Glasner Out

Like most people, I have been disappointed with Glasners conduct over the last couple of weeks.

I don't think he's daft enough not to know where Palace sit financially. And I'm sure that there would have been transparency from Parish when he was recruiting Glasner.

When we get to the figures you quote it tells a different story. A net of -£5m spend is more about breaking financially even than backing the manager in the market.

I think you are missing Glasners point when it comes to the sales of Eze and Guehi. His issue is with the timing of those sales not the sales themselves. He said it himself the other day - Guehi will leave when the club receive an acceptable offer. What annoyed him was the fact he was preparing Guehi for the Sunderland game without being told that the transfer had been agreed and that Marc was no longer available.

The young players you mention - Rak-Sakyi and Esse haven't done enough, from what I've seen of them, to merit much more than the opportunities they've had. Jessie Derry hasn't featured for Chelsea despite, according to him, providing a clearer pathway to first team football. Roy used to get criticised for not giving young players a chance.

You say that Glasner had a '' major say '' in signings. Define that - because I read the reports back in August that Parish wanted Pino and Glasner didn't. The fact is that we don't know to what extent Glasner is involved.

Which brings us to Johnson. How much input would there have been from a manager that verbally handed his notice in 3 months ago ? If you were Parish how much value do you place in his opinion ?

In terms of tactics, I dispute that the set piece defending has been bad all season. That it has been of late is undeniable. As for Macclesfield, tactics shouldn't really come into it. We should have been able to put any permutation of our squad out there and won the game.

Ultimately though, I have come to the view that Glasner should go now. But on Palace's terms not his.
Sorry but I missed that opinion poll - link?

Whilst the results haven't gone our way esp. Macclesfield FC and a couple of the Conference League sides, it is obvious that last summer's transfer window was underwhelming (courtesy of seemingly prioritising attention towards Europa League court battle) and we have a squad that does lack depth to compete across ALL formats. When we are having to field 16 year olds (irrespective of their emerging talent) into key games due to increasing number of injuries as well as player exhaustion, then there is something wrong in the preparation for this arguably defining season given the fresh opportunities for development presented to Glasner and club courtesy of FA cup win.
 
Having had time to process the events of the last few days, I'm struggling to understand how Glasner can continue to have a working relationship with both Parish and the players.

We have of course only heard one side of the story to date.

But I question whether Parish really wants Glasner to stay or if he's just forcing his hand into resigning to avoid sacking him and paying him off.
It's a valid question.
By all accounts it was Matt Hobbs who had the discussions with Glasner yesterday which led to the story about Glasner continuing for the season.
It could be that Parish is reserving his position for the time being.
With Glasner announcing he is leaving this season it could lead to a drop off in performances.
Mind you, the players couldn't use this excuse for the debacle at Macclesfield as it was before the Glasner announcement.
Much will depend on the performances and results in the coming weeks.

If we continue as in recent weeks I see Glasner going, but my suspicion (and hope) is that we'll see an improvement as key players return.
 
Sorry but I missed that opinion poll - link?

Whilst the results haven't gone our way esp. Macclesfield FC and a couple of the Conference League sides, it is obvious that last summer's transfer window was underwhelming (courtesy of seemingly prioritising attention towards Europa League court battle) and we have a squad that does lack depth to compete across ALL formats. When we are having to field 16 year olds (irrespective of their emerging talent) into key games due to increasing number of injuries as well as player exhaustion, then there is something wrong in the preparation for this arguably defining season given the fresh opportunities for development presented to Glasner and club courtesy of FA cup win.
Just take my word for it
 
It's a valid question.
By all accounts it was Matt Hobbs who had the discussions with Glasner yesterday which led to the story about Glasner continuing for the season.
It could be that Parish is reserving his position for the time being.
With Glasner announcing he is leaving this season it could lead to a drop off in performances.
Mind you, the players couldn't use this excuse for the debacle at Macclesfield as it was before the Glasner announcement.
Much will depend on the performances and results in the coming weeks.

If we continue as in recent weeks I see Glasner going, but my suspicion (and hope) is that we'll see an improvement as key players return.
This is exactly how I see it
 
Like most people, I have been disappointed with Glasners conduct over the last couple of weeks.

I don't think he's daft enough not to know where Palace sit financially. And I'm sure that there would have been transparency from Parish when he was recruiting Glasner.

When we get to the figures you quote it tells a different story. A net of -£5m spend is more about breaking financially even than backing the manager in the market.

