Reform

[beak]

To save me time he is the Restore Britain immigration policy on their website:

https://www.restorebritain.org.uk/immigration_border_control

If a legally resident foreign national is unable to speak English, lives in social housing, claims benefits, refuses to work, fails to integrate, commits crime or actively hates our way of life and wishes to do us harm, they will be deported.

This literally says any legally resident foreign national claiming benefits will be deported. That definitely fits the bill of families in my son’s class.

Would you vote for that?

How do you know wether someone has integrated unless they are a Dalek and disintigrate? 😉

 

[Stirlingsays]

But it’s all just so mental and stems from a fundamental misunderstanding of how both humans work and how economics work.

Your entire belief system is based on you just wanting tribalism and conflict. The reality is that 99% of people get on, no matter what they look like or where they’re from, and just want to live a quiet and simple life.

This ‘inevitable’ race war you’ve got a hard on for is just dreamt up by you online weirdos so desperate for it because you’re s*** scared of your own shadow when you dare risk leaving the house.

The misunderstanding is all yours.

Both on my positions and of both humans and embarrassingly for your piece of paper......economics.

I don't think I'd call it 'race war', though some kind of conflict is inevitable however it's framed. So let it be understood that 'race war' are you words, but fair enough, time will tell how right or wrong I am.....I am far from alone in my opinion, there was a professor who even went mainstream to say similar to my views not so long ago......He said that he knew people in government and security who shared the same thoughts and concerns.

Also, saying that 99 percent of people 'get on' is utterly deluded. Reform lead the opinion polls and with the Tories and Restore that's half the country.....And both the Tories and Restore are seemingly more right wing than Reform now (though I think it's fake).

But at least you answered a question, I'll give you that.

 

[beak]

You’re not being thick at all. The ‘or’ is extremely deliberate. It’s one box. But deliberately ambiguous.

These aren’t just the run of the mill down the pub thick racists we’re talking about now. Far smarter and far more organised.

By the way they’ve phrased that (cleverly) they are essentially saying they have mandate for any foreign born on any form of benefit to be fair game to be deported. That includes maternity and paternity pay, or statutory sick pay.

They do this so they can point to it and say people voted for it.

They can have all the master plans they like but they will not be elected.

 

[Mattconrov]

You’re not being thick at all. The ‘or’ is extremely deliberate. These aren’t just the run of the mill down the pub thick racists we’re talking about now. Far smarter and far more organised.

By the way they’ve phrased that (cleverly) they are essentially saying they have mandate for any foreign born on any form of benefit is fair game to be deported. That includes maternity and paternity pay, or statutory sick pay.

They do this so they can point to it and say people voted for it.

Unfortunately it does have a feel of - if you don't agree with what we've said then you're not patriotic and hate our country.

I appreciate people want something to be done. But I'm not too impressed but what I've read on their policy.

The point on being a Christian country got me.

When I'm in Croydon and Redhill, the absolute majority of Christian church people preaching are black and Asian looking.

My own visits to church in my village of Merstham also back this up.

Some on here may think I've gone all leftie.
I say it how I see it.

 

[Stirlingsays]

You’re not being thick at all. The ‘or’ is extremely deliberate. It’s one box. But deliberately ambiguous.

These aren’t just the run of the mill down the pub thick racists we’re talking about now. Far smarter and far more organised.

By the way they’ve phrased that (cleverly) they are essentially saying they have mandate for any foreign born on any form of benefit to be fair game to be deported. That includes maternity and paternity pay, or statutory sick pay.

They do this so they can point to it and say people voted for it.

You think they are hiding that? I wasn't aware they were.

Though I think you went a bit catch all there.

It won't be 'foreign born on benefits' if they are married or can show they have been economically productive and well integrated.

But yes, why do we have foreigner born people here on sitting on benefits?

This is called Britain......Not the United Nations Benefit Centre.

 

[cryrst]

I don't know if I'm being thick here. But their policy on deportations looks very ambiguous to me.

Are they saying you have to tick one of those boxes, some or all?

The one about integration is silly because how do you define that when deporting anyone?

Kinda funny also that we have plenty of foreign nationals paying plenty of tax and helping to pay for British born and bred benefit claimants.

