Manchester United vs. Crystal Palace match thread

so many memories said:
Clear as day. Football is finished. Utter cheating c****. Has Clattenburg died and been reincarnated as this c***
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Watch the Arsenal Chelsea game.
Rice had a chelsea player in a double armed hold while Chelsea were attacking, he then elbowed the ball and Chelsea got nothing. Our beloved game really need a massive overhaul. It is being run by big big money that is doing it no favours.
 
VAR / Ref would have given a free kick to us outside the box if it had been at the other end. Plus a yellow card as it wasn’t denying a goal scoring opportunity. I would also say that the dive alone which was worthy of a gold medal should have been a yellow card - Grrr! Yes, I’m Palace and biased but in this instance I would say the same for any team in that situation today. The big teams win again :-(
 
Reasons why it should not have been a penalty and red card.

1) the contact made was light and didn’t bring the player to the ground, who dived forward despite supposedly being dragged back.
2) the initial contact was outside the box.
3) the direction of travel of the ball was not directly toward the goal.
4) the keeper was likely favourite to get to the ball first.
5) Mitchell was getting across to cover.
6) the attacker made no attempt to stay strong and try and win the ball, he dived.

There were more reasons not to award a penalty and a red than there were to do so.
 
Agree. And Hughes could have gone.
Inconsistent decisions.
Didn’t know what he was going to give yesterday.
Could have been no foul, yellow/penalty, yellow/free kick, red/penalty, red/free kick.
We got double punished.
Shame as the decision changed the game.
We go again.

eaglesdare said:
I honestly thought whartons penalty tackle last week should have been a red card.

Maybe it's balanced itself out?
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Im not one for conspiracy theories and refs cheating.

The Declan Rice one on the Chelsea player was a joke, how is that not a foul. He better get them out the way now, don’t want them at the World Cup.

dreamwaverider said:
Watch the Arsenal Chelsea game.
Rice had a chelsea player in a double armed hold while Chelsea were attacking, he then elbowed the ball and Chelsea got nothing. Our beloved game really need a massive overhaul. It is being run by big big money that is doing it no favours.
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Eaglecoops said:
Reasons why it should not have been a penalty and red card.

1) the contact made was light and didn’t bring the player to the ground, who dived forward despite supposedly being dragged back.
2) the initial contact was outside the box.
3) the direction of travel of the ball was not directly toward the goal.
4) the keeper was likely favourite to get to the ball first.
5) Mitchell was getting across to cover.
6) the attacker made no attempt to stay strong and try and win the ball, he dived.

There were more reasons not to award a penalty and a red than there were to do so.
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If a genuine chance a striker would have muscled on and took it he didn't have the ball under control hence the dramatic dive , lacroix hand was lifting before he went down so we're is the pull back , as said if Sarr had done it would have been lucky to get the pen let alone the sending off , also I wouldn't have been happy with Sarr
 
dreamwaverider said:
Watch the Arsenal Chelsea game.
Rice had a chelsea player in a double armed hold while Chelsea were attacking, he then elbowed the ball and Chelsea got nothing. Our beloved game really need a massive overhaul. It is being run by big big money that is doing it no favours.
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Don't hold your breath. Manchester City and the 115 charges? 3 years on and still no verdict. Money talks! I guess it's natural to think that if there's nothing to hide then all would have been revealed by now.

www.bbc.co.uk

Man City 115 charges: Javier Tebas says handling of case 'damaging' for Premier League

The Premier League has been "damaged" by the fact there is yet to be a verdict in the case against Man City, says Javier Tebas.
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park the bus said:
Don't hold your breath. Manchester City and the 115 charges? 3 years on and still no verdict. Money talks! I guess it's natural to think that if there's nothing to hide then all would have been revealed by now.

www.bbc.co.uk

Man City 115 charges: Javier Tebas says handling of case 'damaging' for Premier League

The Premier League has been "damaged" by the fact there is yet to be a verdict in the case against Man City, says Javier Tebas.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
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Could it be that they are waiting to see if Arsenal draw sufficiently clear in the title race this season so that the powers can deduct 60 odd points from City in one season, so that, they only suffer minimally, they lose one title challenge, don't get relegated, don't have any transfer embargo & start the following season with a clean slate ?