I think you are missing Glasners point when it comes to the sales of Eze and Guehi. His issue is with the timing of those sales not the sales themselves. He said it himself the other day - Guehi will leave when the club receive an acceptable offer. What annoyed him was the fact he was preparing Guehi for the Sunderland game without being told that the transfer had been agreed and that Marc was no longer available.

The young players you mention - Rak-Sakyi and Esse haven't done enough, from what I've seen of them, to merit much more than the opportunities they've had. Jessie Derry hasn't featured for Chelsea despite, according to him, providing a clearer pathway to first team football. Roy used to get criticised for not giving young players a chance.

You say that Glasner had a '' major say '' in signings. Define that - because I read the reports back in August that Parish wanted Pino and Glasner didn't. The fact is that we don't know to what extent Glasner is involved.

Which brings us to Johnson. How much input would there have been from a manager that verbally handed his notice in 3 months ago ? If you were Parish how much value do you place in his opinion ?

In terms of tactics, I dispute that the set piece defending has been bad all season. That it has been of late is undeniable. As for Macclesfield, tactics shouldn't really come into it. We should have been able to put any permutation of our squad out there and won the game.

Ultimately though, I have come to the view that Glasner should go now. But on Palace's terms not his.
It would appear that this view is prevalent amongst our supporters.
How the mighty have fallen !
The media highlight the achievements in lifting the FA Cup, winning the Community Shield, our participation in the Conference League and our long unbeaten run. Of course these are worthy of plaudits and brought us all great joy.
On the 'Flip side', this season we have only won 4 out of 16 games at home (All competitions), we have only won 2 out of 11 home games in the League and we have been eliminated by Macclesfield.
The ecstasy and the agony.
 
Now I think Textor has some responsibility. He had a different philosophy to other Board members, and he played a significant part in securing Glasner. I think after Textor went, some of the promises to Glasner went with him.
I'd like to think that communication was always there with the Board. Glasner has indicated they talk all the time.
Now I'm struggling to see how Palace got to this point.
 
Like most people, I have been disappointed with Glasners conduct over the last couple of weeks.

I don't think he's daft enough not to know where Palace sit financially. And I'm sure that there would have been transparency from Parish when he was recruiting Glasner.

When we get to the figures you quote it tells a different story. A net of -£5m spend is more about breaking financially even than backing the manager in the market.

I think you are missing Glasners point when it comes to the sales of Eze and Guehi. His issue is with the timing of those sales not the sales themselves. He said it himself the other day - Guehi will leave when the club receive an acceptable offer. What annoyed him was the fact he was preparing Guehi for the Sunderland game without being told that the transfer had been agreed and that Marc was no longer available.

The young players you mention - Rak-Sakyi and Esse haven't done enough, from what I've seen of them, to merit much more than the opportunities they've had. Jessie Derry hasn't featured for Chelsea despite, according to him, providing a clearer pathway to first team football. Roy used to get criticised for not giving young players a chance.

You say that Glasner had a '' major say '' in signings. Define that - because I read the reports back in August that Parish wanted Pino and Glasner didn't. The fact is that we don't know to what extent Glasner is involved.

Which brings us to Johnson. How much input would there have been from a manager that verbally handed his notice in 3 months ago ? If you were Parish how much value do you place in his opinion ?

In terms of tactics, I dispute that the set piece defending has been bad all season. That it has been of late is undeniable. As for Macclesfield, tactics shouldn't really come into it. We should have been able to put any permutation of our squad out there and won the game.

Ultimately though, I have come to the view that Glasner should go now. But on Palace's terms not his.
I agree with you on the final conclusion, he should go now, but on Palace’s terms, not his.

Where I differ is on the idea that the figures “tell a different story”. A net spend of roughly £5m at a club like Palace is backing the manager in relative terms. We’re not a club that usually reinvests pound for pound. Historically we sell first, then replace cheaply. This time the board largely maintained the squad value and even broke our transfer record. That’s not standing still, it’s the club stretching within its means.

On Eze and Guehi, I do understand Glasner’s point about timing, but this is where his lack of realism frustrates me. At a selling club, timing isn’t always clean or ideal. Deals move fast, especially in January. If he genuinely wasn’t aware, that’s a breakdown in communication, but again, that’s not unique to Palace, and it doesn’t justify the public outbursts.

On youth, I’m not arguing that all of them should be starters. My issue is the complete lack of trust or rotation. Rak-Sakyi and Esse might not be the finished article, but Palace has always given youth exposure, minutes, and a pathway. That’s part of our identity. Roy got criticised for it, yes, but Roy never publicly distanced himself from the club or acted like development was beneath him. Glasner feels very short-term in comparison.

