Next Manager?

Norbury Old Git said:
Are you a Palace fan?
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could be a Brighton Troll. He seems to be on a wind-up
Norbury Old Git said:
Big Sam saved us from relegation, turned the team around,
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correct
Norbury Old Git said:
. Most fans regretted his decision to leave and blamed Parish for lack of investment. If you weren’t around when Sam was manager please do some proper research before making remarks such as these.
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also correct, echoed with both Pulis and Glasner.
 
kingdowieonthewall said:
remember how awful his 'Boro team were(pre-england)
terrible.
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In Middlesbrough's 1st season under Southgate, the team finished 12th in the PL.
In the previous season under McClaren they ended the season in 14th position.
In Southgate's 2nd season, Middlesbrough finished 12th again but in the next season they ended in 19th place and were relegated to the Championship.
In the following season in the Championship, Southgate was dismissed after 13th games and this was somewhat controversial as the club were 4th only 1 point behind the leaders.
 
Dip said:
However you define woke I'll support any manager that will man-manage our very positively diverse squad through these difficult times, by treating everyone with the same respect you'd expect at work and in society,utilising their high IQ and EQ to communicate their vision, drive a winning mentality and achieve the results we all want to see.
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Brilliant response.
 
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I have a funny feeling OG will sign a new contract due to the lack of offers for a better job (teams wary of his temparament etc). And it will be promoted as a Parish & OG rekindled love in after winning the Conference and finishing 12th (again).
 
martinelliff said:
I have a funny feeling OG will sign a new contract due to the lack of offers for a better job (teams wary of his temparament etc). And it will be promoted as a Parish & OG rekindled love in after winning the Conference and finishing 12th (again).
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Would anything be a surprise? Might have a fiver on it being Bernie Clifton galloping up & down the touchline on his ostrich.
 
I've been checking the top ten odds for our new manager via Paddypower. I've put them in order of win %

Schmidt - 59.2% (7/1),
Rodgers - 53.98% (14/1)
Fonseca - 53.69% (12/1)
McKenna - 47.06% (10/1)
Cooper - 46.98% (14/1)
Bordalas - 46.14% (3/1)
Martinez - 45.8% (10/1)
Frank - 44.39% (12/1)
Lampard - 43.89% (10/1)
Southgate - 43.79% (5/1)

OG is currently on 47.39%

Southgate's figures are hugely inflated by his stint as England manager.
 
TheBigToePunt said:
In considering who the next manager should be Palace will (as ever) be subject to a familiar tension. On one hand, if we seek a manager who accepts, and is suited to working within, all the clubs limitations then we will probably end up with a lesser coach and more anti-football. If, on the other hand, we manage to attract someone with a more impressive pedigree then sooner or later they will bristle and chafe against those limitations, as and when they arise. Which they inevitably will.

Whoever turns up will absolutely not have as good a set of players as Glasner got. We have just had a purple patch where several promising but unproven (mostly younger) players all came to the boil at around the same time, and exceeded any reasonable hopes we might have had.

To be clear: the next manager will not be working with the next Bayern Munich and France No10, the next Arsenal No10, the England centre back and target for Liverpool, Man City etc... Whatever transfers we pursue, the dice just will not come up double-sixes everywhere like that again.

At the same time, there is still some quality there. Moreover, the investment in Nketiah and Johnson MUST be made to bear fruit. Much the same could be said of Pino. Perhaps Canvot, too. Whilst every signing is a risk and a certain number will always fail, we cannot sign players at their ages for that much money and not get the most out of them. That suggests we go for a coach who picks his system based on the players we have, not one who has a system we need to sign players for. Both Palace and Glasner got lucky that what we had fitted his methods (once Munoz arrived). Surely, question number one at the interview is 'How will you get the best out of what we have already?' not 'Who do you need us to sign?'.

In terms of the status of the manager we pursue, Parish has shown plenty of ambition before. Its easy to forget that he pushed the boat out to get De Boer (which was all very exciting at the time) specifically to play more positive football, and to have a high-calibre coach. He was prepared to pay big money for Nuno. He pays big money for Glasner, including getting him in earlier than planned. He obviously does not see Palace as limited to unfashionable old-school dinosaurs, he just reverts to them when needed. He has also never appointed from within before. All of this suggests that while we won't get anyone with serious top-level pedigree, we will perhaps be looking for someone who could get to that level.

