Glasner Out

[Willo]

Intruiging. Would kitchen roll or toilet paper suffice?

I recall the days when supporters used to 'Rain' toilet rolls on to the pitch from the Holmesdale Terrace prior to the start of the game.

 

[Stansferret]

I can’t bring anything new to this thread. I’m sure that many simply feel enormously disappointed to be at this point, which feels worse when contrasted to that stellar, brief moment last year.

 

[Jacey]

Glasner,s, outburst and behaviour are unforgivable and he should do the honourable thing and resign.

Contrast his behaviour with that our highly respected and professional at all times, Captain,who behaved impeccably in challenging circumstances.

 

[mileend]

I recall the days when supporters used to 'Rain' toilet rolls on to the pitch from the Holmesdale Terrace prior to the start of the game.

The cost of living crisis has put an end to that kind of extravagant behaviour. It would be quite a sight if we were to bring it back. In someways an appropriate symbol for these challenging days at the club.

 

[TheBigToePunt]

I recall the days when supporters used to 'Rain' toilet rolls on to the pitch from the Holmesdale Terrace prior to the start of the game.

Whilst, ironically, there was never any in the actual bogs up at the top of the terrace!

 

[PatrickA]

‘The players tried everything to the end, they are leaving their heart on the pitch…I was looking at the bench just kids there….nobody with Premier League experience….if we make a substitution it’s just hope….for me I have to protect the players and they deserve that ….this is the feeling in the dressing room ….I’ve been telling the board this for months.’

Glasner’s words post Sunderland.

I may well be a lone voice , but I can’t disagree with a word of that
Surely he’s pointing out what most of you have been saying recently.
That you can’t go into Premier League games with weak benches comprising 2 goalkeepers , untried youngsters,no proven forwards, inexperienced players ( a less then fully fit Clyne is no game changer).
We also know he’s been telling the board this for months.

What is new is his statement that it’s the feeling in ‘the dressing room’ too i.e with the players so he’s reflecting their views.
Yes, he seemed emotional, but it’s often that point that truth emerges.
There’s obviously been a feeling of frustration there which has been building up for months.

In my view many are annoyed because he won’t sign a new contract with the club, which he is perfectly entitled to do.
And in the cold light of day it’s the right decision when the objectives of the manager and the ownership are so unaligned.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Whilst, ironically, there was never any in the actual bogs up at the top of the terrace!

The two are probably not unconnected and with some of our displays in those days it would have been a much needed commodity.

 

[Willo]

Whilst, ironically, there was never any in the actual bogs up at the top of the terrace!

The toilets were at the back of the 'Holmesdale' down a slope and if the weather was wet it was a challenge to keep one's footing as one 'Hot footed' to urinate or have a bowel movement.

 

[park the bus]

I wonder what Steve Parish is waiting for. Logically, in the knowledge that Glasner informed Parish that he will be leaving at the end of his term, Parish has had a couple of months to set the wheels in motion to find the correct replacement. Perhaps this is the problem, no one suitable has been identified yet, or if suitable, is unavailable or unwilling.
I find it incredible that a manager can belittle his players, shrug his shoulders and not really give a damn, yet in the same instance say he wants to stay to help the club win the Conference league, full in the knowledge that he'll be gone one way or the other. What the actual f***? Delusional.
The next couple of results and the fans' reaction will force Parish's hand I suspect. For him it's a matter of appearance and as Oliver Glasner digs his hole deeper it's all in the timing and "doing the right thing".

 

[JHB]

I wonder what Steve Parish is waiting for. Logically, in the knowledge that Glasner informed Parish that he will be leaving at the end of his term, Parish has had a couple of months to set the wheels in motion to find the correct replacement. Perhaps this is the problem, no one suitable has been identified yet, or if suitable, is unavailable or unwilling.
I find it incredible that a manager can belittle his players, shrug his shoulders and not really give a damn, yet in the same instance say he wants to stay to help the club win the Conference league, full in the knowledge that he'll be gone one way or the other. What the actual f***? Delusional.
The next couple of results and the fans reaction will force Parish's hand I suspect. For him it's a matter of appearance and as Oliver Glasner digs his hole deeper it's all in the timing and "doing the right thing".

I think Parish is doing two things.

First there is probably a genuine assessment that changing manager now won’t help much. A successor may have been identified but not be available until the summer so the board may be calculating that changing manager to an interim doesn’t really help.

Second and I expect the bigger driver is Parish is calling OG’s bluff. It looks to many observers (including neutral ones) that this is a case of OG trying to get fired. Parish is saying nope, you own this, we are not playing your game. Your job is to get results and if you can’t then good luck getting that big job you want. With Sarr and Munoz back most of OG’s excuses for our awful form disappear and then it is on him. Basically Parish saying you aren’t going to play me.

