Reform

[ASCPFC]

Thanks for the copy and paste.
So what exactly is your point? Are you saying Reform are far right national socialists? And are just like the Nazis? We've been there done that with Trump and look what happened. He was voted in.

Looking at antisemitism incidents report from 2025:

Antisemitic Incidents Report 2025 – CST Publications

cst.org.uk

These incidents don't look like it's been caused by reform or its voters.

There's plenty of academic work hidden away about anti-Semitism. Most demonstrate that anti-Semitism rises with two main factors:

Islamic immigration (relatively constant upward curve)
When Israel is in a conflict. (Upward spike in incidences).

Some try to incorporate the pogroms of the past. Some try to include the Holocaust. Those skew the figures - clearly.

If I am to be balanced (why bother) some debunk the immigration part in all fairness. An EU wide research project that I read seemed to not like the figures they found. I'm pretty sure you can imagine.

 

[beak]

There's plenty of academic work hidden away about anti-Semitism. Most demonstrate that anti-Semitism rises with two main factors:

Islamic immigration (relatively constant upward curve)
When Israel is in a conflict. (Upward spike in incidences).

Some try to incorporate the pogroms of the past. Some try to include the Holocaust. Those skew the figures - clearly.

If I am to be balanced (why bother) some debunk the immigration part in all fairness. An EU wide research project that I read seemed to not like the figures they found. I'm pretty sure you can imagine.

Nazi Germany had neither excuse just a megalomaniac who dreamt in concerete,most of us soften our views in the cold light of day.

 

[georgenorman]

Nazi Germany had neither excuse just a megalomaniac who dreamt in concerete,most of us soften our views in the cold light of day.

Hey pedant, you spelt concrete incorrectly.

 

[beak]

Hey pedant, you spelt concrete incorrectly.

yes but the meaning was clear enough for you to interpret my true meaning.

 

[georgenorman]

yes but the meaning was clear enough for you to interpret my true meaning.

As of course was my post, although 'dreaming in concrete' is pretty meaningless. Still waiting for an answer by the way.

 

[DANGERCLOSE]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2036464354405544388

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

I do not agree that the Nazi party are right wing in the modern sense. They were more national socialists.

If we're talking trust around government and ethnic hatred then the real surge in antisemitism today is coming from the far left. Why should we trust a left wing or far left government in this sense then as today's far left has far more in common with 1930s Jew hatred.

I believe the conservative party was also right wing during WW2? Yet they fought against the Nazis?

This isn’t the first time that someone on the right here has tried to disassociate the Nazis from themselves and suggest that because they described themselves as “socialists” they were actually left wing in their beliefs. It is, of course, complete nonsense. There are common threads which run from Nazi beliefs through to the right wing parties of today. There were others too but that doesn’t change the links. They were as much part of the right as Reform are today. I suggest you read this brief history with an open mind. You can easily see the overlapping approaches:-

The Nazi Party | Holocaust Encyclopedia

The National Socialist German Workers' Party, also known as the Nazi Party, was the far-right racist and antisemitic political party led by Adolf Hitler.

encyclopedia.ushmm.org

As a second, but really important issue, is the continuing assertion that to oppose current Israeli politics is to be anti Jewish or anti Semitic. It just isn’t. I have always opposed Zionism but that doesn’t make me anti Semitic. We really must be able to criticise political policies without being accused of unwarranted slurs.

 

[DanH]

This isn’t the first time that someone on the right here has tried to disassociate the Nazis from themselves and suggest that because they described themselves as “socialists” they were actually left wing in their beliefs. It is, of course, complete nonsense. There are common threads which run from Nazi beliefs through to the right wing parties of today. There were others too but that doesn’t change the links. They were as much part of the right as Reform are today. I suggest you read this brief history with an open mind. You can easily see the overlapping approaches:-

The Nazi Party | Holocaust Encyclopedia

The National Socialist German Workers' Party, also known as the Nazi Party, was the far-right racist and antisemitic political party led by Adolf Hitler.

encyclopedia.ushmm.org

As a second, but really important issue, is the continuing assertion that to oppose current Israeli politics is to be anti Jewish or anti Semitic. It just isn’t. I have always opposed Zionism but that doesn’t make me anti Semitic. We really must be able to criticise political policies without being accused of unwarranted slurs.

The attempted rewriting of history is scary.