I've only read to that point. I'll check the rest out.

As much as we have messed this country up it's too late now to think those tactics will change things in my opinion.

At best we should deport the illegals. Good luck with sorting out 2 million of those to go back.

This is a bucket of cold water for those who think it's achievable

It’s a wish list but to immigrants it could be enough to get them thinking if the uk is as great as they are led to believe. If it does nothing but dissuade some it is good policy. The Rwanda scheme was starting to do just this even though very few went or even would have gone . The threat was enough but silly bollox ripped it up on day one with no alternative.

 

[Mattconrov]

It’s a wish list but to immigrants it could be enough to get them thinking if the uk is as great as they are led to believe. If it does nothing but dissuade some it is good policy. The Rwanda scheme was starting to do just this even though very few went or even would have gone . The threat was enough but silly bollox ripped it up on day one with no alternative.

If it was a wish list it would say it. It's their policy.

 

[Stirlingsays]

Unfortunately it does have a feel of - if you don't agree with what we've said then you're not patriotic and hate our country.

I appreciate people want something to be done. But I'm not too impressed but what I've read on their policy.

The point on being a Christian country got me.

When I'm in Croydon and Redhill, the absolute majority of Christian church people preaching are black and Asian looking.

My own visits to church in my village of Merstham also back this up.

Some on here may think I've gone all leftie.
I say it how I see it.

Restore isn't for you.

You explained yourself with 'let's all get on'.....It's no different to what Rishi Sunak was saying.

You and Dan are essentially the same on this.....and that's a large part of what's important to the left.

 

[cryrst]

If it was a wish list it would say it. It's their policy.

So was 1.5 million homes in 5 years.
Do you think that’s happening ?

 

[Stirlingsays]

They can have all the master plans they like but they will not be elected.

Hell, you might be right.

Nothing to worry about then.

 

[Mattconrov]

You think they are hiding that? I wasn't aware they were.

Though I think you went a bit catch all there.

It won't be 'foreign born on benefits' if they are married or can show they have been economically productive and well integrated.

But yes, why do we have foreigner born people here on sitting on benefits?

This is called Britain......Not the United Nations Benefit Centre.

To be fair they don't say whether someone won't be deported if they're married. I didn't read that. If it's in there, then I'm sorry

As the last post it leads people to read into things that are not in their policy.

The country is screaming out for a decent pro Britain first party . On what I've seen here it's a re hash of the old Bnp.

If people want Restore to do well It might be worth mentioning some of these ambiguities.

 

[Mattconrov]

So was 1.5 million homes in 5 years.
Do you think that’s happening ?

Politicians lying, whatever next.
Maybe you should be remembering that when voting for anyone.

They are all liars

 

[Stirlingsays]

To be fair they don't say whether someone won't be deported if they're married. I didn't read that. If it's in there, then I'm sorry

As the last post it leads people to read into things that are not in their policy.

The country is screaming out for a decent pro Britain first party . On what I've seen here it's a re hash of the old Bnp.

If people want Restore to do well It might be worth mentioning some of these ambiguities.

From Grok.

What Restore Britain Actually Says About Spouses and Immigration

Their policy on spousal visas focuses on making it easier and fairer for British citizens to bring in a genuine foreign spouse (e.g., an American wife or husband) to build a family in the UK. They want to reduce fees, speed up processing, and stop treating legitimate applicants like "fraudsters," while still requiring English fluency, financial self-sufficiency, and commitment to Britain. This applies mainly to non-"Red List" countries and is framed as supporting British family formation—not shielding illegal migrants.

They explicitly distinguish this from cracking down on illegal immigration and "genuine foreign miscreants."

 

[Mattconrov]

Restore isn't for you.

You explained yourself with 'let's all get on'.....It's no different to what Rishi Sunak was saying.

You and Dan are essentially the same on this.....and that's a large part of what's important to the left.

What I said on my previous post was we should try and unite. I did also say that it's that's probably too strong a word and wasn't meant with the same intent as grifting politicians.

It's hardly a bad thing to say let's get on. That why politicians say it but don't mean it

If someone like me who is generally moderate/right can see this ambiguity with restore, then others will.