If results stay bad and we lose on Saturday, at Forest and then at Brighton I think OG will have to go based on results. But then the narrative is OG got fired for poor results not as some sort of principled stance. Quite a different story and one I don’t think OG will want.

 

[elgin eeagle]

I understand there has been a high-level meeting with The Board and the HF, over which direction to take. Many big decisions were based on the fact the next display was almost finished, so sacking Glasner would have undone a lot of good work.
There is another meeting scheduled after Sunday's game, with a view to moving the HF directly behind the dugout.
Dugout: what an apt term 😀

That would be pretty intimidating for Glasner having them surrounding him. I could see him walking before that ever happened though. Plus what would you do with all the season ticket holders that sit behind the dugouts, move them into Block E? It's never boring is it.

It's quite incredible how it has come to this so fast after winning the FA Cup and going on a 20 match unbeaten streak. Only Palace can implode like this. It does feel like the atmosphere has been poor for a while though, and a lot of that probably stems from the fact that we want people here that want to be here. Having demotivated players or a want away manager kills the mood. I think Parish has to pay him off now. He did deliver the FA Cup and the pay off won't be huge with just 4 months left on his contract surely.

 

[park the bus]

I think Parish is doing two things.

First there is probably a genuine assessment that changing manager now won’t help much. A successor may have been identified but not be available until the summer so the board may be calculating that changing manager to an interim doesn’t really help.

Second and I expect the bigger driver is Parish is calling OG’s bluff. It looks to many observers (including neutral ones) that this is a case of OG trying to get fired. Parish is saying nope, you own this, we are not playing your game. Your job is to get results and if you can’t then good luck getting that big job you want. With Sarr and Munoz back most of OG’s excuses for our awful form disappear and then it is on him. Basically Parish saying you aren’t going to play me.

If results stay bad and we lose on Saturday, at Forest and then at Brighton I think OG will have to go based on results. But then the narrative is OG got fired for poor results not as some sort of principled stance. Quite a different story and one I don’t think OG will want.

This approach for Parish would clearly have been taken with him keeping an eye on the league table and recognizing the points gap between Palace and the bottom 3. Any closer and I think Glasner would have already had his marching orders.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

That would be pretty intimidating for Glasner having them surrounding him. I could see him walking before that ever happened though. Plus what would you do with all the season ticket holders that sit behind the dugouts, move them into Block E? It's never boring is it.

It's quite incredible how it has come to this so fast after winning the FA Cup and going on a 20 match unbeaten streak. Only Palace can implode like this. It does feel like the atmosphere has been poor for a while though, and a lot of that probably stems from the fact that we want people here that want to be here. Having demotivated players or a want away manager kills the mood. I think Parish has to pay him off now. He did deliver the FA Cup and the pay off won't be huge with just 4 months left on his contract surely.

His pay off would be about half the amount of one extra league place.

 

[Badger11]

That would be pretty intimidating for Glasner having them surrounding him. I could see him walking before that ever happened though. Plus what would you do with all the season ticket holders that sit behind the dugouts, move them into Block E? It's never boring is it.

It's quite incredible how it has come to this so fast after winning the FA Cup and going on a 20 match unbeaten streak. Only Palace can implode like this. It does feel like the atmosphere has been poor for a while though, and a lot of that probably stems from the fact that we want people here that want to be here. Having demotivated players or a want away manager kills the mood. I think Parish has to pay him off now. He did deliver the FA Cup and the pay off won't be huge with just 4 months left on his contract surely.

Or put him on gardening leave. There maybe a sacking clause which has an agreed amount greater than the rest of his contract.

For now I say let him get on with it.

 

[mileend]

‘The players tried everything to the end, they are leaving their heart on the pitch…I was looking at the bench just kids there….nobody with Premier League experience….if we make a substitution it’s just hope….for me I have to protect the players and they deserve that ….this is the feeling in the dressing room ….I’ve been telling the board this for months.’

Glasner’s words post Sunderland.

I may well be a lone voice , but I can’t disagree with a word of that
Surely he’s pointing out what most of you have been saying recently.
That you can’t go into Premier League games with weak benches comprising 2 goalkeepers , untried youngsters,no proven forwards, inexperienced players ( a less then fully fit Clyne is no game changer).
We also know he’s been telling the board this for months.

What is new is his statement that it’s the feeling in ‘the dressing room’ too i.e with the players so he’s reflecting their views.
Yes, he seemed emotional, but it’s often that point that truth emerges.
There’s obviously been a feeling of frustration there which has been building up for months.

In my view many are annoyed because he won’t sign a new contract with the club, which he is perfectly entitled to do.
And in the cold light of day it’s the right decision when the objectives of the manager and the ownership are so unaligned.

A bit selective in the quote. If that is all he said there'd be a very different debate on here.

