Glasner Out

I do not understand why he is still here, a million to him, and a chance, without him to get 20m from winning the conference league.
 
If the club has organised a new manager, and that new manager is currently available, I could see a benefit in bringing him in now.
Not as a slap in the face for Glasner but as a pragmatic hard headed decision to prepare us for next season.
If he joined now he could make an assessment of the squad now as opposed to the summer. We’d be ahead of the game so to speak on which players fit in and those who may be needed in the summer window.
Sure he could do some work on this without being in place now , but there’s no substitute for observing them first hand at close quarters every day.
 
Nutmegyeti said:
I think Glasner’s a bit of a one-trick pony in terms of the system he sets up, and also in terms of the pattern you see wherever he goes. It’s almost the same story every time. He comes in, things click for a season or two, the system works, results are good and everyone’s happy. Then eventually there’s a falling-out with the board, things turn sour, and he moves on.

That doesn’t mean he’s a bad manager. If anything, he’s very good at getting a team organised quickly and squeezing the best out of a squad in the short term. But the evidence so far suggests he’s not someone who builds a long-term project. It’s more of a two-season burst and then the cycle repeats somewhere else.

Where I do think he handled things badly was January. He was a complete prick about it and burnt a lot of bridges with the way he went about things. At the end of the day, if you’ve already told the club you’re leaving in October, they’re not going to go out in January and sign players specifically for you. They’re going to be signing players for the next manager.

Even so, you still can’t ignore the fact that he delivered the FA Cup. That’s a massive moment for the club. Plenty of very good Palace managers never managed that.

In terms of style, I still think he’s closer to the Roy Hodgson mould than people like to admit. Comes in - strong system, disciplined structure, but not always brilliant at breaking down teams that sit deep.

Still, whatever anyone thinks about the man or how it ended, the trophy is in the cabinet and he can do no wrong to some, for others (like yourself) he was lucky. For some he was a prick afterwards.

None of these are mutually exclusive, they can all be true. But you know what Napoleon said when he appointed a general - he didn't ask if he was good, he asked if he was lucky.
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Agree with all of this. He’s a 2 season coach. Builds a team playing to his system and is able to analyse opponents well enough to compete especially in cup competitions. Second season the wheels come off. It’s a combination of teams working out his system, his unwillingness to change the system when it isn’t working, and players getting stale and bored with training and playing the same way week in week out.

I think he knows that he’s only good for 2 seasons which is why he moves on. It doesn’t make him a bad manager but a limited one. He’s not alone in that respect. There are a few like him. Unai Emery is the prime example. He rarely lasts more than a couple of seasons before his teams go off the boil and players are glad to see the back of him.

Glasner’s tantrums were disappointing but as I’ve said previously I think perhaps his serious head injury as a player has left him with difficulty controlling his emotions at times. I’m prepared to forgive him that because he gave us the best few weeks the club has had. As regards his decision to leave, I think it’s sensible because he isn’t able to take this team any further. He goes with my thanks for what he achieved and hopefully the next guy has a profile better suited to where we are at as a club.
 
Eagle Black. said:
He won't though, it's good ole 5-3-2 from Oliver, who can't break down a low block or beat 10 men with dull football.
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Well, English rugby seemed to have an epiphany with their style of play (until JVP came on anyway), so maybe it’s not beyond the realms of reasonableness that Glasner changes his formation and tactics between now and the end of the season.

On second thoughts forget that, it ain’t happening.
 
While the criticism of Glasner's tactics and the inability to cope with the ' low block ' ( packed defence in old money ) is justified, I saw another Head Coach similarly stumped to find a solution.

Anyone else watch the West Ham - Man City game ?
 
NEILLO said:
While the criticism of Glasner's tactics and the inability to cope with the ' low block ' ( packed defence in old money ) is justified, I saw another Head Coach similarly stumped to find a solution.

Anyone else watch the West Ham - Man City game ?
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Indeed. Mentioned it in another thread that this weekend was awful in terms of entertainment across the league. 3 x 0-0s and so far 9 teams failing to score. Wolves v Brentford tonight could well see both those stats increasing.
 
I watched the Coventry Southampton game, thoroughly entertaining in terms of speed of movement and attempts to get in and score.

I was in a pub yesterday with all three 2.00 PL games on. The Utd game looked ok but the Forest Fulham and Palace Leeds matches were appalling.

I’m not sure Championship team fans will want to come up if that is the way you are expected to play to get a result.
 
