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Mattconrov said:
I agree. Unfortunately we all go through a certain amount of conditioning.
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You can't agree with me and then agree with Dan, it's polar opposite on most topics. There's no planting flags in both camps.

There are literally three options for voting right wing. So If you're not voting right wing there's no point claiming conservatism when we live under progressive elites and laws.
 
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Mattconrov said:
Again I agree with most if this.
Except ,I'm not voting for anyone.

I'm just really disappointed by that restore policy paper.

Listening to Rupert Lowe a few months ago, I liked the guy. I'm not sure he has written all or any of this paper. Obviously he will endorse it.

I'm not sure if this is relevant; but it comes to my mind.

During the Blm protests around "covid time" - at my place of work, all the black people I knew except one (she was an idiot) disagreed with the protests. Plus like you and me, they were generally against the covid restrictions and forced jabs. More than the whites by far. Asians not so much on the covid stuff.

I guess what I'm trying to say, is we can learn more from each other than what politicians are telling us.
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I'm excited by Lowe's movement far beyond the political.

This is the last I'll speak on your position.

The British or Europeans in general, have nothing to learn from commonwealth, African or middle eastern nations. They move here it's not the other way round. The last two British generations have had elites making busy giving away everything the previous generations built for them....them, not foreigners.

But affairs of the heart are just that. I'm happy for you that you have found your special person and for the small number of black conservatives I regard them as good people, but they are far smaller in number than you make out here.....the voting breakdown shouldn't be ignored because you might know a good family.

No one has a problem with Frank Bruno types.

This is Britain and it's for the British, not the United Nations.
 
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DanH said:
To save me time he is the Restore Britain immigration policy on their website:


If a legally resident foreign national is unable to speak English, lives in social housing, claims benefits, refuses to work, fails to integrate, commits crime or actively hates our way of life and wishes to do us harm, they will be deported.

This literally says any legally resident foreign national claiming benefits will be deported. That definitely fits the bill of families in my son’s class.

Would you vote for that?
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“Legally resident “ could mean those that are here legally but not permanent residents. The wording is ambiguous and can be taken either way, depending on your political view. IMO from experience, no permanent resident and certainly no BC would ever be deported. Having said that PR could be revoked in the case of serious crime, although, even then, very rare
 
Spiderman said:
“Legally resident “ could mean those that are here legally but not permanent residents. The wording is ambiguous and can be taken either way, depending on your political view. IMO from experience, no permanent resident and certainly no BC would ever be deported. Having said that PR could be revoked in the case of serious crime, although, even then, very rare
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The most interesting part is the one on dual nationality. This will be stripped in circumstances consistent with existing laws. It is very rare and examples are very few and far between. I believe it is less than 250 in last 15 years and so the reference to only doing it in line with existing laws is odd. I thought they would want to tear up existing laws.
But then on the section under criminals it say any dual national who knowingly covered up rape gang abuse will also be deported. It is known that some councillors and police officers knew what was happening and didn’t do anything, so a policeman who happened to be an Irish dual national by parentage could be deported but a ‘sole British’ policeman couldn’t be. Bit racist that.
 
Stirlingsays said:
You can't agree with me and then agree with Dan, it's polar opposite on most topics. There's no planting flags in both camps.

There are literally three options for voting right wing. So If you're not voting right wing there's no point claiming conservatism when we live under progressive elites and laws.
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That's all a bit English civil war isn't it? Who's side are you on etc

Pragmatism means you can part agree and part disagree. It is evidence of intelligence.

What you advocate is dogmatism. That is evidence of stupidity.

Pick a side and examine it closely there will be things that don't fully sit. You plant your flag where your subjective ratio is highest but only an idiot believes everything.
 
cryrst said:
Are you actually saying you think 2TK believed he could deliver what was in his manifesto and speeches prior to being elected. WASPI, 1.5 million homes, stop the boats for just 3.
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Believed with confidence? No, probably not. Thought with a fair wind and some luck that something close was possible, for enough to claim delivery, yes. That said he would have expected events to happen. They always do. Events being the scourge, and usual downfall, of every PM.

It’s different to those who construct a manifesto built solely on what they think people want to hear, without any regard at all for deliverability.
 
silvertop said:
That's all a bit English civil war isn't it? Who's side are you on etc

Pragmatism means you can part agree and part disagree. It is evidence of intelligence.

What you advocate is dogmatism. That is evidence of stupidity.

Pick a side and examine it closely there will be things that don't fully sit. You plant your flag where your subjective ratio is highest but only an idiot believes everything.
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So you are calling him stupid.

From the man who plays the victim over hurty words.
 
A few years ago the tabloid newspapers were constantly running stories about a crime wave sweeping the country and on the odd occasion reported a milk bottle theft etc etc So an investigative journalist wanted to find out how bad things had really got, he went to several places and was struck by the example of a village in Somerset a local pensioner when interviewed said that she was terrified and would only leave home for a very brief period for a small shop in daylight and she had a few apocryphal hair raising tales to tell (think HOL). So being an investigative journalist he attended the local Police station for some verification, apparently in the last decade the ONLY crime in the area was an elderly farm worker failing to put his lamp on whilst cycling his bike. This does put the scaremongering far right " Reform " adherents and the fictional tabloid stories into focus as fairy stories for adults.
 
beak said:
A few years ago the tabloid newspapers were constantly running stories about a crime wave sweeping the country and on the odd occasion reported a milk bottle theft etc etc So an investigative journalist wanted to find out how bad things had really got, he went to several places and was struck by the example of a village in Somerset a local pensioner when interviewed said that she was terrified and would only leave home for a very brief period for a small shop in daylight and she had a few apocryphal hair raising tales to tell (think HOL). So being an investigative journalist he attended the local Police station for some verification, apparently in the last decade the ONLY crime in the area was an elderly farm worker failing to put his lamp on whilst cycling his bike. This does put the scaremongering far right " Reform " adherents and the fictional tabloid stories into focus as fairy stories for adults.
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Bit early to be drinking isn’t it? 😂
 
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