bet for me unless you think that Restore can win an election.

If Restore looked like they were coming up on the rails come '29, then I might take a punt, but right now we are looking at least worst options and I suspect strongly that it will remain that way.

If we can slow immigration to small numbers, deport illegals and actually stop the boats, then that will be progress. Beyond that, there must be a reversal of DEI and a change in attitude on law and order.

All these things are well within the powers of government if the ruling party has the will and the numbers. The biggest hurdle will be money. Farage made Brexit happen with the backing of some of the Right. He was a constant thorn in the side of the EU. I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt this time.

After what will be 19 years of failure, how bad could Reform be?

Rupert Lowe has a lot of thinking to do. Does he carry on his egotistical revenge attempt or does he throw in with the rest of the right and go tactical? The conversation has to be had if the numbers are looking close.
I doubt either party want to do a deal with the Tories, but keeping Labour and the loony Greens out is the priority. Farage will go it alone if the omens look favourable. I'd be happy to see some Restore representation, but that remains to be seen.
 
silvertop said:
Perhaps?

We lost 4% of our GDP due to Brexit. Maybe our 0.6% rise was due to slow recovery from such a low base?
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That growth figure has been generally revised up to 7-8% lost due to brexit.

Where can the government conjure up some growth, closer alignment or rejoining the EU is probably trhe only option they have.

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steeleye20 said:
That growth figure has been generally revised up to 7-8% lost due to brexit.

Where can the government conjure up some growth, closer alignment or rejoining the EU is probably trhe only option they have.

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These figures are nonsense, there is no proof whatsoever that Brexit has caused a fraction of the things laid at it's door. Remainers blithely ignore all other factors such as Covid, wars etc.
 
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