Our present squad

[ASCPFC]

I’d rather throw £100k a week at Curtis Jones than Kamada.

You can throw it at me if you like.
I'm pretty good at catching too.

 

[CPFCSaturn]

Value is indeed relative, but cannot be assessed only in the context of other poor-value players. Go back to that earlier link I posted. If its even vaguely correct then Kamada is on three times what Wharton is on. Five times Devenny who, average though he himself is, would do not much worse in centre mid than Kamada in my view. Kamadas wage is getting on for twice what Mateta, Hughes, Richards, Michell, reportedly get. Half again what Lerma, Sarr, and Munoz get. Most of these significantly outperform him.

In that relative context, Kamada is very poor value for wages.

It also shows that the idea we could attract a better player than Kamada for half his wage is far from unrealistic. We have examples in our squad.

I am not suggesting we replace Kamada with a cheap option just to save the wages. I am suggesting we get better value. Happy for Palace to give someone £105k pw if they can afford it, and if he is worth that wage. Kamada hasn't been, and I would be very surprised if anyone in a serious league offered him that sort of money come the summer.

Anyway, this has been an interesting discussion, so cheers

You’re comparing apples with oranges (free agents vs transfer fees) but we’re going round the houses. Yes, you can get better players than Kamada on less than £100k a week, but they’ll always command a chunky transfer fee, and absolutely nobody is signing for £30k a week.

If you think Devenny is about as good as Kamada, or ‘not much worse’, I think we’re living on different planets.

 

[Eaglecoops]

With regard to Kamada’s salary it was almost certainly based on the fact that he was a free transfer so £10m for 2 years, but nothing back of course when he goes again.

I don’t mind a couple of players like that on the squad provided their wage doesn’t totally upset the applecart with the rest of the squad.

Do I think he’s worth £5m a season in wages, absolutely not but he’s not going to be with us next season, he’ll be with Glasner at Macclesfield.

 

[JHB]

When I assess Kamada it’s always the same. Do we look a better team with him or without him? Unequivocally after the first third of last season we have been a better team with him. Now I am not remotely saying he is at this level but in many ways it’s like when Deschaps played for France. Was he anywhere near as eye catching as the other players? No. Was he a critical cog in the machine? absolutely.

For me it’s no coincidence the defence, wing backs and Wharton all looked better when Kamada was in and worse when he wasn’t. Sometimes you have to have a player who creates conditions for other players to do things that let them be at their best. Kamada is one of those players

 

[Elphers40]

I’d rather throw £100k a week at Curtis Jones than Kamada.

Or Jordan James and Hayden Hackney (at least both are goal scoring midfielders).

But I do think Kamada adds some versatility to the squad (a little bit like Shluppy did for a few seasons) and there is some value in that but I think the £100k a week is the sticking point for many.

 

[MrRobbo]

Value is indeed relative, but cannot be assessed only in the context of other poor-value players. Go back to that earlier link I posted. If its even vaguely correct then Kamada is on three times what Wharton is on. Five times Devenny who, average though he himself is, would do not much worse in centre mid than Kamada in my view. Kamadas wage is getting on for twice what Mateta, Hughes, Richards, Michell, reportedly get. Half again what Lerma, Sarr, and Munoz get. Most of these significantly outperform him.

In that relative context, Kamada is very poor value for wages.

It also shows that the idea we could attract a better player than Kamada for half his wage is far from unrealistic. We have examples in our squad.

I am not suggesting we replace Kamada with a cheap option just to save the wages. I am suggesting we get better value. Happy for Palace to give someone £105k pw if they can afford it, and if he is worth that wage. Kamada hasn't been, and I would be very surprised if anyone in a serious league offered him that sort of money come the summer.

Anyway, this has been an interesting discussion, so cheers.

But wages aren't set on performance. Perceived value at point of signing the contract.

Kamada had a renewal offer on the table from Lazio after having played a full season for them. Most of the others mentioned were youths, or sat in the reserves somewhere.

 

[sprites]

When I assess Kamada it’s always the same. Do we look a better team with him or without him? Unequivocally after the first third of last season we have been a better team with him. Now I am not remotely saying he is at this level but in many ways it’s like when Deschaps played for France. Was he anywhere near as eye catching as the other players? No. Was he a critical cog in the machine? absolutely.

For me it’s no coincidence the defence, wing backs and Wharton all looked better when Kamada was in and worse when he wasn’t. Sometimes you have to have a player who creates conditions for other players to do things that let them be at their best. Kamada is one of those players

Again, it's just not true.

His absence has conveniently coincided with the absence of our two most important players - Sarr and Munoz - plus the woeful form of our only fit striker. And the loss of our captain. And the disruption caused by a wantaway manager. So in that sense, it is absolutely what you claim it is not - a coincidence.

Anyway, these forums are all about opinions. I respect yours.

 

[Mystic Smeg]

Again, it's just not true.

His absence has conveniently coincided with the absence of our two most important players - Sarr and Munoz - plus the woeful form of our only fit striker. And the loss of our captain. And the disruption caused by a wantaway manager. So in that sense, it is absolutely what you claim it is not - a coincidence.

