Reform

[Phil’s Barber]

To save me time he is the Restore Britain immigration policy on their website:

https://www.restorebritain.org.uk/immigration_border_control

If a legally resident foreign national is unable to speak English, lives in social housing, claims benefits, refuses to work, fails to integrate, commits crime or actively hates our way of life and wishes to do us harm, they will be deported.

This literally says any legally resident foreign national claiming benefits will be deported. That definitely fits the bill of families in my son’s class.

Would you vote for that?

I was already aware of that Dan, I’d read it in full some hours ago when researching what the Reform and Restore Britain deportation policy was - I still have it on my browser ‘History’.

That is their respective Party stance or current policy.

As interesting as it is, you said you would search for the posts from members on this Forum who have expressed a view that they would like to see Third Generation Immigrants forcibly deported from the UK…NOT the Restore Britain policy on Immigration.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

To save me time he is the Restore Britain immigration policy on their website:

https://www.restorebritain.org.uk/immigration_border_control

If a legally resident foreign national is unable to speak English, lives in social housing, claims benefits, refuses to work, fails to integrate, commits crime or actively hates our way of life and wishes to do us harm, they will be deported.

This literally says any legally resident foreign national claiming benefits will be deported. That definitely fits the bill of families in my son’s class.

Would you vote for that?

I would, if I thought that Restore had any chance of winning the election. They don't.

Don't worry.

 

[cryrst]

To save me time he is the Restore Britain immigration policy on their website:

https://www.restorebritain.org.uk/immigration_border_control

If a legally resident foreign national is unable to speak English, lives in social housing, claims benefits, refuses to work, fails to integrate, commits crime or actively hates our way of life and wishes to do us harm, they will be deported.

This literally says any legally resident foreign national claiming benefits will be deported. That definitely fits the bill of families in my son’s class.

Would you vote for that?

So you are ok for someone who fits the above to live next to you who wishes to harm you or yours, commits crime, refuses to work etc and puts nothing in the system to stay. That’s fine if you agree but to me they would be a drain and a danger and not worthy of staying here.

 

[Stirlingsays]

Which ones do you think? Why would any get deported? Those born here will be British and the parents with long term residency will either be British or have ILR neither of which would result in deportation… fact.
If however, the parents have been living here illegally ( ie not ever regularised their stay) they may have a problem but due to presumed length of residency I doubt it.
Don’t believe all you read, no political party would deport British Citizens but what we need is a party who clamps down on illegals and foreign criminals, do you not agree?

No.

Who is and isn't a British citizen will be changed.
The laws will be changed or the country will be lost to Dan types forever....and the country itself.....it won't be Britain, most of the British who can flee, will flee.

It's already happened in the major cities over the course of my lifetime. A quite simply incredible transformation, none of it done via consent. A form of ethnic cleansing.

The future won't be discussed over tea and crumpets and we won't always have a woke judiciary and Police force.

One thing is inevitable, things won't stay the same.

Either the Dan types will win or the Lowe types will.......but this idea that it's all going to carry on with centralism and respected laws of liberalism as before isn't realistic. Even with Farage it's about accepting what's happening but just at a slower pace.

We are old, most conservative boomers are with Reform because they believe that all you need is Thatcherism back and a bit less immigration and things will get sorted. But it's a convenient lie to themselves.....The first thought of the boomer and a lot of Gen X is for themselves.....So they don't want any rocking of the boat....just the fruitcakess and pseudo commies out.

The left have already convinced them that someone like Farage is radical.....which is one of the biggest political jokes out there. The left just want to confine us because they actually believe anything to the right of Farage is Hitler.....So they pretend that Farage himself is going back to 'Hitler'....because they lie about everything as all their arguments are built upon emotional appeals.

You need to look at the conservative youth and where they are going and that's with Lowe......Because they are the ones having to deal with the disaster we have left them.

 

[Midlands Eagle]

some here wouldn’t class my son, or his parents as British, despite all being born here.

Ah but which cricket team does he support 😀

PS. Hi Dan. Long time no speak

 

[DanH]

No.

Who is and isn't a British citizen will be changed.
The laws will be changed or the country will be lost to Dan types forever....and the country itself.....it won't be Britain, most of the British who can flee, will flee.

It's already happened in the major cities over the course of my lifetime. A quite simply incredible transformation, none of it done via consent. A form of ethnic cleansing.

The future won't be discussed over tea and crumpets and we won't always have a woke judiciary and Police force.

One thing is inevitable, things won't stay the same.

Either the Dan types will win or the Lowe types will.......but this idea that it's all going to carry on with centralism and respected laws of liberalism as before isn't realistic. Even with Farage it's about accepting what's happening but just at a slower pace.