Regarding signings, you’re right that we don’t know the full picture. But Glasner himself has repeatedly said he was involved in recruitment discussions. He can’t on one hand say he wasn’t backed, and on the other absolve himself of responsibility when signings don’t work. Even if Parish pushed certain names, Glasner still accepted the job knowing how recruitment works here.

Johnson is actually a good example of my wider point. If Glasner had mentally checked out months ago, then his continued public criticism becomes even worse. Either he was still involved and therefore partly responsible, or he wasn’t, in which case he should have behaved professionally and kept disputes internal.

On tactics, I’ll slightly concede the set-piece point hasn’t been bad all season, but it’s been poor enough, often enough, to be a clear coaching issue. And with Macclesfield, I agree we should win regardless, but poor organisation and preparation still matters. That performance reflected a team lacking focus and clarity.
 
Gotta love Simon Jordan and his correct opinions. I had my frustrations with some of the things he did as chairman but it’s water under the bridge now and he had the balls to do it.
I actually think Jordan is the perfect person to comment on this. He clearly has no bias towards Parish - as he says, he is pained to side with him, but he largely does.
 
Among my many worries of Glasner staying, there is a huge dilemma in replacing Guehi knowing that a new manager may favour a back 4. 3-5-2 we have a desperate need for a centre back, 4-4-2 we probably want an attacking midfielder more.
 
I find it amusing that despite all this, Eddie Nketiah might well become our main striker ha ha ha! There's a challenge for the new manager right away.
Note to Steve Parish: have another look down the back of the sofa, you might have missed a few coppers.
 
I agree with you on the final conclusion, he should go now, but on Palace’s terms, not his.

Where I differ is on the idea that the figures “tell a different story”. A net spend of roughly £5m at a club like Palace is backing the manager in relative terms. We’re not a club that usually reinvests pound for pound. Historically we sell first, then replace cheaply. This time the board largely maintained the squad value and even broke our transfer record. That’s not standing still, it’s the club stretching within its means.

On Eze and Guehi, I do understand Glasner’s point about timing, but this is where his lack of realism frustrates me. At a selling club, timing isn’t always clean or ideal. Deals move fast, especially in January. If he genuinely wasn’t aware, that’s a breakdown in communication, but again, that’s not unique to Palace, and it doesn’t justify the public outbursts.

On youth, I’m not arguing that all of them should be starters. My issue is the complete lack of trust or rotation. Rak-Sakyi and Esse might not be the finished article, but Palace has always given youth exposure, minutes, and a pathway. That’s part of our identity. Roy got criticised for it, yes, but Roy never publicly distanced himself from the club or acted like development was beneath him. Glasner feels very short-term in comparison.

Regarding signings, you’re right that we don’t know the full picture. But Glasner himself has repeatedly said he was involved in recruitment discussions. He can’t on one hand say he wasn’t backed, and on the other absolve himself of responsibility when signings don’t work. Even if Parish pushed certain names, Glasner still accepted the job knowing how recruitment works here.

Johnson is actually a good example of my wider point. If Glasner had mentally checked out months ago, then his continued public criticism becomes even worse. Either he was still involved and therefore partly responsible, or he wasn’t, in which case he should have behaved professionally and kept disputes internal.

On tactics, I’ll slightly concede the set-piece point hasn’t been bad all season, but it’s been poor enough, often enough, to be a clear coaching issue. And with Macclesfield, I agree we should win regardless, but poor organisation and preparation still matters. That performance reflected a team lacking focus and clarity.
I suppose the only positive with selling Guehi on the 19th January is at least we have 12 days to sign a replacement. This is where we will see if we have replaced Dougie adequately I think.

I don't know if Glasner was consulted about the sale of Guehi or not, but it sounds like he wasn't convinced about the direction of travel at the club quite a while ago.
 
I actually think Jordan is the perfect person to comment on this. He clearly has no bias towards Parish - as he says, he is pained to side with him, but he largely does.
Come on now, he's got huge bias against Parish and if this was any other club he would be hammering the point Stu Pearce finally makes at the end that Glasner appears to be following the modern playbook of agitating and angling for a move by getting the sack.

Surprisingly Jordan makes some mistakes here about the club when he says that OG took over from Vieira which was not the case as OG was brought in early when Roy was sadly taken ill during a training session. I admire SJ's perspective fairly often as he unusually represents a Chairman's view but he slips in some digs via Textor and clearly revels in scenario, that the crown has slipped worryingly from Parish's bonce since the start of this season. He defends the sales and recruitment dealings though (Eze, Guehi) which is quite telling really.
 

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