Anyway, these forums are all about opinions. I respect yours.

Clueless mate....just my opinion though

Daichi has been quality over the last year

 

[sprites]

Clueless mate....just my opinion though

Daichi has been quality over the last year

Yeah, so we're just never going to agree on that. So let's save ourselves the energy.

 

[NMPalace]

I wouldn't say its pedantic, its factual. He's never played a wide role. Liturally never.

The normal, universally understood 10, is a central attacking midfielder. We dont play with one of those, we play with 2 wide forwards, that Glasner, for some reason calls wide 10's. They are not chalk dust wingers, but they are not central players. They have completely different playing characteristics (would anyone play Sarr in CM?!)

Its turned into a bit of a silly debate, most fans think he's next to useless. But will concede that he was good in the biggest game in our history. Our manager clearly disagrees and starts him when available. Historically he's been starting in every team he's ever been at.

They think he cant pass, cant tackle, doesnt run and is paid too much and cant wait to see the back of him.

I suspect if we drew a Venn diagram, they would also be the ones that wrote JP off, wanted Glasner sacked have written Pino off, will write Johnson off within a couple of games, and generally have absolutely no patience. Expect ever player to be perfect every game.

you never give up do you, have to be right.

You also contradict yourself repeatedly. Our No10s are not wingers, and then you state as fact that he has never played out wide. Not sure if you are defending or criticising Kamada now - and not sure i care. Did Eze ever hug the left touchline like Wilf? No he was always moving in field.

A couple of observations - players can play in more than one position and move during games so i wouldn't get over worked up on where they have/haven't played previously. If they play in an advanced role they should be comfortable receiving the ball on the left or right or in the middle in an advanced role.

Also, before we signed him OG would have sat down and explained our formation (which never changes) and where he wanted Kamada to fit in. The same with Pino, which is why i find it frustrating when you state that he played right wing in Spain.

 

[MrRobbo]

you never give up do you, have to be right.

You also contradict yourself repeatedly. Our No10s are not wingers, and then you state as fact that he has never played out wide. Not sure if you are defending or criticising Kamada now - and not sure i care. Did Eze ever hug the left touchline like Wilf? No he was always moving in field.

A couple of observations - players can play in more than one position and move during games so i wouldn't get over worked up on where they have/haven't played previously. If they play in an advanced role they should be comfortable receiving the ball on the left or right or in the middle in an advanced role.

Also, before we signed him OG would have sat down and explained our formation (which never changes) and where he wanted Kamada to fit in. The same with Pino, which is why i find it frustrating when you state that he played right wing in Spain.

I'm not sure I am.

All I'm saying is that our wide forwards (what OG calls wide 10's). Dont play like traditional 10s.

And Kamada, has only ever played centrally.

So I'm not sure how anyone would think that Kamada was bought to play that role.

The fact that he has is more of a function of our squad depth.

 

[fitzy]

Take a look at this video, 'youtube the fast show even better'
https://share.google/a3SmaUv4uBzXFWoda

I was having a think about our squad purchasing strategy , which at the moment seems to be solely based on who’s available, not who we need-Strand Larsen fair enough with Matetas nonsense. Whether its with a view to the new manager coming in or immediate desperation up front, i find it maddening that we have Johnson, Pino and possibly Guessand who would prefer to play the right 10.Over the years when we do splash the cash theres this square peg round hole crap.
play them where they played when you wanted to buy them rather than some pointless conversion.
The just having to have Nketiah scenario many have already pointed out -nuts. Anyway its always been if we need a right back we sign a left winger instead or another goalie if we dont have a recognised striker.
The problems probably the bloke in the clip is still on our payroll.
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[PatrickA]

Rak Saki, Esse and Imray all on the bench today in Championship games.
Not even trusted at that level.
Even poor Joel Ward can't get a game at Swansea!
Ozoh seems to be doing ok at Swansea.

I remember Roy being asked about youngsters a few years ago when we supposedly had a very promising group.
He bluntly said that he only had real hopes for Mitchell.
It has to be acknowledged that he's the last one to have broken through too at least for Palace.
It's a rarity although I'm sure we'd all love to see another Wilf, Moses or Clyne emerge.
I'm by no means an expert on our junior teams, but it looks like Drakes Thomas has at least a bit of a chance although he's still very young.

 

[PatrickA]

Rak Saki, Esse and Imray all on the bench today in Championship games.
Not even trusted at that level.
Even poor Joel Ward can't get a game at Swansea!
Ozoh seems to be doing ok at Swansea.

I remember Roy being asked about youngsters a few years ago when we supposedly had a very promising group.
He bluntly said that he only had real hopes for Mitchell.
It has to be acknowledged that he's the last one to have broken through too at least for Palace.
It's a rarity although I'm sure we'd all love to see another Wilf, Moses or Clyne emerge.
I'm by no means an expert on our junior teams, but it looks like Drakes Thomas has at least a bit of a chance although he's still very young.

I meant Ozoh at Derby