I'm still not sure if I was the one with the choice if I'd pull the trigger (better the devil you know). But am starting to find some of this in game management baffling to say the least.

If Leeds at home with 10 men isnt a time to really go for it, when is?

Its a real shame because with all the attacking reinforcements, it feels like this is about as strong as out attack has every been. Certainly if we are looking at depth.
 
Please can someone explain the current situation to me, we are playing awful, terrible home form all season, even so we are only 5 points from 8th which is about 15m different, the winner of the conference league is worth 19m, why haven't we given Glasner, say 2m, and bought someone in on a permanent or temporary post, a decent run now with new tactics could earn a lot more than the 2m to exit Glasner, it seems a strange decision to keep Glasner, with no chance of a decent run of games with our current manager refusing to adapt his stance on tactics. most un Parish.
 
Glasner is trying to play the same way that brought some success, but crucially without the same tools.

The right hand side does not work offensively without Munoz
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The left side does not work offensively without Guehi and Eze.
Guehi rarely gave the ball away and had the ability to bring the ball into midfield, almost as an extra midfield player, allowing the team to push up and press higher.
He, Eze and Mitchell had a good understanding down the left which in turn left space for Sarr and Munoz down the right as opposition teams were drawn to our left side.
Finally, we had Mateta at the top of his game scoring goals, holding off defenders and laying off the ball to Eze, Sarr and Munoz.

Look at what we have now as it seems to me that we are set up to fail.
Mitchell is a contender for our player of the season, but he is not a wing back so he's been set up to fail in the role.
He's never going to be beating players in advanced positions and consistently hitting a stream of accurate crosses begging for a finish.
Johnson is a penalty box player who specialises in tap ins at the far post or close range finishes (look at his goals at previous clubs).
Yet Glasner has managed to find a position for him where he never appears in the penalty area. Bizarre.

Glasner has devised a system where Larsen is getting even less service than he did at disastrous Wolves, and again will fail here if this continues.

It's also worth pointing out that attacking players Nketiah, Pino, Uche, Esse and to an extent Guessand and Larsen have all struggled under Glasner.
I can't believe that they are all bad players, even if they have played badly.
In fact it could be argued that some of them have gone backwards under him.
 
PatrickA said:
Glasner is trying to play the same way that brought some success, but crucially without the same tools.

The right hand side does not work offensively without Munoz
.
The left side does not work offensively without Guehi and Eze.
Guehi rarely gave the ball away and had the ability to bring the ball into midfield, almost as an extra midfield player, allowing the team to push up and press higher.
He, Eze and Mitchell had a good understanding down the left which in turn left space for Sarr and Munoz down the right as opposition teams were drawn to our left side.
Finally, we had Mateta at the top of his game scoring goals, holding off defenders and laying off the ball to Eze, Sarr and Munoz.

Look at what we have now as it seems to me that we are set up to fail.
Mitchell is a contender for our player of the season, but he is not a wing back so he's been set up to fail in the role.
He's never going to be beating players in advanced positions and consistently hitting a stream of accurate crosses begging for a finish.
Johnson is a penalty box player who specialises in tap ins at the far post or close range finishes (look at his goals at previous clubs).
Yet Glasner has managed to find a position for him where he never appears in the penalty area. Bizarre.

Glasner has devised a system where Larsen is getting even less service than he did at disastrous Wolves, and again will fail here if this continues.

It's also worth pointing out that attacking players Nketiah, Pino, Uche, Esse and to an extent Guessand and Larsen have all struggled under Glasner.
I can't believe that they are all bad players, even if they have played badly.
In fact it could be argued that some of them have gone backwards under him.
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I agree with all, but surely Glasner can see this, and surely he cant be as stubborn to ruin his own reputation, its like the emperors new clothes, everyone sees it, but at club level nobody does anything
 
We are all aware that Glasner will be departing at the end of the season.
At this juncture I am not left with a sense that supporters in general are disappointed he will be off to 'Pastures new' !
Perhaps if we lift the Conference League trophy this will alter mindsets !
 
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Willo said:
We are all aware that Glasner will be departing at the end of the season.
At this juncture I am not left with a sense that supporters in general are disappointed with his decision. Perhaps if we lift the Conference League trophy this will alter mindsets !
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Managers in general have a 2 season cycle, they do well in their first season, then teams know how to play against them and nullify them in their second season. Brentfords Keith Andrews is enjoying a first season, but next season will be different, as it has been with Slot at Liverpool.
Very few have longevity in The Premier, unless they have an open cheque book like Pep and Arteta.
 
