Reform

Spindle said:
I've had years of your type on Brexshit. The data is there if it wasn't obvious enough with the stories on people and business. I'm not interested in some tit for tat of who lied most in their predictions, only wtf has happened.

You lot are yet to show a Brexit win, and your argument here has split away from the graph you posted which you still uphold but cannot explain.
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Brexit was betrayed.

But we can't control immigration and do what we need to do without being free from the liberal order.

It's going to be hard enough as it is.....Because much of our elite class is complicit in our destruction.
 
Spindle said:
I've had years of your type on Brexshit. The data is there if it wasn't obvious enough with the stories on people and business. I'm not interested in some tit for tat of who lied most in their predictions, only wtf has happened.

You lot are yet to show a Brexit win, and your argument here has split away from the graph you posted which you still uphold but cannot explain.
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If you can't elect the people that make the laws that govern you, then you don't live in a democracy. I voted Leave primarily because I wanted to live in a democracy.
 
Spindle said:
Not really. You uphold Poland for having their borders in check, as do I. Tusk was derided by Brexshitters too, yet they are in the EU.

Explain that.
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Well, we had a referendum and Remain lost.
 
Matov said:
I actually would cheer on the 'normies' voting to keep Reform out because it will create so much anger and frustration that people might be willing to actually cross all sorts of lines they ain't willing to at the moment I get the smug Soc.lib daisy chain chortling should such a thing happen would be vomit inducing but I would very much suggest it a case of being careful what you wish for.

Reform are not for me. Turning into just another part of the Uniparty system with todays announcement further proof of that. But if you lefties all band together just to keep Reform out then the anger they are currently being used to diffuse does not go away. Just becomes more intense. And then hopefully easier to direct towards the kind of change the likes of me want.
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Welfare collapse comes, at some stage, regardless of whether Reform are kept out or in.....it's just bedded into the system.

But if welfare collapse comes while Reform are in charge, at least the people paying the wages of the military (which will be called upon) aren't the people who hate you.....Unlike the social liberals and left.

There will be friend/enemy distinction.....just as you see it now with Starmer in charge.
 
Spindle said:
Not really. You uphold Poland for having their borders in check, as do I. Tusk was derided by Brexshitters too, yet they are in the EU.

Explain that.
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The main reason for it is that third worlders don't want to live in Poland....the living standards, existing communities and thus welfare system opportunities aren't there.

It isn't rocket science.

But to a limited extent they have already experienced the pride parades and third world immigration that comes with part of the package of being part of the EU. Poland has experienced it....people from there have raised alarms.

They just aren't targeted because the vast majority see far more juicer targets. But as things are going, unless people like Tusk are kicked out (and he only just squeezed in).....it's coming for them like it came for us.

Just as it's coming for Ukraine in a massive way.....which is why the potential for war in Ukraine exists far beyond their current one.
 
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I think it's important to join 'Restore', which is Lowe's non political party outfit.

If and when (and I think it's when) things go to pot you are going to want to know who to trust and where they are. Lowe is probably too old in five years time but Downes is young and very impressive......personally I see him as the guy.

But there are many others.....Don't be left on your own in the future.
 
Stirlingsays said:
Brexit was betrayed.

But we can't control immigration and do what we need to do without being free from the liberal order.

It's going to be hard enough as it is.....Because much of our elite class is complicit in our destruction.
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“Because much of our elite class is complicit in our destruction” yes… Farage, Aaron banks, Boris BJ Johnson, Rees-Mogg, plus so many many more were all in fact responsible for the nations biggest act of self-inflicted harm we have ever seen.
 
steeleye20 said:
Reform UK.

'A retirement home for disgraced former Conservative ministers" - after yet another former Tory MP joined the party.

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So first they were fascists, and now they are Tory retirees.

You seem confused. Not for the first time.
 
viapalace said:
“Because much of our elite class is complicit in our destruction” yes… Farage, Aaron banks, Boris BJ Johnson, Rees-Mogg, plus so many many more were all in fact responsible for the nations biggest act of self-inflicted harm we have ever seen.
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Up is down, left is right.
 
Brexit has not 'failed'. We voted to leave the EU and have left it. It was successful. Now has the most been made of the opportunities subsquently? Then perhaps not. But we have had an entire establishment do everything within its power, and I include the Tories in that, to not make that happen. Just our continued adherence in the ECHR obligations shows you that.

But let's not forget we were in the EU. The Leave campaign won. And we left the EU. Thats very much a success.
 
Stirlingsays said:
Brexit was betrayed.

But we can't control immigration and do what we need to do without being free from the liberal order.

It's going to be hard enough as it is.....Because much of our elite class is complicit in our destruction.
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I said it before and I'll say it again. You got exactly what you asked for, to leave. The ballot didn't have a how on it, only to just do it. So Boris did it how you all wanted anyway, with no deal.

Stop trying to blame your f*** up on the useless twats that were dumb enough to give the people a vote on it. Stupid prizes etc.
 
georgenorman said:
If you can't elect the people that make the laws that govern you, then you don't live in a democracy. I voted Leave primarily because I wanted to live in a democracy.
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You do. You vote in a manifesto from a party by voting for a representative for your area.

What kind of bellend wants to vote in all of the laws as a nation? What a stupid idea.
 
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