We are old, most conservative boomers are with Reform because they believe that all you need is Thatcherism back and a bit less immigration and things will get sorted. But it's a convenient lie to themselves.....The first thought of the boomer and a lot of Gen X is for themselves.....So they don't want any rocking of the boat....just the fruitcakess and pseudo commies out.

The left have already convinced them that someone like Farage is radical.....which is one of the biggest political jokes out there. The left just want to confine us because they actually believe anything to the right of Farage is Hitler.....So they pretend that Farage himself is going back to 'Hitler'....because they lie about everything as all their arguments are built upon emotional appeals.

You need to look at the conservative youth and where they are going and that's with Lowe......Because they are the ones having to deal with the disaster we have left them.

Stirling saving me the bother of finding me a historic post, Phil’s Barber.

Are you on side with this or not?

 

[DanH]

Ah but which cricket team does he support 😀

PS. Hi Dan. Long time no speak

🤣🤣🤣

Evening, Sir. Hope all good with you.

 

[Stirlingsays]

Stirling saving me the bother of finding me a historic post, Phil’s Barber.

Are you on side with this or not?

What do you mean by 'on side'?

The only question is whether someone is living in denial or not.

It either happens or doesn't and I think it's inevitable once we have break down via economic collapse......whatever the outcome of it is.

 

[silvertop]

I wouldn't say nationalists are antisemitic as such, but it's certainly true that a percent are.

Because as the stats show the highest number of pro Israel is also amongst the nationalists.

Internationalists or in other words the modern day left certainly have their share as well.

But the highest number is within the 'progressives'.

Also the question is what actually is anti semitism because it's like the term racism or referring something to Hitler, it's become a politicized term rather than a descriptive one. As with racism there is a lack of nuance..... and that lack of nuance is deliberate.

It's the wilful conflation of anti Semitism and criticism of the actions of the Lacud government that annoys me.

It's as stupid as saying an attack on jihadis is an attack on Islam.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

No.

Who is and isn't a British citizen will be changed.
The laws will be changed or the country will be lost to Dan types forever....and the country itself.....it won't be Britain, most of the British who can flee, will flee.

It's already happened in the major cities over the course of my lifetime. A quite simply incredible transformation, none of it done via consent. A form of ethnic cleansing.

The future won't be discussed over tea and crumpets and we won't always have a woke judiciary and Police force.

One thing is inevitable, things won't stay the same.

Either the Dan types will win or the Lowe types will.......but this idea that it's all going to carry on with centralism and respected laws of liberalism as before isn't realistic. Even with Farage it's about accepting what's happening but just at a slower pace.

We are old, most conservative boomers are with Reform because they believe that all you need is Thatcherism back and a bit less immigration and things will get sorted. But it's a convenient lie to themselves.....The first thought of the boomer and a lot of Gen X is for themselves.....So they don't want any rocking of the boat....just the fruitcakess and pseudo commies out.

The left have already convinced them that someone like Farage is radical.....which is one of the biggest political jokes out there. The left just want to confine us because they actually believe anything to the right of Farage is Hitler.....So they pretend that Farage himself is going back to 'Hitler'....because they lie about everything as all their arguments are built upon emotional appeals.

You need to look at the conservative youth and where they are going and that's with Lowe......Because they are the ones having to deal with the disaster we have left them.

You have always tended to have a dystopian vision of our future, unless the kind of interventions you approve of are enacted. I suspect you watch too many movies and, especially, right wing podcasts and that they are impacting your ability to be rational. This post being clear evidence of that.

I though see a dystopian future for us should such policies be enacted, but am very confident that won’t happen. Whilst there has always been both an extreme left, and extreme right, presence on the fringes of our politics I regard both as unimportant and insignificant. They just make more noise these days. That being one of the changes to the modern world that you despise.

Most of us agree about many basic things. We only lean left, or right, many changing their lean quiete frequently. Reform have captured attention for a while for obvious reasons. Whether they can withstand the scrutiny they will now face is yet to be known. You don’t think Farage is radical but you look at him from a position far removed from most others. To them he is radical. They don’t need convincing by any of those bogeymen living in your head.

I am not well placed to judge what today’s youth will be voting but suspect it will be just as varied as other segments. If it swings to Reform it won’t last long. They will be back with us in the sensible centre just as soon as reality bites.

 

[Stirlingsays]

It's the wilful conflation of anti Semitism and criticism of the actions of the Lacud government that annoys me.

It's as stupid as saying an attack on jihadis is an attack on Islam.

Yep plenty of Jews are anti Zionist and I've never gone with the idea that criticising policies or a political wing means you're against a whole people.

It's a subset of a group, no different to being against subsets of other groups or even your own.