It's not about being on Dan h side or anyone's side. It's a good idea to listen to each other.

 

[Mattconrov]

From Grok.

What Restore Britain Actually Says About Spouses and Immigration

Their policy on spousal visas focuses on making it easier and fairer for British citizens to bring in a genuine foreign spouse (e.g., an American wife or husband) to build a family in the UK. They want to reduce fees, speed up processing, and stop treating legitimate applicants like "fraudsters," while still requiring English fluency, financial self-sufficiency, and commitment to Britain. This applies mainly to non-"Red List" countries and is framed as supporting British family formation—not shielding illegal migrants.

They explicitly distinguish this from cracking down on illegal immigration and "genuine foreign miscreants."

That's on immigration not the point on people being deported if they are married; which in Restore's policy paper doesn't mention any exemption

We shouldn't need to use Grok A I when we have their own policy there to read.

I'm generally interested in what Restore stand for. So it's not a debate or an argument I want. I have plenty of those at work.

 

[Stirlingsays]

What I said on my previous post was we should try and unite. I did also say that it's that's probably too strong a word and wasn't meant with the same intent as grifting politicians.

It's hardly a bad thing to say let's get on. That why politicians say it but don't mean it

If someone like me who is generally moderate/right can see this ambiguity with restore, then others will.

It's not about being on Dan h side or anyone's side. It's a good idea to listen to each other.

Like I've already said.

I was hearing this fifty years ago.

It hasn't worked, people really tried, it just doesn't work....birds of a feather will defeat it everytime....the vast percent of people who talk like yourself here are whites...You don't hear it much from other groups....kudos to the few that do, but most don't and never will.

What happened instead brought us to where we are now.....We are the grift which keeps on giving. The place where Muslims fill Trafalgar Square in displays that look like domination rituals and our capital cities are now so foreign that even John Cleese....the life long liberal recognises it......Those with foreign cultures are no longer called to integrate, which never worked on a large scale anyway.....Which Dan thinks is fine and dandy and that I'm deluded.

Well, that's cool, I'm not going to carry on flogging a dead horse to you Matt. Restore isn't for you.....You should probably vote Tory or Reform.

Restore isn't going to push comfortable untruths at people.....they have said the future's difficult and that's because it's the truth.

 

[DanH]

From Grok.

What Restore Britain Actually Says About Spouses and Immigration

Their policy on spousal visas focuses on making it easier and fairer for British citizens to bring in a genuine foreign spouse (e.g., an American wife or husband) to build a family in the UK. They want to reduce fees, speed up processing, and stop treating legitimate applicants like "fraudsters," while still requiring English fluency, financial self-sufficiency, and commitment to Britain. This applies mainly to non-"Red List" countries and is framed as supporting British family formation—not shielding illegal migrants.

They explicitly distinguish this from cracking down on illegal immigration and "genuine foreign miscreants."

‘E.g. an American’ doing a huge amount of dog whistling here

 

[DanH]

Like I've already said.

I was hearing this fifty years ago.

It hasn't worked, people really tried, it just doesn't work....birds of a feather will defeat it everytime....the vast percent of people who talk like yourself here are whites...You don't hear it much from other groups....kudos to the few that do, but most don't and never will.

What happened instead brought us to where we are now.....We are the grift which keeps on giving. The place where Muslims fill Trafalgar Square in displays that look like domination rituals and our capital cities are now so foreign that even John Cleese....the life long liberal recognises it......Those with foreign cultures are no longer called to integrate, which never worked on a large scale anyway.....Which Dan thinks is fine and dandy and that I'm deluded.

Well, that's cool, I'm not going to carry on flogging a dead horse to you Matt. Restore isn't for you.....You should probably vote Tory or Reform.

Restore isn't going to push comfortable untruths at people.....they have said the future's difficult and that's because it's the truth.

Aren’t you still in your 50s?

 

[Stirlingsays]

Aren’t you still in your 50s?

I could have phrased that better, but there is plenty of old video with this messaging......and it actually goes back way back further than fifty years ago. Wilson's government started most of that.

 

[Stirlingsays]

‘E.g. an American’ doing a huge amount of dog whistling here

Or you are just very one track minded.