Of course the wording of any verdict / penalty will have to be well thought out so as not to be too damning of the city management board because if the main man walks away (disillusioned with the outcome or hounded out of office by an outcome that considers badly managed responsibility) City will be looking for new owners again.
 
As soon as the penalty incident occurred yesterday, I said there will be the usual ' apology ' from Howard Webb.

If he wants to be taken seriously, then he should suspend Kavanagh. Hot on the heels of his incompetent display at the Villa-Newcastle game, he was at it again yesterday. This is a referee that serially depends on VAR to bail him out. Only as we all know, those officials can't be relied on either.

Performance wise, the opening 30 minutes were the best I've seen from a Palace team in the last 3 months. But after the penalty and red card any chance we had of a point/s were gone.

I've said it before, I'm getting increasingly cynical about the Premier League. It's become a closed shop stitch up. I've no confidence in the people running the game or officiating them. The majority of the players are overpaid, mercenary Prima Donna's.
 
Emboldened by successfully conning the ref once, Cunha dived in the area again five minutes later, but that time got nothing. My issue is the consistency around where the bar is set for what is considered enough contact for a penalty. We've seen repeatedly this season players get tripped, pulled and pushed in the area only to hear the commentator and pundits say "there's not enough contact there for a penalty", yet yesterday it was deemed that Lacroix simply having his hand on Cunha's shoulder was enough. He doesn't pull him. It's the equivalent of your boss coming up behind you at work while you're walking down the corridor; imagine if you fell to the floor when he placed a hand on your shoulder.

United were diving and making a meal out of every bit of contact to quite an embarrassing degree, but I did think we were fortunate against Wolves last week when they got a soft red, so I guess these things balance out. I had begun to feel a bit sorry for United and Maguire because they'd become such an embarrassment, but after yesterday, I can at least go back to hating them as much as Liverpool.
 
Willo said:
Clearly Cunha was held back outside the box and the referee and VAR seeing that Lacroix had a hand on the attackers shoulder when he tumbled inside the area deemed that a penalty should be awarded. Given this decision was made, it is understandable that a 'Red' was issued.
People of course have different viewpoints.
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Look for the picture from the opposite side to the cameras, LaCroix definitely let go of the shoulder prior to being in the box. The bloke cheated as did the ref
 
Caterham said:
Could it be that they are waiting to see if Arsenal draw sufficiently clear in the title race this season so that the powers can deduct 60 odd points from City in one season, so that, they only suffer minimally, they lose one title challenge, don't get relegated, don't have any transfer embargo & start the following season with a clean slate ?

Of course the wording of any verdict / penalty will have to be well thought out so as not to be too damning of the city management board because if the main man walks away (disillusioned with the outcome or hounded out of office by an outcome that considers badly managed responsibility) City will be looking for new owners again.
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Indeed. Because the authorities themselves are complicit. How could it be otherwise?
 
taylors lovechild said:
Emboldened by successfully conning the ref once, Cunha dived in the area again five minutes later, but that time got nothing. My issue is the consistency around where the bar is set for what is considered enough contact for a penalty. We've seen repeatedly this season players get tripped, pulled and pushed in the area only to hear the commentator and pundits say "there's not enough contact there for a penalty", yet yesterday it was deemed that Lacroix simply having his hand on Cunha's shoulder was enough. He doesn't pull him. It's the equivalent of your boss coming up behind you at work while you're walking down the corridor; imagine if you fell to the floor when he placed a hand on your shoulder.

United were diving and making a meal out of every bit of contact to quite an embarrassing degree, but I did think we were fortunate against Wolves last week when they got a soft red, so I guess these things balance out. I had begun to feel a bit sorry for United and Maguire because they'd become such an embarrassment, but after yesterday, I can at least go back to hating them as much as Liverpool.
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Last week Whartons foul for Wolves penalty was far worse than Lacroix's yesterday. Their player was clear on goal, centre of the area, but no red card and Wolves were punished for their player kicking the ball away.
It's all swings and roundabouts with these decisions, but I think we all know, that if Whartons tackle was on a top 6 side, he would of been sent off.
 
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Wow -
I was watching the game in a bar in Malta yesterday, Red & Blue glasses firmly in place (wearing my lucky red / blue underpants) & a few beers deep by the time of the incident, so whilst outraged by it I probably wasn't in the best frame of mind to view it impartially but wow if VAR had access to that view (as they must have done) how they arrived at those decisions is beyond me -
 
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