Personally I'm conflicted about the whole topic.

I understand what the Israeli government is doing on a practical level for their long term survival.....I just don't think it can be defended morally.

But that's often the case....Wars aren't won fairly.....All the crap isn't written about after the war, only the good stuff is promoted and propagandized by whoever wins.

If I think about it....it's painful I understand the horror happening to real human beings.....All war is essentially terrible.

But this is all inevitable once 1948 happened.....It's a them or us situation for both parties. I see the parallels within all polarized societies.

Israel can't survive long term without US money.....once that goes, the US grifting and large scale weapon support stops as does the bribery of regional governments stops......They are clearing house while they still have the chance.....because once the boomers are gone the youth are far less pro Israel, left or right.

I see the sense for Israel......but for the US? It takes a President willing to burn all bridges just for his donors to do that.

I wonder what Trump has been promised for this.

 

[DanH]

What do you mean by 'on side'?

The only question is whether someone is living in denial or not.

It either happens or doesn't and I think it's inevitable once we have break down via economic collapse......whatever the outcome of it is.

So far down the rabbit hole even Alice has sent a flare up.

 

[Stirlingsays]

So far down the rabbit hole even Alice has sent a flare up.

Again, answer questions and stop deflecting.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Again, answer questions and stop deflecting.

Some questions are so stupid that ignoring them is the only appropriate answer!

 

[Stirlingsays]

Some questions are so stupid that ignoring them is the only appropriate answer!

Oh look Captain Boomer turns up to save his boyfriend with a reply so pathetic that even Dan could beat it in an arms wrestle.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

It's the wilful conflation of anti Semitism and criticism of the actions of the Lacud government that annoys me.

It's as stupid as saying an attack on jihadis is an attack on Islam.

There is a difference, but I'm not sure some on the left are paying attention.

 

[cryrst]

So far down the rabbit hole even Alice has sent a flare up.

That’s a bit short sighted.
Most people are 2-3 months from
no food no roof. The money will be reduced eventually as the magic tree will stop producing money.
You are a typical I’m alright jack as it will never be you who won’t eat. It will be one or more of your 70 employees who will need to go to keep you in clover.

 

[DanH]

Again, answer questions and stop deflecting.

But it’s all just so mental and stems from a fundamental misunderstanding of how both humans work and how economics work.

Your entire belief system is based on you just wanting tribalism and conflict. The reality is that 99% of people get on, no matter what they look like or where they’re from, and just want to live a quiet and simple life.

This ‘inevitable’ race war you’ve got a hard on for is just dreamt up by you online weirdos so desperate for it because you’re s*** scared of your own shadow when you dare risk leaving the house.

 

[Mattconrov]

To save me time he is the Restore Britain immigration policy on their website:

https://www.restorebritain.org.uk/immigration_border_control

If a legally resident foreign national is unable to speak English, lives in social housing, claims benefits, refuses to work, fails to integrate, commits crime or actively hates our way of life and wishes to do us harm, they will be deported.

This literally says any legally resident foreign national claiming benefits will be deported. That definitely fits the bill of families in my son’s class.

Would you vote for that?

I don't know if I'm being thick here. But their policy on deportations looks very ambiguous to me.

Are they saying you have to tick one of those boxes, some or all?

The one about integration is silly because how do you define that when deporting anyone?

Kinda funny also that we have plenty of foreign nationals paying plenty of tax and helping to pay for British born and bred benefit claimants.

I've only read to that point. I'll check the rest out.

As much as we have messed this country up it's too late now to think those tactics will change things in my opinion.

At best we should deport the illegals. Good luck with sorting out 2 million of those to go back.

This is a bucket of cold water for those who think it's achievable

 

[DanH]

I don't know if I'm being thick here. But their policy on deportations looks very ambiguous to me.

Are they saying you have to tick one of those boxes, some or all?

The one about integration is silly because how do you define that when deporting anyone?

Kinda funny also that we have plenty of foreign nationals paying plenty of tax and helping to pay for British born and bred benefit claimants.

I've only read to that point. I'll check the rest out.

As much as we have messed this country up it's too late now to think those tactics will change things in my opinion.

At best we should deport the illegals. Good luck with sorting out 2 million of those to go back.

This is a bucket of cold water for those who think it's achievable

You’re not being thick at all. The ‘or’ is extremely deliberate. It’s one box. But deliberately ambiguous.

These aren’t just the run of the mill down the pub thick racists we’re talking about now. Far smarter and far more organised.

By the way they’ve phrased that (cleverly) they are essentially saying they have mandate for any foreign born on any form of benefit to be fair game to be deported. That includes maternity and paternity pay, or statutory sick pay.

They do this so they can point to it and say people voted for it.