PatrickA said:
www.skysports.com

Oliver Glasner's SPIKY response when asked about a lack of entertaining football at Crystal Palace!

Palace boss Oliver Glasner gets spiky with a reporter during a news conference after their goalless draw to Leeds United.
www.skysports.com www.skysports.com

Worth a watch.
Personally I thought the reporter had a point about lack of dribblers, but Glasner avoided the crux of the issue and talked about goals scored instead.
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Of course if you are a rich club like Bayern Munich, Arsenal or Man City you can attract and pay the fees and higher wage demands of the top players, and then your club will almost always be stronger for adding them as a result. It also follows that if you are the selling club your side will then have limitations as a result.

Maybe that can be mitigated for a while by having a top director of football resupplying with the best recruitment to resupply, but with the best will in the world it will never replace them. I think the best ethos to employ when you support a team like Palace is to really cherish the season or two where it all comes together like 1991 or 2025, but know and accept that for the most part we will be an average club like most others, trying to punch above our weight.

Glasner obviously has one eye on his next job and is reticent to say anything else that will be interpreted as critising the club again. Of course Pino is not Eze, he doesn't look before he passes, is too lightweight, and can't finish like Eze can. Nobody else at the club or out on loan like Franca, Rak Sakyi, Esse can either. Its impossible to replace Eze or Olise with that kind of quality, so all you can do when you don't have such a player is to change the tactics and try to mitigate that. The January signings are not for Glasner but they must be for someone. We just don't know who. What we can say for sure is that the current tactics don't work well without wingbacks and a number 10.
 
Palacesince64 said:
Agree with all of this. He’s a 2 season coach. Builds a team playing to his system and is able to analyse opponents well enough to compete especially in cup competitions. Second season the wheels come off. It’s a combination of teams working out his system, his unwillingness to change the system when it isn’t working, and players getting stale and bored with training and playing the same way week in week out.

I think he knows that he’s only good for 2 seasons which is why he moves on. It doesn’t make him a bad manager but a limited one. He’s not alone in that respect. There are a few like him. Unai Emery is the prime example. He rarely lasts more than a couple of seasons before his teams go off the boil and players are glad to see the back of him.

Glasner’s tantrums were disappointing but as I’ve said previously I think perhaps his serious head injury as a player has left him with difficulty controlling his emotions at times. I’m prepared to forgive him that because he gave us the best few weeks the club has had. As regards his decision to leave, I think it’s sensible because he isn’t able to take this team any further. He goes with my thanks for what he achieved and hopefully the next guy has a profile better suited to where we are at as a club.
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can't disagree with any of this. he has struggled at previous clubs after initial success and it was telling he only signed a 2.5 year contract initially.

I remember when we had injuries early last season and we lost poorly at home to Fulham after OG refused to change the formation and put 4 or 5 into positions they weren't suited to i said he would be ok if we had a fully fit 1st X1 but the moment 2 or 3 regulars are missing we will struggle.

It's the same when we sell a player , which let's face it is a regular occurrence in football, he struggles to integrate new players.

The last few games has shown his limitations. Going down to 10 men at Man U he immediately puts on an extra central defender - why when you are a man down.

What has he learnt from the Larnaca game 4 months ago? It appears nothing.

What do you change when the opposition go down to 10 men? It appears nothing.

The 3421 works well away from home when teams usually have to push forward and have the bulk of the possession. In fact it's a good formation.

Against lesser opposition, especially at home, it is so limited. Central defenders are usually the least creative players on the ball so allowing them possession rarely leads to a goal. I remember Coppell doing this in the 4-3 v Liverpool in 1990 and that defender was Alan Hansen, arguably one of the best.
So you can see teams quite happy when our 3 play it in triangles.

Yesterday the space was down Mitchell's side yet at no point did i see OG insist one of the 10s go over and assist him, and of course the like for like subs were just so predictable.

The after much comments were so predictable too - difficult to play against 10, respect the point, we moved the ball too slowly (yes as per EVERY game), we are better off this season than most other seasons etc - ignoring that we have broken our transfer record twice in the last window.

It is currently as bad as under Roy and yet the players are on paper so much better.

I don't like to see managers go, and he deserves so much respect for what he has achieved, however, if/when we go out in Europe he might as well go and we can put Paddy in charge until the end of the season.

I can't be bothered to go to the pub to watch the game on Thursday now. Hopefully we will win and i'll get the chance to go to Florence, but it will not be a good watch.
 
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