Glasner Out

[JHB]

Well yeah that’s a gimme to ‘field’ your strongest team, But when you are only a goal behind 20 odd minutes left, and have players on the bench that may ( or may not granted) change the game. Your on pitch players are tired what do you do. Yup that’s right leave the tired players on to get more tired and carry on with the same old thing !

The whole Sunderland thing was pretty unforgivable really. Do a press conference the day before where you announce you are leaving. Some sources say he did this without telling the club he was going to.

Rock up to Sunderland and refuse to make any subs in a game you could get a point from. Do a further press conference where you implicitly tell a lot of the squad the are rubbish, attack the board and say you don’t care if you get sacked. Have the hypocrisy to blame the board for destabilising the team by selling a player before a match when you’ve just destabilised the whole club by saying you are leaving.

I still think that was all an attempt to get sacked. I want people at the club who care about Palace doing as well as we can. That whole debacle showed me OG isn’t one of those people

 

[cryrst]

The whole Sunderland thing was pretty unforgivable really. Do a press conference the day before where you announce you are leaving. Some sources say he did this without telling the club he was going to.

Rock up to Sunderland and refuse to make any subs in a game you could get a point from. Do a further press conference where you implicitly tell a lot of the squad the are rubbish, attack the board and say you don’t care if you get sacked. Have the hypocrisy to blame the board for destabilising the team by selling a player before a match when you’ve just destabilised the whole club by saying you are leaving.

I still think that was all an attempt to get sacked. I want people at the club who care about Palace doing as well as we can. That whole debacle showed me OG isn’t one of those people

Re Sunderland he would have been cleverer to put 3 or 4 on the pitch and we get gubbed. There is the proof about the lack of quality. Without even attempting a change is very poor and pretty dim for someone assumed so learned.
Albeit on Sunday he brings on Uche and sosa and they both give a decent show.!
I don’t get it tbh. S P has called his bluff and fair play. If we lose the next 2 though there is no way he stays.

 

[Palacesince64]

Interestingly and true to type in his latest interview he back tracked on the criticism and admitted he had an extreme emotional response to being told Guehi was going before the Sunderland game. Even admitted he has a tendency to react emotionally and recognise afterwards that it’s not the wisest thing. Ive no idea what he was like as a player and whether he was fiery and prone to red cards but I still think he has control problems since his head injury. When things are going well he appears very calm and sensible. Whether he can control his emotions and make sensible decisions in the stress of a relegation battle will determine his ability to stay in the job til the end of the season.

 

[doombear]

Well yeah that’s a gimme to ‘field’ your strongest team, But when you are only a goal behind 20 odd minutes left, and have players on the bench that may ( or may not granted) change the game. Your on pitch players are tired what do you do. Yup that’s right leave the tired players on to get more tired and carry on with the same old thing !

Which is what OG has been doing all season - not just recently. Even when he had a reasonably strong bench he was still reluctant to give bench players more than a few minutes.

 

[Lanzo-Ad]

I think the main issue with Glasner has been the lack of clarity over whether he was staying. Even Lanzo wanted him to sign a new deal at the end of December. Now we know he's leaving he has to get results as there is no longer any future for him at the club, regardless of whether people think he is a good manager or not. The Chelsea result was probably to be expected, but the next four games you would have to say that 6 points is the minimum expectation. Get 7 or more and we're basically safe. Get 3 or fewer and we're in a relegation scrap and I think Parish might be forced to act. Weirdly, we're actually 4 points better off at this stage of the season than we were last season, even if it doesn't feel like it right now.

I did, some stability, and i was under the impression, as OG said that there were going to have negotiations in late January, not knowing the decision had been made in October.

 

[HKOwen]

The whole Sunderland thing was pretty unforgivable really. Do a press conference the day before where you announce you are leaving. Some sources say he did this without telling the club he was going to.

Rock up to Sunderland and refuse to make any subs in a game you could get a point from. Do a further press conference where you implicitly tell a lot of the squad the are rubbish, attack the board and say you don’t care if you get sacked. Have the hypocrisy to blame the board for destabilising the team by selling a player before a match when you’ve just destabilised the whole club by saying you are leaving.