Personality-wise, I see no reason why Parish should want to find a yes-man. A good coach will doubtless come with a bit of ego. Parish has handled most of our managers well, including Glasner recently, and will probably be willing to take some rough with the smooth if it allows him to squeeze the very most out of the appointment. At the same time, we cannot have a big baby throwing toys out of his pram from day one. Club unity is a big part of our success. The new man must respect that, and keep his concerns in-house.

That is possible. Look at the Bournemouth coach. He builds a really good side, does well, then sees the club sell his whole back four in one go. He must have been gutted, but he just got on with it. He gets the team going again, and the club sells his best attacker in January. Again, he just gets on with it. No public bleating. Emery at Villa has started to moan a bit recently but mostly he has just got on with it, even when he got Villa into the Champions League only to find they still had to sell players and not really strengthen. I'm sure he was fuming. I'm sure both managers are asking themselves if its time to move onwards and upwards, but they channel that into doing a great job. That's what we need.

Fans may choose to totally ignore reality, to blind themselves to any and all understanding of FFP, PSR, finance, the nature of football economics etc, and instead insist on 'ambition' and the next level etc. I find it hard to respect, but I suppose they have the right, its only football after all. The club, however, must live in the real world.

Palace will never be able to provide, and certainly not keep, a squad good enough to play in Europe regularly. We will probably be a short-term 'project' for someone, a shop window, a chance to do well enough to be on the big boys radars before moving on and up. That's what we are to players, and it allows us to get very good ones sometimes.

I imagine we will approach the managers position in the same way. They don't need to run the club, just pick the team and coach it. In that way, it doesn't matter so much if they only stay for two years or so.
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Very realistic and sobering post. As annoying as most of this season has been (European trips aside) in my head we completed modern football last season by beating Man City and Liverpool to win our first 2 major honours. If this is the price to pay for that, I'm comfortable with it. We will get a new manager once Glasner leaves (maybe having even won us a third trophy) and then we will start the process of getting to 40 points again asap like in the other 13 premier league seasons.

As you say the new manager, whoever that turns out to be, won't have quite as good a squad to work with, but hopefully it will be good enough for the odd surprise still. I'm nearly skint now anyway having been to Norway, Poland, France and Dublin this season, with the chance of up to 5 more trips to come. We only need to stay in the greed league and keep winning the European competitions anyway. It's not much to ask of the manager is it.
 
It's all about branding... for want of a better word.

We are south London, gritty under dogs, unearth a few gems, we push forward and sometimes... just sometimes, we get lucky.

Our goal needs to be getting to 40 points in record time each year, with the ambition of 50 points.

We need a manager who's up for that and remembers that.

We go out there, play good football, we enjoy mid table of the prem.

We need a positive manager who gets the best out of the players.

I want us to forget about competing top 8, or thinking we are in that category.. we aren't and that's ok.

It's about the journey... not destination.
 
elgin eeagle said:
Very realistic and sobering post. As annoying as most of this season has been (European trips aside) in my head we completed modern football last season by beating Man City and Liverpool to win our first 2 major honours. If this is the price to pay for that, I'm comfortable with it. We will get a new manager once Glasner leaves (maybe having even won us a third trophy) and then we will start the process of getting to 40 points again asap like in the other 13 premier league seasons.

As you say the new manager, whoever that turns out to be, won't have quite as good a squad to work with, but hopefully it will be good enough for the odd surprise still. I'm nearly skint now anyway having been to Norway, Poland, France and Dublin this season, with the chance of up to 5 more trips to come. We only need to stay in the greed league and keep winning the European competitions anyway. It's not much to ask of the manager is it.
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Might not be as good as when Glasner took over, but is 100% better than it was when Roy took over.

We're still moving forwards.

This season is one of rebuild and resetting. Come the start of next season, a couple of the kids, Canvot Riad will have a bunch more experience, and the imports would have had a little more time to acclimatise.
I really think that with 1 or 2 of the right signings in the summer, we'll be a force next year.
 
MrRobbo said:
Might not be as good as when Glasner took over, but is 100% better than it was when Roy took over.

We're still moving forwards.

This season is one of rebuild and resetting. Come the start of next season, a couple of the kids, Canvot Riad will have a bunch more experience, and the imports would have had a little more time to acclimatise.
I really think that with 1 or 2 of the right signings in the summer, we'll be a force next year.
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That's a really positive outlook Teddy and not one I consider to be too fanciful.

All jokes aside, PL survival is my only hope for this year. Before that however, I'd just like to see us win a game. It still feels as though we will not do so again this season.
 
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