Though the other side of it is that he did not rotate his squad enough. Always play the best team. No rest for the top 14 or so players. It proved unsustainable and left us short of experience when injuries struck and we lost Sarr to the AFCON.

If we had bulked up the squad with more players with lots of premier league experience in the summer it would have been expensive. The European rules on PSR are tighter than the Premier Leagues rules and by accounts we only just squeaked in. Presumably had we spent more we would have broken them.

 

[park the bus]

Glasner's team talk pre Chelsea game:

OG - "You are a great set of players and I know you'll want to go out and stuff Chelsea to prove to tight arse Parish that I am absolutely correct in all of my previous statements! Hmmm, except the on about having only kids on the bench I suppose, which although accurate, didn't have the effect I thought it might have had. Never mind, I'm leaving anyway, but do this just for me eh?"

Players (in unison) - "Tight arse Parish, tight arse Parish, rah rah rah!"

 

[taylors lovechild]

‘The players tried everything to the end, they are leaving their heart on the pitch…I was looking at the bench just kids there….nobody with Premier League experience….if we make a substitution it’s just hope….for me I have to protect the players and they deserve that ….this is the feeling in the dressing room ….I’ve been telling the board this for months.’

Glasner’s words post Sunderland.

I may well be a lone voice , but I can’t disagree with a word of that
Surely he’s pointing out what most of you have been saying recently.
That you can’t go into Premier League games with weak benches comprising 2 goalkeepers , untried youngsters,no proven forwards, inexperienced players ( a less then fully fit Clyne is no game changer).
We also know he’s been telling the board this for months.

What is new is his statement that it’s the feeling in ‘the dressing room’ too i.e with the players so he’s reflecting their views.
Yes, he seemed emotional, but it’s often that point that truth emerges.
There’s obviously been a feeling of frustration there which has been building up for months.

In my view many are annoyed because he won’t sign a new contract with the club, which he is perfectly entitled to do.
And in the cold light of day it’s the right decision when the objectives of the manager and the ownership are so unaligned.

Personally, I've always backed Glasner because you can't argue with the success he brought us, but the fans were clearly shell-shocked with the announcements on Friday so to then have an outburst when he's already made it clear he's leaving seemed at best ill-advised and at worst self-preservation tactics. Talking about himself in the third person was also very odd. It's a real shame as all he really had to do was quietly see out his contract, like Iraola and Silva may well be doing at their respective clubs.

 

[elgin eeagle]

His pay off would be about half the amount of one extra league place.

I read on here the other day that Doucoure is being paid 3.94 million a year. Does that sound about right to you? It always amazes me that the club is able to pay these huge wages to players for very little in return sometimes. I guess it shows the value of having a good director of football and scouts. It probably sticks in Parishes craw to pay a manager off, it probably sticks in every Chairman's craw to do it, but at least Glasner has delivered.

Without knowing what face to face discussions have taken place its difficult to know. Glasner hasn't exactly endeared himself to us lately, but equally you can understand some of his frustration as he is a winner. As you correctly say, in the great scheme of things, half a position in compo isn't a fortune compared to what Spurs would have to pay say to sack Frank. Perhaps who we want isn't available till the summer?

 

[Teddy Eagle]

I read on here the other day that Doucoure is being paid 3.94 million a year. Does that sound about right to you? It always amazes me that the club is able to pay these huge wages to players for very little in return sometimes. I guess it shows the value of having a good director of football and scouts. It probably sticks in Parishes craw to pay a manager off, it probably sticks in every Chairman's craw to do it, but at least Glasner has delivered.

Without knowing what face to face discussions have taken place its difficult to know. Glasner hasn't exactly endeared himself to us lately, but equally you can understand some of his frustration as he is a winner. As you correctly say, in the great scheme of things, half a position in compo isn't a fortune compared to what Spurs would have to pay say to sack Frank. Perhaps who we want isn't available till the summer?

According to this site it's about right. Football is such a strange business when we've had Nketiah on about the same wages as Mateta and Guehi combined.
Managers often seem to get as well rewarded for failure as success. And then often walk into another job anyway.

https://www.spotrac.com/epl/crystal-palace/payroll

 

[elgin eeagle]

Or put him on gardening leave. There maybe a sacking clause which has an agreed amount greater than the rest of his contract.

For now I say let him get on with it.

Yeah I don't think gardening leave is fair in his case. He finally delivered us silverware after 120 years after all. It's hugely disappointing to everyone that we couldn't continue to grow as a club following that, but it isn't the Palace way is it!

Eze and Guehi were probably always both leaving anyway unless our billionaires spent in the summer and offered them the possibility of Champions League, but maybe they were unable to like Newcastles. Seems only Man City are allowed to spend £425 in 12 months without punishment.