I still think that was all an attempt to get sacked. I want people at the club who care about Palace doing as well as we can. That whole debacle showed me OG isn’t one of those people

OG has always had a policy of only making tactical subs if he thinks they can positively impact the game. You seem to be suggesting he deliberately made no subs in an effort to be sacked and did not care about the result of the game

 

[JHB]

OG has always had a policy of only making tactical subs if he thinks they can positively impact the game. You seem to be suggesting he deliberately made no subs in an effort to be sacked and did not care about the result of the game

I think not making any subs, complaining about the board publicly and basically saying he didn’t care anymore was pretty much him trying to get sacked yes.

Straight from the Amorim and Maresca playbook.

tactically it was clear we needed fresh legs on and an injection of energy to try and get a goal. So yes I think in that game he cared less about the result than making a point. I think he thought he was going to engineer getting fired so just wanted to control the narrative. I imagine it was quite a surprise when the club told him to get on with his job.

 

[PatrickA]

I doubt we’ll ever get the true story on the background to this.
What we do know is that Glasner said he had informed Parish that he would not be extending his contract back in October.

Notwithstanding this both parties gave the impression that discussions were ongoing, presumably to avoid Glasner’s leaving announcement being a distraction for the remainder of the season.
Glasner recently said he wanted to make the announcement in December , but decided that he wouldn’t because it would be thought that he was unhappy with transfer plans and that’s why he was going.
This doesn’t make sense to me as surely his unhappiness over the window would only have emerged in January.
All and all a confused picture , but clearly neither Glasner nor Parish have been entirely straight with the fans.

With regard to Glasner, I thought that he was excellent until the last couple of months - that might sound obvious given our recent results , but I’ll expand.
To my mind the best managers look at their available resources and devise the most appropriate formation to maximise the resources.
With Glasner it seems to be about system first and then players afterwards and simply it hasn’t worked when the players necessary to execute the system haven’t been available.

Terry Venables as a coach used to work on 3 different formations for his team to be able to switch effortlessly during matches if the need arose.
He would even work on formations if his teams or the opposition were reduced to 10 men.
For a details man I just don’t know why Glasner doesn’t demonstrate more flexibility.
Even an inflexible coach like Hodgson occasionally innovated or improvised e,g using Townsend and Zaha as twin strikers when we had no centre forward available, sacrificing his low defensive block when he had PVA, Loftus Cheek and Zaha devastating teams down our left with rapid passing and interchanges.

 

[park the bus]

I doubt we’ll ever get the true story on the background to this.
What we do know is that Glasner said he had informed Parish that he would not be extending his contract back in October.

Notwithstanding this both parties gave the impression that discussions were ongoing, presumably to avoid Glasner’s leaving announcement being a distraction for the remainder of the season.
Glasner recently said he wanted to make the announcement in December , but decided that he wouldn’t because it would be thought that he was unhappy with transfer plans and that’s why he was going.
This doesn’t make sense to me as surely his unhappiness over the window would only have emerged in January.
All and all a confused picture , but clearly neither Glasner nor Parish have been entirely straight with the fans.

With regard to Glasner, I thought that he was excellent until the last couple of months - that might sound obvious given our recent results , but I’ll expand.
To my mind the best managers look at their available resources and devise the most appropriate formation to maximise the resources.
With Glasner it seems to be about system first and then players afterwards and simply it hasn’t worked when the players necessary to execute the system haven’t been available.

Terry Venables as a coach used to work on 3 different formations for his team to be able to switch effortlessly during matches if the need arose.
He would even work on formations if his teams or the opposition were reduced to 10 men.
For a details man I just don’t know why Glasner doesn’t demonstrate more flexibility.
Even an inflexible coach like Hodgson occasionally innovated or improvised e,g using Townsend and Zaha as twin strikers when we had no centre forward available, sacrificing his low defensive block when he had PVA, Loftus Cheek and Zaha devastating teams down our left with rapid passing and interchanges.

It's all about me me me!

 

[NEILLO]

Well yeah that’s a gimme to ‘field’ your strongest team, But when you are only a goal behind 20 odd minutes left, and have players on the bench that may ( or may not granted) change the game. Your on pitch players are tired what do you do. Yup that’s right leave the tired players on to get more tired and carry on with the same old thing !

You specifically referred to Marc Guehi and that's what I responded to.