 

[Stirlingsays]

This isn’t the first time that someone on the right here has tried to disassociate the Nazis from themselves and suggest that because they described themselves as “socialists” they were actually left wing in their beliefs. It is, of course, complete nonsense. There are common threads which run from Nazi beliefs through to the right wing parties of today. There were others too but that doesn’t change the links. They were as much part of the right as Reform are today. I suggest you read this brief history with an open mind. You can easily see the overlapping approaches:-

The Nazi Party | Holocaust Encyclopedia

The National Socialist German Workers' Party, also known as the Nazi Party, was the far-right racist and antisemitic political party led by Adolf Hitler.

encyclopedia.ushmm.org

As a second, but really important issue, is the continuing assertion that to oppose current Israeli politics is to be anti Jewish or anti Semitic. It just isn’t. I have always opposed Zionism but that doesn’t make me anti Semitic. We really must be able to criticise political policies without being accused of unwarranted slurs.

A National Socialist......Not a socialist.

As I suspect you don't know any actual detail and just point to articles, most of which aren't objective..
Here is what they did from a left wing perspective.....but again, it's National Socialism, not left wing in modern day terms as it was within the prism of state nationalism.

They significantly expanded state- and party-run daycare and nursery provision.

They organized subsidized leisure, cultural, and vacation programs for workers. This included cheap day trips, theater/concert tickets, sports events, libraries, and group holidays/cruises (previously unaffordable for most).

Large-scale public works and job-creation programs.

A state subsidized Volkswagen Beetle for workers reduced in cost to around five months wages for a factory worker.

They increased corporate and profit taxes on the wealth class.

None of these policies were being offered nor implemented by right wing parties of the time.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

A National Socialist......Not a socialist.

As I suspect you don't know any actual detail and just point to articles, most of which aren't objective..
Here is what they did from a left wing perspective.....but again, it's National Socialism, not left wing in modern day terms as it was within the prism of state nationalism.

They significantly expanded state- and party-run daycare and nursery provision.

They organized subsidized leisure, cultural, and vacation programs for workers. This included cheap day trips, theater/concert tickets, sports events, libraries, and group holidays/cruises (previously unaffordable for most).

Large-scale public works and job-creation programs.

A state subsidized Volkswagen Beetle for workers reduced in cost to around five months wages for a factory worker.

They increased corporate and profit taxes on the wealth class.

They did those things from a far right ideology. Not a socialist one. They were done to bind a particular group to themselves. As a reward for accepting the ideology. It was a means to an end. Not ideologically driven policy. Socialism embraces all, not just some. It’s inclusive. Not exclusive.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

They did those things from a far right ideology. Not a socialist one. They were done to bind a particular group to themselves. As a reward for accepting the ideology. It was a means to an end. Not ideologically driven policy. Socialism embraces all, not just some. It’s inclusive. Not exclusive.

It excluded the 60 - 100 million who died in China, Russia and Cambodia.

 

[Stirlingsays]

They did those things from a far right ideology. Not a socialist one. They were done to bind a particular group to themselves. As a reward for accepting the ideology. It was a means to an end. Not ideologically driven policy. Socialism embraces all, not just some. It’s inclusive. Not exclusive.

You seem to be unable to think about politics from within the prism of that time and place.

The National Socialists were authoritarians (like the communists) and far right socially and left wing statists economically.....a form of socialism.

I literally named you left wing policies that they implemented.....these were actual things that happened, not opinions. Denying these things is rewriting history.

It's not modern day left and right. No one is saying that they were modern day socialists....modern day socialism is internationalist.....but that was only one form of socialism a hundred years ago.

 

[eaglesdare]

This isn’t the first time that someone on the right here has tried to disassociate the Nazis from themselves and suggest that because they described themselves as “socialists” they were actually left wing in their beliefs. It is, of course, complete nonsense. There are common threads which run from Nazi beliefs through to the right wing parties of today. There were others too but that doesn’t change the links. They were as much part of the right as Reform are today. I suggest you read this brief history with an open mind. You can easily see the overlapping approaches:-

The Nazi Party | Holocaust Encyclopedia

The National Socialist German Workers' Party, also known as the Nazi Party, was the far-right racist and antisemitic political party led by Adolf Hitler.

encyclopedia.ushmm.org

As a second, but really important issue, is the continuing assertion that to oppose current Israeli politics is to be anti Jewish or anti Semitic. It just isn’t. I have always opposed Zionism but that doesn’t make me anti Semitic. We really must be able to criticise political policies without being accused of unwarranted slurs.

Calling Nazis "far right" in the modern sense ignores their National Socialist core. They were not conservatives preserving tradition they were revolutionary authoritarians. British Conservatives (right wing at the time) fought them precisely because Nazi expansionism and totalitarianism threatened liberty and national sovereignty, not because they shared values.

On antisemitism today, the post Oct 7 surge has been heavily driven by the far left and not conservatives.

Check out the 2025 report for antisemitism incidents. You will see a common theme....

Antisemitic Incidents Report 2025 – CST Publications

cst.org.uk