 

[NMPalace]

I think not making any subs, complaining about the board publicly and basically saying he didn’t care anymore was pretty much him trying to get sacked yes.

Straight from the Amorim and Maresca playbook.

tactically it was clear we needed fresh legs on and an injection of energy to try and get a goal. So yes I think in that game he cared less about the result than making a point. I think he thought he was going to engineer getting fired so just wanted to control the narrative. I imagine it was quite a surprise when the club told him to get on with his job.

spot on. The bench was weak but he had Uche, who has come on most games, as he did on Sunday so to not bring him on, even for the last 10 minutes, was clearly a deliberate ploy.

Anyway, we are where we are.

Going forward a warm weather training camp should be sorted, as it was when OG first arrived. The only obvious slot is the 4th round cup weekend, although unfortunately we have a midweek game v Burnley the Wed before. A Thursday/Friday to say Tuesday trip to Portugal or Southern Spain could benefit the team.

OG is not suddenly a bad manager and when all fit the team has a lot of quality.

 

[eaglesdare]

If we had signed glasner instead of viera a few years back do we think he would have benched the likes of Olise, Eze, gueih, gallagher? The way he doesn't play, uche, esse and canvot?

He seems to prefer established players rather than bringing in young players like our model and playing them?

Although he did play Wharton.

 

[NEILLO]

If we had signed glasner instead of viera a few years back do we think he would have benched the likes of Olise, Eze, gueih, gallagher? The way he doesn't play, uche, esse and canvot?

He seems to prefer established players rather than bringing in young players like our model and playing them?

Although he did play Wharton.

No

 

[eaglesdare]

No

Ok 😂

 

[est1905]

According to the club's match stats we had more shots on target than them too, my bad...

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Odd, Sky reported we had hardly any shots on target at all and only a couple on target. But If I'm honest, stats dont really float my boat anyway. The only stat I care about is how many goals we score compared to the opposition.

 

[est1905]

We somehow, and surprisingly, win at Nottm Forest and Glasner will be back in favour with many of his detractors.
Another defeat and the 'Anti-Glasner' element of our support will increase in size.

I know a die hard Forest fan very well. He and his fellow fans/mates are unanimous in their opinion of Dyche since he has been there.
The key to beating Forest is we MUST score first. He cannot chase a game and rarely finds a way back in. IF however Forest score first we could well be done for. Dyche is a master at shutting up shop and seeing out the 1 0 win.

 

[est1905]

I think parts of performances have been awful.

In most games we've been pretty good for decent periods of time. Clearly we are not 100%, but we're not a million miles off.

Even on Sunday, if JP had scored that early chance it might have been a different game

I have used that line literally over ten times this season. The guy needs 5 or 6 chances to score 1 goal. Its fine when you have Olise, Eze, Sarr, Munoz and Mitchell creating 20 to 30 chances per game but when those player are not available JPM gets found out big time.

 

[Joseph Paxton]

We have got to page 101 of this thread...In the great tradition of HOL we should have had a concurrent Glasner IN thread with the 2 threads ambling about a bit before being merged and then some well-timed wit calling out the lack of consensus with the sharply punctual and time-worn "Hokey Cokey" post.

However, I do believe that such is the contentious nature of Herr Glasner's (is he in or out?) putative departure that there is much mileage left in this thread and it may run until May, even if JP is flogged this window. I claim to be no seer mind you but may take bets on what page we finish on.

 

[eritheagle]

I know a die hard Forest fan very well. He and his fellow fans/mates are unanimous in their opinion of Dyche since he has been there.
The key to beating Forest is we MUST score first. He cannot chase a game and rarely finds a way back in. IF however Forest score first we could well be done for. Dyche is a master at shutting up shop and seeing out the 1 0 win.

He went ages at Burnley before his team came from behind to win a game, but he did do it with Everton against us last season!!

 

[crvenaeagle]

I have used that line literally over ten times this season. The guy needs 5 or 6 chances to score 1 goal. Its fine when you have Olise, Eze, Sarr, Munoz and Mitchell creating 20 to 30 chances per game but when those player are not available JPM gets found out big time.

I couldn't believe how slow he looked running in on goal.bhe was never fast but that chance in Sunday, he looked like he was running through water.